a new path for executions?

[chiver78]

well, that's different....

NE/NV executioners are turning to fentanyl

from the link:
Nevada and Nebraska executioners are turning to fentanyl

Executioners in Nevada and Nebraska could soon be employing a drug with a deadly track record to dispatch death row inmates to the grave — fentanyl.

The powerful opioid blamed for thousands of deaths is one of the drugs that the Nebraska Department of Correctional Services intends to inject into the veins of Jose Sandoval, who was sentenced to death for killing five people during a bank robbery back in 2002.

Fentanyl is also a key ingredient in the lethal cocktail that Nevada officials are hoping to use to execute convicted killer Scott Dozier.

“We are still waiting for the courts to approve the use of this new drug cocktail,” Nevada DOC spokeswoman Brooke Keast said Tuesday in an email to NBC News. “But should that happen, we have purchased enough fentanyl to use it in future executions as well.”

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click the link for the full story

[MJ2.0]

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

[Tennesseer]

Feb 27, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

Alabama Senate approves execution by nitrogen hypoxia

[Shooby]

Just shoot them.  Sheesh.

[Shooby]

There has been incessant whining about lethal injection.  So, fine.  Let's hang them or shoot them instead.  Easier and far cheaper.

[chiver78]

Feb 27, 2018 18:59:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 27, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

Alabama Senate approves execution by nitrogen hypoxia

[grumpyhermit]

Feb 27, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

I used to work in a mouse lab where we gassed them. I don't think that it would pass the "humane" test on a human. 

[mroped]

Feb 27, 2018 19:38:51 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Feb 27, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

I used to work in a mouse lab where we gassed them. I don't think that it would pass the "humane" test on a human. 

I believe that someone that has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and had been sentenced to death has done something against another human being that qualifies as “inhuman”.
Given this circumstances, do they deserve to be humanly treated?
I think not but I don’t support the idea of making them suffer. Won’t bring back anybody.
Shooting or hanging them I see it as an absolutely appropriate way to say fairwell to this world!
Cheap and efficient!
And I wouldn’t wait for fifteen years either. Been found guilty, one appeal, boom! Done!
Next in line!

[Tennesseer]

Feb 27, 2018 20:05:08 GMT -5 mroped said:

Feb 27, 2018 19:38:51 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

I used to work in a mouse lab where we gassed them. I don't think that it would pass the "humane" test on a human. 

I believe that someone that has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and had been sentenced to death has done something against another human being that qualifies as “inhuman”.
Given this circumstances, do they deserve to be humanly treated?
I think not but I don’t support the idea of making them suffer. Won’t bring back anybody.
Shooting or hanging them I see it as an absolutely appropriate way to say fairwell to this world!
Cheap and efficient!
And I wouldn’t wait for fifteen years either. Been found guilty, one appeal, boom! Done!
Next in line!

One too many of these. Let's not rush it.

Glenn Ford (October 29, 1949 – June 29, 2015) was convicted of murder in 1984 and released from Angola Prison in March 2014 after a full exoneration. Ford was born in Shreveport, Louisiana. He was the longest serving death row inmate in the United States to be fully exonerated before his death.[1] He was denied compensation by the state of Louisiana for his wrongful conviction.[2]

Ford is one of at least 150 people on death row in the United States who were later exonerated and released.[11]

Conviction and exoneration of Glenn Ford

[chiver78]

Feb 27, 2018 21:11:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 27, 2018 20:05:08 GMT -5 mroped said:

I believe that someone that has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and had been sentenced to death has done something against another human being that qualifies as “inhuman”.
Given this circumstances, do they deserve to be humanly treated?
I think not but I don’t support the idea of making them suffer. Won’t bring back anybody.
Shooting or hanging them I see it as an absolutely appropriate way to say fairwell to this world!
Cheap and efficient!
And I wouldn’t wait for fifteen years either. Been found guilty, one appeal, boom! Done!
Next in line!

One too many of these. Let's not rush it.

Glenn Ford (October 29, 1949 – June 29, 2015) was convicted of murder in 1984 and released from Angola Prison in March 2014 after a full exoneration. Ford was born in Shreveport, Louisiana. He was the longest serving death row inmate in the United States to be fully exonerated before his death.[1] He was denied compensation by the state of Louisiana for his wrongful conviction.[2]

Ford is one of at least 150 people on death row in the United States who were later exonerated and released.[11]

Conviction and exoneration of Glenn Ford

having grown up in MA with an Italian live-in grandmother, the names Sacco and Vanzetti are never far from my mind when this general topic comes up. 

[NastyWoman]

Feb 27, 2018 21:17:59 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Feb 27, 2018 21:11:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One too many of these. Let's not rush it.

having grown up in MA with an Italian live-in grandmother, the names Sacco and Vanzetti are never far from my mind when this general topic comes up. 

 x2 and who knows how many innocent people have been executed. Life without parole is the equivalent of the death penalty for the guilty and reversible for those who turn out to be innocent. And that is quite aside from the fact that I don't want anyone to kill so-called on my behalf.

[Tennesseer]

To be clear, I am reluctantly pro-death penalty.

Death Penalty Information:

The Innocence List

[steff]

Having spent most of my life in Texas, the death penalty has always been just a given.  The Jennifer Ertman & Elizabeth Pena case only strengthened my belief in it.  

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Ertman_and_Elizabeth_Pe%C3%B1a

Plus I love how it totally fucks with the stereotype of a Liberal.  Yes, I'm pro-choice and pro-death penalty. 

[billisonboard]

Feb 27, 2018 20:05:08 GMT -5 mroped said:

...
I believe that someone that has been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt and had been sentenced to death has done something against another human being that qualifies as “inhuman”.
Given this circumstances, do they deserve to be humanly treated?
...

No they don't deserve it but should we allow them to drag us down to their level?

[Shooby]

  We can attempt a "humane " execution.  And, we do.  But, if on occasion it all doesn't go as planned, i am not gonna cry about it.  Sheesh.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 27, 2018 21:31:48 GMT -5 steff said:

Having spent most of my life in Texas, the death penalty has always been just a given.  The Jennifer Ertman & Elizabeth Pena case only strengthened my belief in it.  

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jennifer_Ertman_and_Elizabeth_Pe%C3%B1a

Plus I love how it totally fucks with the stereotype of a Liberal.  Yes, I'm pro-choice and pro-death penalty. 

Actually you are in one of two groups that is logical. The other would be the anti-choice anti death penalty group. 

As reluctantly as Tennesseer is pro death penalty, I am against. Not because I don't think there are no criminals that deserve to die for their crimes. But humans are fallible and if the death penalty is allowed for some, it is inevitable that there will be innocent people on death row. And as far as I know death is not reversible. So no if there is the risk of killing even just one innocent person, I cannot support this.

[mroped]

Most of those on Inocent List were exonerated by DNA analysis. DNA wasn’t much used in crime fighting until about 15-20 years ago.
And I’m talking about people that have been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
And yes, we do need to stoop to their level.
As archaic as it may be, pain begets pain and the fear of it might keep you from inflicting it on someone else.
Generaly speaking, for violent crime I’m very much for the “eye for an eye” approach.
In my book, murderers and child rapists don’t deserve another day under the sun!

[billisonboard]

Feb 27, 2018 23:35:44 GMT -5 mroped said:

. ...
As archaic as it may be, pain begets pain and the fear of it might keep you from inflicting it on someone else.
...

Deterrence: States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates

[Tennesseer]

Feb 27, 2018 23:35:44 GMT -5 mroped said:

Most of those on Inocent List were exonerated by DNA analysis. DNA wasn’t much used in crime fighting until about 15-20 years ago.
And I’m talking about people that have been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
And yes, we do need to stoop to their level.
As archaic as it may be, pain begets pain and the fear of it might keep you from inflicting it on someone else.
Generaly speaking, for violent crime I’m very much for the “eye for an eye” approach.
In my book, murderers and child rapists don’t deserve another day under the sun!

But there may have been some put to death who might not have been put to death had DNA testing been available at the time of their execution date.

As for the highlighted text above, the death penalty has been around forever. It has not stopped individuals from causing physicaland mental pain to others.

No need to rush an execution date even if the person is found guilty upon appeal. There just might be someone out there who for any number of reasons has not come forward with information which could exonerate the convicted and sentenced person.

[sesfw]

My thoughts about the death penalty are mixed.  About the closest I can come to my feelings is this.

Life sentence for convicted murders ......... and the death penalty if they kill someone while in prison.  Right now a convicted murderer can kill a fellow prisoner or guard and have nothing to lose.

HOWEVER when it comes to child molesters ......... let them be in the exercise yard with other prisoners and let them be 'taken care of' that way.

But there is the argument about the loser in Florida ....... what do you do with evil?

Back to the topic .......... what about an overdose of sodium penathol? (sorry, lousy spelling) Go to a local dentist and get some .........

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Feb 27, 2018 19:38:51 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Feb 27, 2018 16:52:08 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

there has to be an easier and cheaper way to execute someone.  What about a mask of carbon monoxide?

I used to work in a mouse lab where we gassed them. I don't think that it would pass the "humane" test on a human. 

I don't understand how it passes muster as a "humane" way to execute a rodent.  You have to do it gradually now because some person decided that it was too inhumane to gas them at full blast right away.   They insist the mouse "peacefully goes to sleep" if you do it this way.

Bullshit.  I invite whoever it was that decided this was the "more humane" method to come do it themselves.  "Peacefully goes to sleep" my ass.

Personally I think a properly done cervical dislocation is the most humane form of death but you're not allowed to do that anymore.

[NastyWoman]

“We are still waiting for the courts to approve the use of this new drug cocktail,” Nevada DOC spokeswoman Brooke Keast said Tuesday in an email to NBC News. “But should that happen, we have purchased enough fentanyl to use it in future executions as well.”

Well, I have made my position on the death penalty clear, but if we are going to do this and if we are going to use fentanyl for it, why buy the stuff? Doesn't the police confiscate enough of it to serve this purpose? Once used it get can't get "lost" from an evidence locker and end up back on the streets

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Hmm... the state of Nebraska is so broke they are slashing the university system (one of the largest employers in the state) by close to $40 million but they have enough state funds to purchase brand new drugs for execution.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 28, 2018 15:49:53 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Hmm... the state of Nebraska is so broke they are slashing the university system (one of the largest employers in the state) by close to $40 million but they have enough state funds to purchase brand new drugs for execution.

Tell them to look into their cupboards for drugs to use. Like some here commit to eating food that they have in their pantry/freezer. Just also point out to them that reselling the drugs on hand would be taking frugality a step or two (or maybe a mile or two) too far.  Just in case someone comes up with ideas...

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Feb 28, 2018 15:58:24 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Feb 28, 2018 15:49:53 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Hmm... the state of Nebraska is so broke they are slashing the university system (one of the largest employers in the state) by close to $40 million but they have enough state funds to purchase brand new drugs for execution.

Tell them to look into their cupboards for drugs to use. Like some here commit to eating food that they have in their pantry/freezer. Just also point out to them that reselling the drugs on hand would be taking frugality a step or two (or maybe a mile or two) too far.  Just in case someone comes up with ideas...

I'm sure there is plenty of it around here.    Rickets is so busy clutching his pearls over pot that may be sneaking in from Colorado that nobody is watching what's going on elsewhere.