Where is our lair, liar pants on fire list located?

[NastyWoman]

We can add another proven liar to the list. The list is long, growing longer, and should include check marks for stupid as well!

"Ben Carson and his wife 'picked out' $31,000 furniture set, new emails show

Carson and his aides have repeatedly claimed that the Hud secretary was not involved in the purchase, but emails contradicts that claim..."

Really if you feel the need to lie about $31k, is there anything you will tell the truth about?

www.yahoo.com/news/ben-carson-wife-apos-picked-124348270.html

[Tennesseer]

Lair, liar pants on fire is the new norm.

Carson was a better brain surgeon than a lair, liar.

[tallguy]

You don't have to add Carson to the list. He's been on it for a while.  From December 2015:

PolitiFact has found that the biggest liar of this election cycle so far is Ben Carson. Not a single one of Carson's 25 statements fact-checked by the site was judged to be true; only one was rated "mostly true," and just three "half true." Twenty-one of Carson's statements — a full 84 percent of those checked — were declared either mostly false, entirely false or "pants on fire," PolitiFact's designation for the most ludicrous lies.

Some of Carson's false statements represented an apparent loose grasp of history: For instance, he incorrectly claimed that Thomas Jefferson helped craft the Declaration of Independence and that none of the founding fathers had any elected experience. Others, though — like his incorrect claims about vaccines — constituted the kind of dangerous rhetoric a doctor really should know better about.

Donald Trump, who had three times as many statements fact-checked by PolitiFact, fared only slightly better than Carson: 76 percent of his remarks were rated either mostly or completely false. A whopping 16 Trump statements (22 percent) were called "pants on fire." And, like Carson, not a single one of Trump's assertions was judged to be true.

Who Is the Biggest Liar in the 2016 Election?

There was another chart we posted here during the campaign that showed similarly. As I recall, the only reason that Trump was in third behind Carson and Bachman was because he managed to say a couple of true things at the convention.

[tallguy]

Here it is.  

Look at who lies the most.

PolitiFact.com has been rating the truth of political statements since 2007. We grabbed the 2000 or so pages of people who had listed affiliations of Democrat, Independent, or Republican, kept only those who had at least 20 statements rated, ran a few python scripts, and produced this list of the ten most honest and most lying politicians. The “Honesty Index” is our invention (it’s the weighted average of how many truths and lies each person told) where 1.0 means they always told the total truth, and 0.0 means they only told pants-on-fire lies. “Percent Lies” is just that: what percentage of their statements were rated as Mostly False, False, or Pants On Fire.

The top ten honest and lying politicians




That’s right. The ten biggest liars in American politics are all Republican. In fact, 18 of the top 20 liars are Republican. On the other hand, only 2 of the top 10 most-honest politicians are Republican.

Until the last day of the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump was liar #1. He only moved to #3 because he told a few things in his acceptance speech that weren’t false. He still has the most pants-on-fire lies (33) of anyone PolitiFact follows.

So Republicans just nominated one of the most dishonest people in American politics as their candidate for President of the United States. Oh, and Mike Pence (the Republican VP candidate) is #20 on the biggest-liars list. That’s quite a ticket.

[OldCoyote]

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

[tallguy]

The end of that article:

Back to that question we asked. How do you feel when a lawmaker says something completely asinine or patently false? If you were elected to office, would you ever do that? If you’ve read this far, the answer if probably “hell no!”

We’re being flooded with articles from major news organizations with titles like Why Voters Don’t Seem to Care Whether Candidates Tell the Truth. Fact-checkers heads were exploding during the RNC last week. I actually heard a Republican lawmaker tell NPR that it was journalists’ job to fact check what he said, not his job to tell the truth (I so wish I could find that clip, but it was years ago).

On what planet is this ok Apparently right here.

Stop putting up with it. When you vote, you are a lawmaker for a day. Act like it. To paraphrase Gandhi, one of the greatest examples of how one person can change the world, be the change you want to see.

Don’t just believe something you hear because you like how it sounds. Verify it. Now that everyone has a smartphone, it’s really easy to do. Expect honesty. Deal in honesty. If your candidate lies, own it. And think long and hard about whether you want that kind of person in office.

Do you have friends who put up with these lying liars? Call them out for it. Tell them they are each individually responsible for the radical stupidizing of our entire political process. Shame them for each time they’ve blindly repeated one of these lies, turned a blind eye to blatant chicanery, or even worse, made excuses to justify why it’s ok.

One last question: How can you trust lawmakers to faithfully represent you if you can’t even trust them to be honest?

Stop letting them get away with it. Republicans and Democrats alike. Stop electing liars. Be the change you want to see.

[tallguy]

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

1.  Depending on what one's definition of "had sex with" is, that statement is arguable.

2.  At the time that Obama said that, it was true.  The ACA provided for the grandfathering of existing plans.  Once the plans were discontinued or changed by the insurance companies it then became untrue.  One can argue whether it was foreseeable that those plans would be changed or discontinued, but you cannot claim that the statement itself was untrue at the time it was made.  The ACA as written did allow people to keep their existing plans as long as they remained in force. 

Either way, you are merely attempting to distract from the fact that Carson and Trump in particular (and Republicans in general) are MUCH bigger liars than Obama or either of the Clintons could ever manage to be.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

Poor OC, having a bad couple of days it seems.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 14, 2018 22:26:13 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

1.  Depending on what one's definition of "had sex with" is, that statement is arguable.

2.  At the time that Obama said that, it was true.  The ACA provided for the grandfathering of existing plans.  Once the plans were discontinued or changed by the insurance companies it then became untrue.  One can argue whether it was foreseeable that those plans would be changed or discontinued, but you cannot claim that the statement itself was untrue at the time it was made.  The ACA as written did allow people to keep their existing plans as long as they remained in force. 

Either way, you are merely attempting to distract from the fact that Carson and Trump in particular (and Republicans in general) are MUCH bigger liars than Obama or either of the Clintons could ever manage to be.

^^This^^

It wasn't deliberate lying.
I heard people saying "My doctor hated Obamacare so much, he quit and retired! Obama said I could keep my doctor! He lied!"
Obama wasn't prescient.

[OldCoyote]

Mar 14, 2018 22:26:13 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

1.  Depending on what one's definition of "had sex with" is, that statement is arguable.

2.  At the time that Obama said that, it was true.  The ACA provided for the grandfathering of existing plans.  Once the plans were discontinued or changed by the insurance companies it then became untrue.  One can argue whether it was foreseeable that those plans would be changed or discontinued, but you cannot claim that the statement itself was untrue at the time it was made.  The ACA as written did allow people to keep their existing plans as long as they remained in force. 

Either way, you are merely attempting to distract from the fact that Carson and Trump in particular (and Republicans in general) are MUCH bigger liars than Obama or either of the Clintons could ever manage to be.

Sure!

[tallguy]

Mar 14, 2018 22:33:42 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 14, 2018 22:26:13 GMT -5 tallguy said:

1.  Depending on what one's definition of "had sex with" is, that statement is arguable.

2.  At the time that Obama said that, it was true.  The ACA provided for the grandfathering of existing plans.  Once the plans were discontinued or changed by the insurance companies it then became untrue.  One can argue whether it was foreseeable that those plans would be changed or discontinued, but you cannot claim that the statement itself was untrue at the time it was made.  The ACA as written did allow people to keep their existing plans as long as they remained in force. 

Either way, you are merely attempting to distract from the fact that Carson and Trump in particular (and Republicans in general) are MUCH bigger liars than Obama or either of the Clintons could ever manage to be.

Sure!

Glad you agree.  That is a big improvement for you.  Keep it up!   

[OldCoyote]

Doesn't it bother anyone but me,,, That they are all liars??

[tallguy]

Yes, very much.  That is why we should be trying to elect those who are more honest.  Like Hillary, Barack, and Bill.  Hillary's VP nominee was on the most honest list too. 

It is a given that sometimes politicians have to lie, or at least say things that are not exactly the whole truth.  We should at least try not to elect those who either enjoy or make a habit of it.  Like Trump, who does both of those.  And if it bothers you so much, why do you spend so much time and effort bashing the more honest ones and praising the big liars?  Seems odd.     
 

[NastyWoman]

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

Since that bothers you enough to bring this up, think about this: what does this say about the people you support?

[OldCoyote]

Mar 15, 2018 9:33:37 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Mar 14, 2018 22:14:17 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Oh boy.
Bill "I never had sex with that woman" Clinton.

Barack "you can keep your Dr". Obama

Since that bothers you enough to bring this up, think about this: what does this say about the people you support?

Check out post #11

[OldCoyote]

You all complain that I bring up Hillary, after all she is gone,,,,,, Maybe she should stay gone.
www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-says-trump-appealed-101852783.html

[NastyWoman]

You mean that if you lose an election, you lose your first amenment rights? I didn't know that. Thank you for setting me straight

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 15, 2018 9:58:32 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

You all complain that I bring up Hillary, after all she is gone,,,,,, Maybe she should stay gone.
www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-says-trump-appealed-101852783.html

She's not allowed to state the truth?  Are there any lies in what she says?

[happyhoix]

Lair, Liar - Trump says Lamb won in Pennsylvania because he's really a Republican and he likes Trump.

[happyhoix]

Lair, liar, Trump admitted he lied to Trudeau when he said we trade deficient with Canada - he admitted he didn't know if we did or not, he just said that. To the PM of Canada. Then bragged about it.

[NastyWoman]

dt must be ticked he was no longer at the top of the list so he is working hard to rectify that problem

[tallguy]

Given the sheer number of Trump's lies, not to even mention the magnitude or the ridiculousness of most of them, his status as the biggest liar in American political history is probably assured.  I guess he wants to put the record so far out of reach that it is never challenged.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 15, 2018 15:43:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Lair, liar, Trump admitted he lied to Trudeau when he said we trade deficient with Canada - he admitted he didn't know if we did or not, he just said that. To the PM of Canada. Then bragged about it.

During our trade negotiations, could we PLEASE speak to someone with a firm grasp of facts and figures, and not this clown who admitted he knows nothing?

[weltschmerz]

He's even lying about lying. His economic advisors told him that the US has a trade surplus with Canada. He chose to ignore them and continued to spew about how unfair Canada is being. It plays well to his base of troglodytes.

"Yeah! USA! USA! Make America Great Again! USA!"

[tallguy]

Mar 15, 2018 16:07:52 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 15, 2018 15:43:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Lair, liar, Trump admitted he lied to Trudeau when he said we trade deficient with Canada - he admitted he didn't know if we did or not, he just said that. To the PM of Canada. Then bragged about it.

During our trade negotiations, could we PLEASE speak to someone with a firm grasp of facts and figures, and not this clown who admitted he knows nothing?

No.  Competence is seemingly a disqualifier in Trump's administration.  It's possible he doesn't even know anyone honest, and those people he does choose to run agencies are either dedicated to destroying the agency they run or know nothing about the field.  Best bet would be to just ignore him if not break off diplomatic relations entirely.  Make it clear that relations will resume when adults are back in office.  Yes, it seems drastic, but what else can you do if it is impossible to either trust or respect the man who insists on making policy through impulse?  

[OldCoyote]

Mar 15, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 15, 2018 9:58:32 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

You all complain that I bring up Hillary, after all she is gone,,,,,, Maybe she should stay gone.
www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-says-trump-appealed-101852783.html

She's not allowed to state the truth?  Are there any lies in what she says?

Lets go back a little ways. As a retaliation post to offset a post that put up by someone with a different political view than mine.

I was told she is no longer involved , so I should leave her alone,   She still involves herself , she can say anything she wants,, It gives me more things to post.

[dezii]

Mar 15, 2018 22:56:43 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 15, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

She's not allowed to state the truth?  Are there any lies in what she says?

Lets go back a little ways. As a retaliation post to offset a post that put up by someone with a different political view than mine.

I was told she is no longer involved , so I should leave her alone,   She still involves herself , she can say anything she wants,, It gives me more things to post.

true.....and more for readers to ignore.....

[thyme4change]

Mar 15, 2018 22:56:43 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Mar 15, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

She's not allowed to state the truth?  Are there any lies in what she says?

Lets go back a little ways. As a retaliation post to offset a post that put up by someone with a different political view than mine.

I was told she is no longer involved , so I should leave her alone,   She still involves herself , she can say anything she wants,, It gives me more things to post.

She isn't involved in running the government. I'm not sure how involved she is with the DNC. But she is alive and giving speeches. That isn't necessarily "involved". A lot of people give speeches. Hillary's only power at this point is her speaking ability, and she is not a great speech maker, so even that is limited compared to other ex-politicians.

[Icelandic Woman]

Mar 15, 2018 16:34:54 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mar 15, 2018 16:07:52 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

During our trade negotiations, could we PLEASE speak to someone with a firm grasp of facts and figures, and not this clown who admitted he knows nothing?

No.  Competence is seemingly a disqualifier in Trump's administration.  It's possible he doesn't even know anyone honest, and those people he does choose to run agencies are either dedicated to destroying the agency they run or know nothing about the field.  Best bet would be to just ignore him if not break off diplomatic relations entirely.  Make it clear that relations will resume when adults are back in office.  Yes, it seems drastic, but what else can you do if it is impossible to either trust or respect the man who insists on making policy through impulse?  

So much!!! And as you said in another thread Morons Are Governing America!

[OldCoyote]

Mar 16, 2018 13:44:08 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Mar 15, 2018 22:56:43 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Lets go back a little ways. As a retaliation post to offset a post that put up by someone with a different political view than mine.

I was told she is no longer involved , so I should leave her alone,   She still involves herself , she can say anything she wants,, It gives me more things to post.

She isn't involved in running the government. I'm not sure how involved she is with the DNC. But she is alive and giving speeches. That isn't necessarily "involved". A lot of people give speeches. Hillary's only power at this point is her speaking ability, and she is not a great speech maker, so even that is limited compared to other ex-politicians.

Did you see the latest fall?? In the shower fractured hand ,,,, Or something like that.

How about her latest speech on 396th reason she lost ,,,, and it was not her fault.