Like him or not, Rand Paul hits the nail on the head.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

"When the Democrats are in power, Republicans appear to be the conservative party," Paul said at one point. "But when Republicans are in power, it seems there is no conservative party. The hypocrisy hangs in the air and chokes anyone with a sense of decency or intellectual honesty."

""Our debt is a threat to this country," Ryan said in a 2013 speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference. "We have to tackle this problem before it tackles us."


He was far from alone. Republicans insisted that any spending legislation -- even for disaster relief -- be paid for with budget offsets. Every major Republican leader talked about debt and deficit relentlessly.


That focus on deficit reduction and spending restraint bled into the 2016 primary as the top tier candidates -- including Paul -- championed it. One candidate, however, did not."

"The reason I'm here tonight is to put people on the spot," Paul said. "I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, 'How come you were against President Obama's deficits, and then how come you're for Republican deficits?'

us.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/rand-paul-analysis/index.html

[busymom]

I have to agree with Paul.  Why does the deficit no longer matter when the GOP is in power?  It was HUGE when the Democratic Party held control.  

[thyme4change]

Before the election, I got a huge lecture about how out of control the debt is. I am interested to see what his take is now. He has toed the party line on every other issue, so I am interested to see his logic on why the debt no longer matters.

[Tennesseer]

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Without more Republicans in Congress, we were forced to increase spending on things we do not like or want in order to finally, after many years of depletion, take care of our Military. Sadly, we needed some Dem votes for passage. Must elect more Republicans in 2018 Election!


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Donald J. Trump
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Costs on non-military lines will never come down if we do not elect more Republicans in the 2018 Election, and beyond. This Bill is a BIG VICTORY for our Military, but much waste in order to get Dem votes. Fortunately, DACA not included in this Bill, negotiations to start now!

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Trump: Republicans were 'forced' to increase spending

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Feb 9, 2018 10:24:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Before the election, I got a huge lecture about how out of control the debt is. I am interested to see what his take is now. He has toed the party line on every other issue, so I am interested to see his logic on why the debt no longer matters.

who is "he"? 

[NastyWoman]

Of course it is "slightly" hypocritical of Rand Paul to protest the deficit after he just voted for that wonderful, give away, of a tax package which will increase the deficit by trillions.

Me thinks this is a case of wanting your cake and eating it too - and feeling all principled while at it.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2018 10:47:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Donald J. Trump

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@realdonaldtrump

Without more Republicans in Congress, we were forced to increase spending on things we do not like or want in order to finally, after many years of depletion, take care of our Military. Sadly, we needed some Dem votes for passage. Must elect more Republicans in 2018 Election!


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that is called COMPROMISE.  it is what makes for GOOD GOVERNING.

the alternative is "one party gets whatever it wants over the objections of the other".  this means MASSIVE SOCIAL SPENDING under Democrats, of course.  but apparently he can't make that logical leap.

[Phoenix84]

It is hypocritical of the GOP to sign off on this massive spending increase after the budget fights of the Obama era. It’s hypocritical of the democrats to suddenly be worried about the debt under a republican congress after the debt explosion under Obama.

I think both parties are lazy and just throwing money at each other to cover for the fact that they can’t actually govern responsibly and reach a deal to keep the government operational.

[Deleted]

It's okay, they will cut granny's Medicaid/Medicare and food stamps to pay for it. /sarcasm

[djAdvocate]

Feb 9, 2018 12:43:03 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

It is hypocritical of the GOP to sign off on this massive spending increase after the budget fights of the Obama era. It’s hypocritical of the democrats to suddenly be worried about the debt under a republican congress after the debt explosion under Obama.

I think both parties are lazy and just throwing money at each other to cover for the fact that they can’t actually govern responsibly and reach a deal to keep the government operational.

is that what they are doing?  or are they calling out Republicans?

there is a difference.

IE: if i know you are against animal abuse, and i am NOT, is it wrong for me to point out when you hit your dog?

[bean29]

Feb 9, 2018 12:46:05 GMT -5 @rockhounder said:

It's okay, they will cut granny's Medicaid/Medicare and food stamps to pay for it. /sarcasm

I think this was their intent. I don't know what happened.

I think this was irresponsible of both the Democrats and the Republicans. The tax cut never would have gone through if this budget had been presented at the same time.

How the hell they can cut tax revenues and increase expenditures to this extent is beyond me.

And the Dreamers really need a solution. This budget had nothing to do with them, no one even gave them a second thought other than Nancy Pelosi, so lets reject Trump's BS.

[engineerdoe]

People always talk about the tax and spend Democrats but forget all about the borrow and spend Republicans.  Both sides have flaws which is why I prefer a mismatch in power of executive and legislative branches.  I would like to see what "waste" the Democrats held out for to pass this budget.

[engineerdoe]

"It also includes a series of unexpected spending increases, including restoring some provisions that were jettisoned from last year’s $1.5 trillion tax package. And the bill includes an extension of 48 different tax credits that expired at the end of 2016, including several incentives meant to help particular sectors like mining and horse racing."

Tax credits for horse racing??!!??  Is this not the sport of Kings, i.e. rich people only sport?  Of course they get a tax credit.


Quote from this article:

www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/us/politics/senate-spending-bill-taxes-medicare.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FFederal%20Budget%20(U.S.)

[Rukh O'Rorke]

It's a super obvious statement to make...so kinda seems like grandstanding to me. 

[dezii]

Feb 9, 2018 10:59:20 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Of course it is "slightly" hypocritical of Rand Paul to protest the deficit after he just voted for that wonderful, give away, of a tax package which will increase the deficit by trillions.

Me thinks this is a case of wanting your cake and eating it too - and feeling all principled while at it.

u make a good case...seems he's a bit hypocritical but I did listen to a lot of his harangue...CNN broadcast a lot of it...and if u over look the possible hypocriticle parts of himself doings...what he said I found no fault with. That in our history, only four times was our budget passed correctly with all facets being done correctly...

When u think of the size of a budget that is in the trillions...the impossibility of checking out every expenditures for waste and necessity...how a hundred thousand here, a million here, $50 thousand there...$10 thousand over there...and all those added up...to quite a large amount of waste of our financials...and these wastes are pork barrel items that are there because I will give u yours if you give me mine...so who is to say no...

Possible , and it will never happen, a line veto would help, but who would do that? I don't see our Donald, for example, taking the time or being fair with such a tool...the waste in the government is billions and billions...Over the years..try trillions possible..We could have a wall both in Mexico AND  Canada and still have $ left over...waste of canceled projects in the military amount to billions...The particle collider  [ particle Physics..biggest in Switzerland now]  in Texas was one of the few that was canceled before it ran into billions...same with our answer to the Concorde Jet...but to many of these projects are never canceled...afraid some Senator or Congressman districts or States lose jobs..

[Rob Base 2.0]

politicians are hypocrites.....shocking

[NastyWoman]

Feb 9, 2018 14:57:05 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 9, 2018 10:59:20 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Of course it is "slightly" hypocritical of Rand Paul to protest the deficit after he just voted for that wonderful, give away, of a tax package which will increase the deficit by trillions.

Me thinks this is a case of wanting your cake and eating it too - and feeling all principled while at it.

u make a good case...seems he's a bit hypocritical but I did listen to a lot of his harangue...CNN broadcast a lot of it...and if u over look the possible hypocriticle parts of himself doings...what he said I found no fault with. That in our history, only four times was our budget passed correctly with all facets being done correctly...

No he doesn't get a pass from me. All that was needed here is elementary school level math and I expect senators to at least have that level of knowledge.

You know along the lines of: here are 10 apples, now I give away 5. I promised mom 12 apples to bake a pie. How many do I have left?  What do you mean I am short, that's not fair, we can't do that! Should the solution be "Let's go steal farmer John's apples" or would a better solution be "let's get those apples we couldn't afford to give away in the first place back and then see what else we need to do to make this work"

[dezii]

Feb 9, 2018 18:57:18 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Feb 9, 2018 14:57:05 GMT -5 dezii said:

u make a good case...seems he's a bit hypocritical but I did listen to a lot of his harangue...CNN broadcast a lot of it...and if u over look the possible hypocriticle parts of himself doings...what he said I found no fault with. That in our history, only four times was our budget passed correctly with all facets being done correctly...

No he doesn't get a pass from me. All that was needed here is elementary school level math and I expect senators to at least have that level of knowledge.

You know along the lines of: here are 10 apples, now I give away 5. I promised mom 12 apples to bake a pie. How many do I have left?  What do you mean I am short, that's not fair, we can't do that! Should the solution be "Let's go steal farmer John's apples" or would a better solution be "let's get those apples we couldn't afford to give away in the first place back and then see what else we need to do to make this work"

Nasty whether u give him a pass or not is your business not mine...I am not that set in my ways that I hold grudges....well with the Donald that might be a bit of a untruth...we are dealing with politicians who we as those who vote yea or nay hold their future in our hands...so they do play the political game..tell us what we want to hear...vote in ways that will help them politically...meaning keeping them in office. I understand...yet Paul said things I had not heard before from a member of the GOP  against them as well as Dems...both parties deserved it...and he will suffer for it in his party...possible seriously..possible fatally....That to me was a brave thing to do...

His talk was above and beyond..I have seen above and beyond...I respect that...

[NastyWoman]

Feb 9, 2018 19:11:18 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 9, 2018 18:57:18 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

No he doesn't get a pass from me. All that was needed here is elementary school level math and I expect senators to at least have that level of knowledge.

You know along the lines of: here are 10 apples, now I give away 5. I promised mom 12 apples to bake a pie. How many do I have left?  What do you mean I am short, that's not fair, we can't do that! Should the solution be "Let's go steal farmer John's apples" or would a better solution be "let's get those apples we couldn't afford to give away in the first place back and then see what else we need to do to make this work"

Nasty whether u give him a pass or not is your business not mine...I am not that set in my ways that I hold grudges....well with the Donald that might be a bit of a untruth...we are dealing with politicians who we as those who vote yea or nay hold their future in our hands...so they do play the political game..tell us what we want to hear...vote in ways that will help them politically...meaning keeping them in office. I understand...yet Paul said things I had not heard before from a member of the GOP  against them as well as Dems...both parties deserved it...and he will suffer for it in his party...possible seriously..possible fatally....That to me was a brave thing to do...

His talk was above and beyond..I have seen above and beyond...I respect that...

Since talk is all it is, his speech is worth absolutely nothing. Sorry but I believe that actions speak louder than words and that does not just include your actions of the last 5 minutes that you use to score points, but also the actions that brought you to this point in the first place.

[dezii]

Feb 9, 2018 19:17:45 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Feb 9, 2018 19:11:18 GMT -5 dezii said:

Nasty whether u give him a pass or not is your business not mine...I am not that set in my ways that I hold grudges....well with the Donald that might be a bit of a untruth...we are dealing with politicians who we as those who vote yea or nay hold their future in our hands...so they do play the political game..tell us what we want to hear...vote in ways that will help them politically...meaning keeping them in office. I understand...yet Paul said things I had not heard before from a member of the GOP  against them as well as Dems...both parties deserved it...and he will suffer for it in his party...possible seriously..possible fatally....That to me was a brave thing to do...

His talk was above and beyond..I have seen above and beyond...I respect that...

Since talk is all it is, his speech is worth absolutely nothing. Sorry but I believe that actions speak louder than words and that does not just include your actions of the last 5 minutes that you use to score points, but also the actions that brought you to this point in the first place.

Not going to go back and forth with u here...you do what u want, believe  how u want...said that already I believe.....

From my life experience, especially when younger when had young lives entrusted to me..not always happy ending..am able to be less up tight  and forgiving of possible faults ...much less a hard ass...those days long gone..definitely the stick up my butt is long gone...

I heard those words of Paul and listened with a open mind...was not listening or saying under my breath.."what about your past votes and decisions you Republican son of......" ..just his words..our problems in the country and why he would not vote as his party wanted him to do...for me...good words...to bad others wouldn't join him.

These problems as a country, the financials are not going to affect me...am a senior, senior...financially ok...no debts...my kids will probably be ok....grand kids and their kids and so many of those generations...not going to be a good thing...and Paul spoke on that...so why criticize is my feeling...but makes u feel better...so be it, go for it.

[NastyWoman]

dezii I don't like arguing with you at all but we have to respectfully agree to disagree here. I understand that people change their mind over time and I believe that that can be good. However, it is one thing to give someone a pass on something he did or said 10 years or (what the heck) even just a year ago. But this tax law vote is from December 20th, just 1.5 months ago. At that time it was abundantly clear that the chance of having a balanced budget (even without the lower revenue) was about as good as a snowball's chance in hell. Yet he voted for that tax law amendment.

Actions have consequences and you don't get to ignore them when it is politically expedient for you, nor do you get to bemoan the facts resulting from your own actions just a few weeks later because, once again, it is politically expedient for you.

By the way you are not the only older person on this forum even though you do have some years on me but I have been eligible for Medicare for a while now  Like you I won't be all that much affected by what is happening now. Unlike you chances are that neither will my children's children, since they are growing up abroad due their parents' choice and made possible due to their dual citizenship.  So no dogs in this fight for me personally, yet this upsets me quite a bit.

 

[dezii]

Feb 9, 2018 20:32:53 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

dezii I don't like arguing with you at all but we have to respectfully agree to disagree here. I understand that people change their mind over time and I believe that that can be good. However, it is one thing to give someone a pass on something he did or said 10 years or (what the heck) even just a year ago. But this tax law vote is from December 20th, just 1.5 months ago. At that time it was abundantly clear that the chance of having a balanced budget (even without the lower revenue) was about as good as a snowball's chance in hell. Yet he voted for that tax law amendment.

Actions have consequences and you don't get to ignore them when it is politically expedient for you, nor do you get to bemoan the facts resulting from your own actions just a few weeks later because, once again, it is politically expedient for you.

By the way you are not the only older person on this forum even though you do have some years on me but I have been eligible for Medicare for a while now  Like you I won't be all that much affected by what is happening now. Unlike you chances are that neither will my children's children, since they are growing up abroad due their parents' choice and made possible due to their dual citizenship.  So no dogs in this fight for me personally, yet this upsets me quite a bit.

 

[NastyWoman]

never  dezii . There is nothing wrong with disagreements only with disrespect and neither you nor I disrespect each other.

[dezii]

Feb 9, 2018 20:56:00 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

never  dezii . There is nothing wrong with disagreements only with disrespect and neither you nor I disrespect each other.

[thyme4change]

Feb 9, 2018 10:55:16 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Feb 9, 2018 10:24:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Before the election, I got a huge lecture about how out of control the debt is. I am interested to see what his take is now. He has toed the party line on every other issue, so I am interested to see his logic on why the debt no longer matters.

who is "he"? 

Sorry about that. My post was super unclear, but the "he" is just a random conservative friend (Joe Ordinary.) I use him as an indicator into how conservatives think. And I am waiting to hear his thoughts on the new debt.

[bean29]

It dosn’t matter what their “platform” is, what they say are their priorities when they campaign for our votes. Citizens united needs to go. RN they vote for what the people with control of the Superpac & Special Interest $$ want. To hell with the rest of us.

[jkapp]

Feb 9, 2018 10:21:22 GMT -5 busymom said:

I have to agree with Paul.  Why does the deficit no longer matter when the GOP is in power?  It was HUGE when the Democratic Party held control.  

Maybe for the same reason that Democrats cared so much about debt when GWB was in office, but didn't care about massive deficits when Obama was in power?

[jkapp]

Feb 9, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Helloooooo, conservatives........ Anyone want to weigh in on why this is all fine and dandy?  



I didn't think so. 



I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrat.  I think this is completely irresponsible.  But what do the 1% care?  They don't depend on Social Security or Medicare, and they don't care if these programs go down the tubes.

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal...So that means you care about deficits when republicans are in power and spend on things like border control and military, but when deficits are created by liberal social welfare programs, its a-okay.  That about right?

[tallguy]

Feb 10, 2018 8:55:30 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Feb 9, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Helloooooo, conservatives........ Anyone want to weigh in on why this is all fine and dandy?  



I didn't think so. 



I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrat.  I think this is completely irresponsible.  But what do the 1% care?  They don't depend on Social Security or Medicare, and they don't care if these programs go down the tubes.

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal...So that means you care about deficits when republicans are in power and spend on things like border control and military, but when deficits are created by liberal social welfare programs, its a-okay.  That about right?

No, that is not even in the same hemisphere as right, but you know that already.  Don't you?  

[djAdvocate]

Feb 10, 2018 8:55:30 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Feb 9, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Helloooooo, conservatives........ Anyone want to weigh in on why this is all fine and dandy?  



I didn't think so. 



I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrat.  I think this is completely irresponsible.  But what do the 1% care?  They don't depend on Social Security or Medicare, and they don't care if these programs go down the tubes.

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal...So that means you care about deficits when republicans are in power and spend on things like border control and military, but when deficits are created by liberal social welfare programs, its a-okay.  That about right?

no.  it means he always cares about deficits, and he also cares about civil liberties, and good governance.

from his standpoint, i am betting there is very little about this administration for him to like.