Dick's Sporting Goods to quit selling....

[kadee79]

One of the nation’s largest sports retailers, Dick’s Sporting Goods, said Wednesday morning it was immediately ending sales of all assault-style rifles in its stores.

The retailer also said that it would no longer sell high-capacity magazines and that it would not sell any gun to anyone under 21 years of age, regardless of local laws.



The announcement, made two weeks after the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., that killed 17 students and staff members, is one of the strongest stances taken by corporate America in the national gun debate. It also carries symbolic weight, coming from a prominent national gun seller.



Late last week, after coming under attack on social media for their ties to the National Rifle Association, a number of major companies, including Hertz car rental, MetLife insurance and Delta Air Lines, publicly ended those relationships, issuing brief, carefully phrased statements.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/dick’s-major-gun-retailer-will-stop-selling-assault-style-rifles/ar-BBJH5w6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[Opti]

I like that they will stop selling assault type rifles. However, since 68% of all guns used in school shootings are obtained legally by a kid's parent or relative, I don't think the age thing will change much at all.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 28, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

I like that they will stop selling assault type rifles. However, since 68% of all guns used in school shootings are obtained legally by a kid's parent or relative, I don't think the age thing will change much at all.

That may be true but we have to start somewhere, and this is a start

[kadee79]

It is a start & it may well encourage other stores to do the same.   

[justme]

In the article I read it said bass pro is now the only national chain that still sells them.

[Shooby]

An assault "STYLE" rifle is just a rifle that looks different than a long hunting rifle that does the same exact thing.  But, I guess it appears to be "doing something" so there ya go.

[Shooby]

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 28, 2018 13:13:48 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Instead of being snarky, you could have educated members on how people are misinformed about "assault-style" weapons. Your snarky response prompted me to search for understanding. Maybe that was what you hoped people would do, so whatever. This is what I learned:

A semi-automatic weapon holds a bullet magazine with 30 rounds and fires every time the trigger is pulled. An AR-15 can can be modified or customized in a variety of ways, one of which is the addition of a bump stock which alters the weapon to function as an automatic weapon, firing bullets with a single pull of the trigger. I don't know if there are other semi-automatic weapons that have the same capability to be modified. The Parkland shooter did not have a bump stock from the articles I have read.


An automatic weapon will fire all 30 rounds with a single pull of the trigger.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/02/difference-between-automatic-and-semi-automatic-we/

An assault weapon is fully automatic, a machine gun. These have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. 

www.nssf.org/msr/

If I have not interpreted the above information correctly, please help me better understand.

[Shooby]

  I am not being 'snarky".  I am saying that Assault STYLE is just a style.  That the nuts and bolts are the same.  But the AR 15 looks scary versus a hunting rifle though you can accomplish the same carnage with either one in the exact same fashion.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 28, 2018 14:11:26 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I am not being 'snarky".  I am saying that Assault STYLE is just a style.  That the nuts and bolts are the same.  But the AR 15 looks scary versus a hunting rifle though you can accomplish the same carnage with either one in the exact same fashion.

Perhaps you didn't intend to be, however that is how it comes off. You are right, the AR-15 does look a lot scarier than a hunting rifle. It would have been simple to indicate (even though you attached an image saying so) the fact that both do the same thing. The image is kind of flip in it's description so kind of off-putting and negative to readers that don't have a full understanding of the topic. 

[Blonde Granny]

All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy.

Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns.


BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite.

PS: I also have a conceal carry permit

[mollyanna58]

Feb 28, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy.

Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns.


BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite.

PS: I also have a conceal carry permit

But do you see a need to buy an AR 15? 

[Blonde Granny]

Feb 28, 2018 14:47:48 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Feb 28, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy.

Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns.


BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite.

PS: I also have a conceal carry permit

But do you see a need to buy an AR 15? 

Not for me, but no one is going to succeed  anything by banning them.  As I said...nice war on drugs we had, huh?

[dezii]

Feb 28, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5 Opti said:

I like that they will stop selling assault type rifles. However, since 68% of all guns used in school shootings are obtained legally by a kid's parent or relative, I don't think the age thing will change much at all.

May or may not...hey, estimated over 300 million weapons in private hands in USA...but any start is a good one..and if only one shooter discouraged from obtaining in my life time...it's a good thing...

Just bt examining other modern countries..modern meaning the haves , not the have nots...there is no comparison between civilian deaths for any reason between us and them...to the point of when I watch the spokes folks for NRA and second amendment  any type of weapon is ok...want to have some one walk up and slap them silly.

Latest blurb, was going tp post but changed my mind..A Alaskan Congressman, in his 80's, claiming if fire arms, hand guns where available when  the German Jews were being rounded up..That would probably stop the Holocaust from happening.....Final Solution decided and came about in 1941 under direction of Hydrich with the push from Hitler..

There were estimated 219 thousand Jews left in Germany when roundups began in Germany, those who didn't have means to leave or for what ever hadn't...

Fire arms in private hands not a popular thing in Europe then or now..plus Jews as a group, not really into hunting and such..then or now..., the professional armies of France, Poland, Checkoslavakia, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium destroyed...Russia million dead in their Armies, almost destroyed and defeated.....and this character claiming some civilian weapons would have stopped the German Holocaust...[sheesh]...Anything to build up NRA  ideas...even ignorant and stupid ones and so many believe it.

[dezii]

Feb 28, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy.

Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns.


BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite.

PS: I also have a conceal carry permit

I am curious....can I ask what u paid for the two hand guns? Did u take lessons for them and if so, cost and cost of ammunition, per box...estimating 25 round per box..?

[cktc]

Feb 28, 2018 14:11:26 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  I am not being 'snarky".  I am saying that Assault STYLE is just a style.  That the nuts and bolts are the same.  But the AR 15 looks scary versus a hunting rifle though you can accomplish the same carnage with either one in the exact same fashion.

I wonder if the assault style is preferred for look or price. I wouldn't discount the effect of removing scary "looking" weapons either way. Intimidation isn't really the goal if people are buying these for hunting.

[dezii]

Feb 28, 2018 14:07:12 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Feb 28, 2018 13:13:48 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Instead of being snarky, you could have educated members on how people are misinformed about "assault-style" weapons. Your snarky response prompted me to search for understanding. Maybe that was what you hoped people would do, so whatever. This is what I learned:

A semi-automatic weapon holds a bullet magazine with 30 rounds and fires every time the trigger is pulled. An AR-15 can can be modified or customized in a variety of ways, one of which is the addition of a bump stock which alters the weapon to function as an automatic weapon, firing bullets with a single pull of the trigger. I don't know if there are other semi-automatic weapons that have the same capability to be modified. The Parkland shooter did not have a bump stock from the articles I have read.


An automatic weapon will fire all 30 rounds with a single pull of the trigger.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/02/difference-between-automatic-and-semi-automatic-we/

An assault weapon is fully automatic, a machine gun. These have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. 

www.nssf.org/msr/

If I have not interpreted the above information correctly, please help me better understand.

Newest rifle of choice for US military...Marines too, is the M4 Carbine...newer model coming is M4A1...M4 did away with auto fire...instead had three round burst...newer model is phasing in the auto fire feature but heavier barrel so can withstand wear and heat of auto fire...also new round being developed to penetrate body armor, do more damage once penetrate a body...also weapon looks similar to heavy light MG so enemy doesn't concentrate fire on one carrying the most dangerouse weapon...MG..auto fire weapons...

These weapons, old and new, one function only...suppress enemy encountered...kill them...no sporting features ...not intended or needed to have in hands of civiliens...

[NastyWoman]

Feb 28, 2018 15:27:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I sent an email to Dick's thanking them.  I also indicated my intent to continue to buy my sporting goods at Dick's.  Granted, I use a lot more golf balls than ammunition, because I don't fire my 22 in 30 round bursts.


Thank You Dick's!  Now, Brass Pro Shops/ Cabelas, step up!

That and a boycott of companies that won't commit to being part of the solution is where the power of this action by Dick's resides.  The only lanuage quite a few people/businesses understand is $$$

[dezii]

Feb 28, 2018 15:43:42 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Feb 28, 2018 15:27:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I sent an email to Dick's thanking them.  I also indicated my intent to continue to buy my sporting goods at Dick's.  Granted, I use a lot more golf balls than ammunition, because I don't fire my 22 in 30 round bursts.


Thank You Dick's!  Now, Brass Pro Shops/ Cabelas, step up!

That and a boycott of companies that won't commit to being part of the sloution is where the power of this action by Dick's resides.  The only lanuage quite a few people/businesses understand is $$$

Message of $$$$ is quite a powerful one...just ask our Donald, it seems what he is all about and what he feels the country is or should be all about or at least the most paramount feature of...[not sure how he feels about son in law having a 1.2 billion dollar loss in his business though..[sigh]..]

[kadee79]

Walmart has also upped their age limit for gun purchases to 21.  They are doing some other things too like removing toys that look like assault style guns.....maybe some little kid won't get killed now if all stores did that....you know, shot by a cop who thought he had a real gun.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 28, 2018 23:39:55 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Walmart has also upped their age limit for gun purchases to 21.  They are doing some other things too like removing toys that look like assault style guns.....maybe some little kid won't get killed now if all stores did that....you know, shot by a cop who thought he had a real gun.

Baby steps are steps too 

[ktunes]

well, if you know anything about firearms you don't buy from dick's, bass pro, cabela's anyway...

[Blonde Granny]

Feb 28, 2018 15:19:34 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 28, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

All types of fire arms can be banned, age limits set, etc. All someone determined to buy a gun has to do is go to a street corner in a bad part of town, flash some $100 bills around and walk away with whatever he/she wants to buy.

Just like with drugs, we can have all the laws you want, it's not going to change anything. People get their drugs and people will get their guns.


BG: proud owner of a Walther .380 and Glock 43. And I just might join the NRA and slap a sticker on my car just for spite.

PS: I also have a conceal carry permit

I am curious....can I ask what u paid for the two hand guns? Did u take lessons for them and if so, cost and cost of ammunition, per box...estimating 25 round per box..?

The Walther was purchased by my late DH, so I have an idea it was about $350.  The Glock 43 was $650.  I buy ammo recommended by one of the police officers I work with, so only buy the good stuff.  For the .380 a box of 50 runs about $20, the hollow points for Glock run about $30 for 20-30 of them.  I spent $275 for an unlimited use of the gun range, the conceal permit was $70 for the class and the state charge was $95 since I am a senior citizen.  Full price for others is $150.

Yes I took lessons on both guns from a certified instructor.  In order to qualify for a conceal carry permit I had to pass the FBI fingerprint test and also an FBI background test.  I had already had both when I went to work at the VA as a volunteer, so not a big deal.

on edit: All guns that have been purchased, not only by late DH and also me have not come from one of the big box stores.  We buy locally from a locally owned sporting goods store.  My ammunition is purchased @ Walmart.

Another edit: My carry is the Glock 9MM.  It's smaller than the Walther which is why I liked it.

[zibazinski]

Same here. I wanted to be able to test any gun I bought. At a firearm store you can rent a few different kinds. I got a Smith. DH got a Glock and kept teasing me about having Glock envy. My carry is a Sig.

[dezii]

Mar 1, 2018 8:10:05 GMT -5 Blonde Granny said:

Feb 28, 2018 15:19:34 GMT -5 dezii said:

I am curious....can I ask what u paid for the two hand guns? Did u take lessons for them and if so, cost and cost of ammunition, per box...estimating 25 round per box..?

The Walther was purchased by my late DH, so I have an idea it was about $350.  The Glock 43 was $650.  I buy ammo recommended by one of the police officers I work with, so only buy the good stuff.  For the .380 a box of 50 runs about $20, the hollow points for Glock run about $30 for 20-30 of them.  I spent $275 for an unlimited use of the gun range, the conceal permit was $70 for the class and the state charge was $95 since I am a senior citizen.  Full price for others is $150.

Yes I took lessons on both guns from a certified instructor.  In order to qualify for a conceal carry permit I had to pass the FBI fingerprint test and also an FBI background test.  I had already had both when I went to work at the VA as a volunteer, so not a big deal.

on edit: All guns that have been purchased, not only by late DH and also me have not come from one of the big box stores.  We buy locally from a locally owned sporting goods store.  My ammunition is purchased @ Walmart.

Another edit: My carry is the Glock 9MM.  It's smaller than the Walther which is why I liked it.

Thanks for the answer. 

For those who decide to carry legally...not me at this time in my life..I understand....and if makes one feel safer, especially the ladies among us, so be it ...but will warn u....and been there, done that...there is consequences for so many who do use these weapons...and it does not have to be long exposures...
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[Bluerobin]

I can't wait for the lawsuit when 18 yo kids sue. 

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

I was 18 when WI raised the drinking age from 18 to 21. I don't recall kids suing for that. 

21 is the legal age an individual can buy and drink alcohol. People under 21 are still drinking.

The proposed change is the legal age a person can BUY firearms. I don't see that there is a limit on an 18 year old USING a firearm. 

[dezii]

Mar 1, 2018 13:56:44 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

I was 18 when WI raised the drinking age from 18 to 21. I don't recall kids suing for that. 

21 is the legal age an individual can buy and drink alcohol. People under 21 are still drinking.

The proposed change is the legal age a person can BUY firearms. I don't see that there is a limit on an 18 year old USING a firearm. 

Being a senior , senior...I remember when New York dropped the drinking legal age from 21 to 18...Remember, living in Ct and driving to Maxells in White Plains to party...a German Style Beer Joint...they would serve Beer in Steins...periodically drop a pull down sign with song lyrics...beer drinking songs ...German style band ..guy with a pointer and we all sang and swung mugs around or hit table in ryme with songs...good fun...

Also remember my cousin Nahum..I fixed him up with girl friends girl friend and he was the sober driver...had pulled over so my girl friend could be sick..[future wife by the way..] and a cop pulled up...leaned out the window and said, as I was holding GF head as she was sick..[always the gentleman]..and said to him..." besides all your other problems..."your on a one way street going the wrong way.."..Over 60 years ago...still remember that...

Nahum got directions on how to get to the Merritt to get home...we made it safely..

NY  gave up on that experiment...so many bad accidents by the 18 year olds and raised drinking back to 21.

[justme]

The drinking age was raised due to lobbying of MADD to get the age raise put in as a condition of states getting their federal transportation dollars. Lobbying.

Countries like Canada that have lower drinking ages have much lower instances of injuries from drunk driving. (And at least in Ontario when they used to have a grade 13 in high school, high school seniors could legally drink).

[Green Eyed Lady]

I don't know. Are they going to raise the "register for draft" age to 21? Because if you aren't old enough or responsible enough to buy a gun at 18, you surely aren't old enough or responsible enough to use one, right? 

I guess if the county GIVES you a gun so you can fight, that's ok. As long as it wasn't your money being spent.