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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2018 15:27:31 GMT -5
All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy. Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns. BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite. PS: I also have a conceal carry permit Who exactly would you be spiting? You car, by putting an ugly sticker on it?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 1, 2018 15:51:54 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. Well you have to be 21 to purchase a beer. I have to be 21 to go to the casinos in town. I can't be trusted to drink booze responsibly or stick a coin in a slot machine but I can be trusted with a deadly firearm at the age of 18 no problem-o. I'm not against buying guns if you are 18 I'm just saying our decisions regarding age limits is pretty arbitrary.
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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2018 15:54:14 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. Well you have to be 21 to purchase a beer. I have to be 21 to go to the casinos in town. I can't be trusted to drink booze responsibly or stick a coin in a slot machine but I can be trusted with a deadly firearm at the age of 18 no problem-o. I'm not against buying guns if you are 18 I'm just saying our decisions regarding age limits is pretty arbitrary. Not to mention women don't have to register for the draft at all. So should they never be allowed to buy guns?
And when is the last time anyone actually got drafted??
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Mar 1, 2018 15:55:57 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. Well you have to be 21 to purchase a beer. I have to be 21 to go to the casinos in town. I can't be trusted to drink booze responsibly or stick a coin in a slot machine but I can be trusted with a deadly firearm at the age of 18 no problem-o. I'm not against buying guns if you are 18 I'm just saying our decisions regarding age limits is pretty arbitrary. Absolutely agree. You can go out and fight battles and kill people but when you get leave and come home, you can't have a beer. Stupid.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 1, 2018 16:01:36 GMT -5
1960's deja vu You could get drafted but not vote or buy a beer. Uncle Sam would give you a gun.
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Post by imawino on Mar 1, 2018 16:11:47 GMT -5
Well you have to be 21 to purchase a beer. I have to be 21 to go to the casinos in town. I can't be trusted to drink booze responsibly or stick a coin in a slot machine but I can be trusted with a deadly firearm at the age of 18 no problem-o. I'm not against buying guns if you are 18 I'm just saying our decisions regarding age limits is pretty arbitrary. Absolutely agree. You can go out and fight battles and kill people but when you get leave and come home, you can't have a beer. Stupid. To be fair, when you leave and come home you also have to stop killing people.
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Post by dezii on Mar 1, 2018 16:43:00 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. No....not true...Once in the military , they will train u in weaponary...many kinds depending on what your MOS is....get u mentally and physically fit..job of the NCO's...to train young men[or woman] in how to kill other young men... n
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Post by dezii on Mar 1, 2018 16:46:12 GMT -5
Absolutely agree. You can go out and fight battles and kill people but when you get leave and come home, you can't have a beer. Stupid. To be fair, when you leave and come home you also have to stop killing people. that was true in ww2 too...
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 1, 2018 19:29:27 GMT -5
I'd be okay with 18 year olds buying guns if you had to have a weaponry license, like a drivers license, that shows there has been training, and maybe a cursory assessment of emotional health. If the license is renewed every few years, even better. Then at least we know they demonstrated some level of responsibility to get there, and buying a gun wasn't a lark.
I also would like to see a national standard of "red flag laws." They have them in some states, but not in Florida, so even though there were many flags on the Parkland kid, there was no legal path to stop him. I don't like the way Trump put it, but this wouldn't be the only type of situation that we have a low standard for due process to preserve public safety
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 2, 2018 10:28:57 GMT -5
I am going to point out again, Before Clinton's gun ban, there were thousands of gun selling or buying people that had a Federal firearms license, that was used for buying and selling guns.
I applied for one so I could buy guns wholesale. you had paperwork that was filled out with who bought and sold the gun tracking s/n's.
Clinton came along ,, there are too many people selling guns,,, we only want "big" operations selling guns,,, took away tons of the small gun sellers and buyers paperwork..
This created the unlicensed guns sellers that you all complain about..
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 2, 2018 13:02:33 GMT -5
I am going to point out again, Before Clinton's gun ban, there were thousands of gun selling or buying people that had a Federal firearms license, that was used for buying and selling guns. I applied for one so I could buy guns wholesale. you had paperwork that was filled out with who bought and sold the gun tracking s/n's. Clinton came along ,, there are too many people selling guns,,, we only want "big" operations selling guns,,, took away tons of the small gun sellers and buyers paperwork.. This created the unlicensed guns sellers that you all complain about.. Sooo ... are you saying that when people whose firearms licenses had been rescinded broke the law and continued to sell guns it was Clinton's fault? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:33:06 GMT -5
Instead of being snarky, you could have educated members on how people are misinformed about "assault-style" weapons. Your snarky response prompted me to search for understanding. Maybe that was what you hoped people would do, so whatever. This is what I learned: A semi-automatic weapon holds a bullet magazine with 30 rounds and fires every time the trigger is pulled. An AR-15 can can be modified or customized in a variety of ways, one of which is the addition of a bump stock which alters the weapon to function as an automatic weapon, firing bullets with a single pull of the trigger. I don't know if there are other semi-automatic weapons that have the same capability to be modified. The Parkland shooter did not have a bump stock from the articles I have read. An automatic weapon will fire all 30 rounds with a single pull of the trigger. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/02/difference-between-automatic-and-semi-automatic-we/An assault weapon is fully automatic, a machine gun. These have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. www.nssf.org/msr/If I have not interpreted the above information correctly, please help me better understand. Quote; An assault rifle by its true definition is a select fire weapon capable of full auto function. For example, an M-16 can, with one trigger pull, fire either single-shot, multiple shot or full-auto.
www.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_legal_assault_rifleQuote; The terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are often confused.
According to Bruce Kobayashi and Joseph Olsen in the Stanford Law and Policy Review:
"Prior to 1989, the term "assault weapon" did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of "assault rifles".
The above picture is an M4A1 carbine which is a fully automatic U.S. military service rifle. It is an assault rifle. The M4A1 and other fully automatic firearms are also called machine guns. These are highly restricted and the sale or transfer of new machine guns to civilians was banned many years ago. Let me repeat that...assault rifles are already banned.
The majority of firearms sold in the U.S. are semi-automatic, which means it fires one round each time the trigger is pulled. This is a picture of an AR-15 which is a semi-automatic rifle and an example of what are sometimes referred to as an assault weapon:
It functions exactly like this shotgun:
What's the difference? Perception.
In a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, they state that "the weapon's menacing looks , coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns vs. semi-automatic assault weapons, anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun which will increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." www.quora.com/What-is-the-legal-definition-of-assault-weaponBump stocks can work on any semi auto rifle. It's a spring loaded device that quickly returns the rifle to it's original pre-recoil position while you're holding it. Re-pulling the trigger as you leave your finger on the trigger. It will fire as fast as the return motion and semi-auto mechanism can operate. Any rifle can be modified for looks. You'll need the last link to see the pictures as described. I hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:45:35 GMT -5
I can't wait for the lawsuit when 18 yo kids sue. That only works if you're a baker that refuses to make cakes for gay weddings. Refuse to sell guns to legal customers, that's OK. There is an inherent difference ya know.
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Post by retread on Mar 2, 2018 14:57:45 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. Interesting question. As you probably know, it's still mandatory to register for the draft even though there hasn't actaully been a draft for over forty years. Putting 'fairness' aside, there would be a considerable difference between an eighteen year old civilian being able to buy a firearm and a draftee being issued a weapon by the military. There is extensive medical and psychological screening which occurs in the military. Also, there are more people in the military who aren't issued weapons than those who are. Generally ALL military members do receive weapons training, but in a controlled environment. The firearms they use are issued for the day, not a permanent issue. Of course infantry and similar specialties require a 'permanent' weapons issue. But most specialties do not, unless deployed to potential combat zones. So it does tend to be sort of an apples/oranges thing.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 3, 2018 9:40:47 GMT -5
I am going to point out again, Before Clinton's gun ban, there were thousands of gun selling or buying people that had a Federal firearms license, that was used for buying and selling guns. I applied for one so I could buy guns wholesale. you had paperwork that was filled out with who bought and sold the gun tracking s/n's. Clinton came along ,, there are too many people selling guns,,, we only want "big" operations selling guns,,, took away tons of the small gun sellers and buyers paperwork.. This created the unlicensed guns sellers that you all complain about.. Sooo ... are you saying that when people whose firearms licenses had been rescinded broke the law and continued to sell guns it was Clinton's fault? Really? They didn't break the law, If Clinton had not decided to kick out the small dealers, It would not have created this part of the business.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 3, 2018 10:37:04 GMT -5
well, if you know anything about firearms you don't buy from dick's, bass pro, cabela's anyway... Last gun I bought was from Lone Wolf Guns and Ammo, Why because he was $50.00 cheaper than Carbela's, The other reason the owner of Lone Wolf Is the person that testified against the people at the Head of the AZ ATF, that was responsible for "Fast and Furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here he a upstanding lawful person Doing the right thing, On the other hand We have the Heads of the ATF that caused the deaths of at lest 350 Mexican citizens, and two Americans,,, WOOOOPY DOOOO, they were allowed to retire ,,, When they should be serving LIFE SENTENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dezii on Mar 3, 2018 12:10:34 GMT -5
well, if you know anything about firearms you don't buy from dick's, bass pro, cabela's anyway... I would uess that the retailers u mentioned...firearm sales, ammunition sales, gun accessories sales amount in the hundreds of millions....don't discount them... Small shops might give more personal service...also gun shows too...possible able to bargain a bit on price...but suggest big box retailers still account for bulk of sales..
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 3, 2018 12:25:09 GMT -5
I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right?
I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent. Interesting question. As you probably know, it's still mandatory to register for the draft even though there hasn't actaully been a draft for over forty years. Putting 'fairness' aside, there would be a considerable difference between an eighteen year old civilian being able to buy a firearm and a draftee being issued a weapon by the military. There is extensive medical and psychological screening which occurs in the military. Also, there are more people in the military who aren't issued weapons than those who are. Generally ALL military members do receive weapons training, but in a controlled environment. The firearms they use are issued for the day, not a permanent issue. Of course infantry and similar specialties require a 'permanent' weapons issue. But most specialties do not, unless deployed to potential combat zones. So it does tend to be sort of an apples/oranges thing. My son spent over 20 yrs. in the Navy & never touched a gun...no training in firearms what so ever! But there were lots of other things he could do.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 3, 2018 12:37:17 GMT -5
I spent 26 years in the Navy and never touched a gun.
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Post by ktunes on Mar 4, 2018 2:25:14 GMT -5
well, if you know anything about firearms you don't buy from dick's, bass pro, cabela's anyway... I would uess that the retailers u mentioned...firearm sales, ammunition sales, gun accessories sales amount in the hundreds of millions....don't discount them... Small shops might give more personal service...also gun shows too...possible able to bargain a bit on price...but suggest big box retailers still account for bulk of sales.. the stores mentioned above usually charge full retail price...i guess i have seen a sale now and then but it is usually an accessory item like a red dot sight...they may have a sale on actual firearms at times but i competitive shop, like i do any other product, and most firearms can be bought for considerable less than full retail... and yes, they sell their share, i'm sure...
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 4, 2018 18:28:06 GMT -5
Wal-Mart and Dicks are the largest retailer of guns and ammo. Hard to compete with that many locations. But, they still only represent 3500 stores out of 60,000 retailers that sell new guns. That doesn't include sales of used guns via private parties, resale shops, shows, etc.
The move probably won't make a dent in any gun statistics.
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Post by dezii on Mar 5, 2018 14:29:38 GMT -5
Quick google.... " The navy does do firearms training in boot camp, just enough to familiarize you with the weapon. As you go to the fleet and stand watches you will be qualified in the weapons that you need to know how to use. The 45 cal pistol, [ today different 9 mm pistols] shotgun, 50 cal machine gun, and others. If you go to a rate that is weapons oriented such as gunners mate you will be qualified in all sorts of weapons up through missiles as they have gunners mate-guns and gunners mate-missiles. SEALS are trained to be proficient in several weapons as that is part of their training and specialty. Other weapons specialists are AOs and TMs (now MMs on subs). But the navy as a whole will not train on weapons as the Marines and Army does.
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Post by dezii on Mar 5, 2018 14:41:19 GMT -5
Wal-Mart and Dicks are the largest retailer of guns and ammo. Hard to compete with that many locations. But, they still only represent 3500 stores out of 60,000 retailers that sell new guns. That doesn't include sales of used guns via private parties, resale shops, shows, etc. The move probably won't make a dent in any gun statistics. I haven't checked it out but supposedly, from what I have read...web sites that cater to the crazies...my definition...jihadists, terrorists, Isis and the Natzi and hate groups among us...suggest those looking to acquire weapons, for those folks, they should go to the gun shows...look and act like normal folks who are just interested in weapons...home protection, , sport shooting, hunting... little to none of back ground checks...just folks looking to make a profit in selling what they offer...more interested in making sales... Between u and I, those type of outlets should be closely monitored IMHO.....All sales should go through back ground checks which will most likely necessitate a mandatory waiting period..second amendments rights still up held...amendment says nothing about a person guaranteed immediate satisfaction in acquiring a weapon, fire arm...I know, I reread the amendment twice..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:22:34 GMT -5
Quick google.... " The navy does do firearms training in boot camp, just enough to familiarize you with the weapon. As you go to the fleet and stand watches you will be qualified in the weapons that you need to know how to use. The 45 cal pistol, [ today different 9 mm pistols] shotgun, 50 cal machine gun, and others. If you go to a rate that is weapons oriented such as gunners mate you will be qualified in all sorts of weapons up through missiles as they have gunners mate-guns and gunners mate-missiles. SEALS are trained to be proficient in several weapons as that is part of their training and specialty. Other weapons specialists are AOs and TMs (now MMs on subs). But the navy as a whole will not train on weapons as the Marines and Army does. Agree. I was just referencing the navy in general. I was aware of the special forces within, that do engage in closer quarters combat. They will be trained as you posted.
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