GOP impounding PA voting machines

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

From yesterdays election so they can do a recount. I would think the recount would have to be done by an impartial entity. Is it even possible to find impartiality in todays polarization? What would prevent GOP from altering votes?

[tallguy]

The GOP does not take physical possession of the machines in the event of a recount.  It is done by election officials.  

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Thanks for the clarification,

[kadee79]

This is a quote from a Pa. resident on another board....

"Not a state-wide election. Recounts are not done.

The machines go through three validations.



That election is over. Some absentees are still out. Must be in by Tues. Not enough votes to matter (most are military)."

So the GOP are most likely out of luck with this one.

I just hope to heck that someone beats the pants off Paul Ryan...with his snooty attitude!

[tallguy]

Mar 15, 2018 22:19:25 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

This is a quote from a Pa. resident on another board....

"Not a state-wide election. Recounts are not done.

The machines go through three validations.



That election is over. Some absentees are still out. Must be in by Tues. Not enough votes to matter (most are military)."

So the GOP are most likely out of luck with this one.

I just hope to heck that someone beats the pants off Paul Ryan...with his snooty attitude!

That refers to automatic recounts based on vote margin.  They can still petition for a recount but they have to come up with three voters per precinct who must allege fraud.  They are currently trying to appeal to voters to do exactly that. 

[thyme4change]

I will bet someone $10 this gets turned and Saccone is declared the winner.

[bean29]

Mar 15, 2018 22:48:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 15, 2018 22:19:25 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

This is a quote from a Pa. resident on another board....

"Not a state-wide election. Recounts are not done.

The machines go through three validations.



That election is over. Some absentees are still out. Must be in by Tues. Not enough votes to matter (most are military)."

So the GOP are most likely out of luck with this one.

I just hope to heck that someone beats the pants off Paul Ryan...with his snooty attitude!

That refers to automatic recounts based on vote margin.  They can still petition for a recount but they have to come up with three voters per precinct who must allege fraud.  They are currently trying to appeal to voters to do exactly that. 

There really aren't that many precincts involved are there?  Just 4-5 if I remember correctly right?  There is no actual record of an individual's vote and how it was counted right?  So the 3 people are just saying I think my candidate should have won, so I think there was fraud involved and they get a recount?

[tallguy]

Mar 16, 2018 11:16:40 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Mar 15, 2018 22:48:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That refers to automatic recounts based on vote margin.  They can still petition for a recount but they have to come up with three voters per precinct who must allege fraud.  They are currently trying to appeal to voters to do exactly that. 

There really aren't that many precincts involved are there?  Just 4-5 if I remember correctly right?  There is no actual record of an individual's vote and how it was counted right?  So the 3 people are just saying I think my candidate should have won, so I think there was fraud involved and they get a recount?

The district was spread among four counties, but the number of precincts is 593.  My understanding from what I have read is that each precinct is considered separately and that a petition by three qualified voters would allow the opening of only that precinct's ballot box.  I have not verified that.

§ 3261. Opening ballot boxes upon petition of electors alleging fraud or error; deposit or bond


(a) Except as set forth in subsection (a.1), the court of common pleas, or a judge thereof, of the county in which any election district is located in which ballots were used, shall open the ballot box of such election district used at any general, municipal, special or primary election held therein, and cause the entire vote thereof to be correctly counted by persons designated by such court or judge, if three qualified electors of the election district shall file, as hereinafter provided, a petition duly verified by them, alleging that upon information which they consider reliable they believe that fraud or error, although not manifest on the general return of votes made therefrom, was committed in the computation of the votes cast for all offices or for any particular office or offices in such election district, or in the marking of the ballots, or otherwise in connection with such ballots. It shall not be necessary for the petitioners to specify in their petition the particular act of fraud or error which they believe to have been committed, nor to offer evidence to substantiate the allegations of their petition.

(a.1) In cases resulting from a recount or recanvass order by the Secretary of the Commonwealth under section 1404(g),1 all of the following apply:

(1) Upon petition under clause (2), Commonwealth Court shall:

(i) open the ballot box of each election district in which ballots were used at a general, municipal, special or primary election; and

(ii) cause the entire vote of the election district to be correctly counted by persons designated by the court.

(2) To obtain relief under clause (1):

(i) Three (3) qualified electors of a county must file a verified petition alleging that, upon information which they consider reliable, they believe that fraud or error, although not manifest on the general return of votes, was committed:

(A) in the computation of votes cast;

(B) in the marking of the ballots; or

(C) otherwise in connection with the ballots.

(ii) It is not necessary for the petitioners to specify in their petition the particular act of fraud or error which they believe to have been committed nor to offer evidence to substantiate the allegations of their petition.

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