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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 3, 2018 16:31:23 GMT -5
I had to fact check this story to be sure it actually happened. Armed Trump supporters harrassed two Navajo lawmakers at the Arizona capital. One of them yelled that they should “get out of the country” because they were illegal. I’m sure these were “fine people”  .....https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/armed-trump-supporters-confront-american-indian-arizona-lawmakers-state-capitol/ |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2018 16:35:52 GMT -5
LOL.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Feb 3, 2018 16:43:55 GMT -5
 What do you respond at a moment like that? Jerks. We had 2 native american governors that I know of.
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Post by dezii on Feb 3, 2018 17:35:48 GMT -5
They say we are unfair if we criticize "Trump supporters " as having a few less brains and common sense then normal, possible they are right in their criticism.......then again....
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Arizona Navajo lawmaker is harassed by Trump supporters: "Get out of the country!"
"Supporters of President Donald Trump used racist language against dark-skinned public servants while rallying against immigration, the Arizona Capitol Timesreported Saturday.
“Supporters of President Donald Trump singled out dark-skinned lawmakers, legislative staffers and children at the Capitol on Jan. 25 as they protested congressional efforts to pass immigration reform, according to staffers of the Arizona Legislature and two Democratic legislators, AZ Capitol Times reported.
“Waving large flags in support of Trump while standing between the House and Senate buildings, the protesters, who were also armed, asked just about anyone who crossed their path if they ‘support illegal immigration.’”
One dark-skinned Arizonian who was asked if he was in the country “illegally” was Rep. Eric Descheenie (D-Chinle).
Rep. Descheenie is a Navajo lawmaker.
“I’m indigenous to these lands,” Rep. Descheenie said. “My ancestors fought and died on these lands. I just told them, ‘Don’t ask me that question.’”
Legislative staffers Lisette Flores and Selianna Robles had gone to a local farmers’ market for lunch and were also accosted.
“We’re walking back, and they start yelling again, ‘Get out of the country.’ At that point, they pointed to Lisette, called her an illegal, and said, ‘Get out, go back home!’” Robles said. “But they pointed at Jane (Ahern), who works for the House, and they said, ‘No, you can stay.’”
Ahern is white.
“They assume things about you. There’s not much we can do,” said Robles, an Arizona native raised in the town of San Luis. “We work for the state, we’re public servants, and we’re just here to do our job.”
The Democratic leader of the state Senate blasted the “unacceptable” response by law enforcement after officers were allegedly instructed to stand down.
“I can tell you that the Democratic staff who were yelled at by the protesters and called illegals definitely felt harassed and were not satisfied with the response,” Senate Minority Leader Katie Hobbs (D-Phoenix) wrote in a letter to Senate President Steve Yarbrough (R-Chandler).
“They did not feel safe,” Rep. Hobbs noted.
“This is a public place. When armed protesters aggressively go after members, staff and visitors, there needs to be a response that ensures the safety of everyone involved,” Rep. Hobbs wrote.
“I have seen instances here at the capital (sic) when peaceful protesters with a different agenda were surrounded by many more law enforcement officers with a much more aggressive response.”
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 3, 2018 19:41:55 GMT -5
I watched the video on snopes, I don't see any armed people,
I see a dozen idiots yelling questions about illegal immigration,
Woww,,,, what a big deal.
What would you do if we had a real crisis??
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 3, 2018 22:48:36 GMT -5
pick myself up, brush myself off, and march on. pretty much what i do here.
how about yourself?
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Feb 3, 2018 22:54:48 GMT -5
Typical Trump supporters. They all suck.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 4, 2018 8:57:13 GMT -5
For the most part, I don't think the Navajo look Mexican. If you are going to be an asshole, at least be half educated in your stance. Being an idiot and an asshole won't get you very far.
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 10:18:50 GMT -5
I watched the video on snopes, I don't see any armed people, I see a dozen idiots yelling questions about illegal immigration, Woww,,,, what a big deal. What would you do if we had a real crisis?? That u watched a snopes video and saw no weapons doesn't mean there were none...If it was reported there were some folks armed I would think good chance there were some armed...and a big deal or not...u have innocent folks scared for their lives being threatened and supposedly law enforcement didn't get involved...yeah, a big deal. --------------------------- "The Democratic leader of the state Senate blasted the “unacceptable” response by law enforcement after officers were allegedly instructed to stand down." |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 10:41:57 GMT -5
NO, dezii, If there were weapons, if this was an actual conflict,, other than some idiots asking stupid questions,,
The police would have done something about it!!!!!
What this was , A Liberal trying to create a mountain out of a molehill,, turn this into some huge racist thing.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 4, 2018 10:47:03 GMT -5
NO, dezii, If there were weapons, if this was an actual conflict,, other than some idiots asking stupid questions,, The police would have done something about it!!!!! What this was , A Liberal trying to create a mountain out of a molehill,, turn this into some huge racist thing. If the screamers were not brandishing their weapons what should the police do? Open carry is legal in Arizona. Additionally, the video is shown from the perspective of the screamers so you won't see any weapons. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 10:51:19 GMT -5
NO, dezii, If there were weapons, if this was an actual conflict,, other than some idiots asking stupid questions,, The police would have done something about it!!!!! What this was , A Liberal trying to create a mountain out of a molehill,, turn this into some huge racist thing. If it's lawful in Az to open carry weapons..long ones as well as hand weapons the police would have no right to "done something" about it...Possible u are big, strong, use to violent confrontations so being set upon by a loud mob and threatened verbally , u would have no problem with that..Most of us are not that brave.... |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 10:59:44 GMT -5
NO, dezii, If there were weapons, if this was an actual conflict,, other than some idiots asking stupid questions,, The police would have done something about it!!!!! What this was , A Liberal trying to create a mountain out of a molehill,, turn this into some huge racist thing. If the screamers were not brandishing their weapons what should the police do? Open carry is legal in Arizona. Additionally, the video is shown from the perspective of the screamers so you won't see any weapons. In AZ. if you are armed even if you do not show a weapon, it is considered an armed conflict, can be subject to serious consciences. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 11:01:16 GMT -5
NO, dezii, If there were weapons, if this was an actual conflict,, other than some idiots asking stupid questions,, The police would have done something about it!!!!! What this was , A Liberal trying to create a mountain out of a molehill,, turn this into some huge racist thing. If it's lawful in Az to open carry weapons..long ones as well as hand weapons the police would have no right to "done something" about it...Possible u are big, strong, use to violent confrontations so being set upon by a loud mob and threatened verbally , u would have no problem with that..Most of us are not that brave.... Wimp!  |
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 11:08:50 GMT -5
If it's lawful in Az to open carry weapons..long ones as well as hand weapons the police would have no right to "done something" about it...Possible u are big, strong, use to violent confrontations so being set upon by a loud mob and threatened verbally , u would have no problem with that..Most of us are not that brave.... Wimp! I've been where rounds were fired and I sent back...had trained young folks all armored up under command, and if needed , able to call in fire and reinforcements...and while I wouldn't say we were wimps...that could get u killed...leery, nervous, a bit scared at times and that was when I was very young full of piss and vinegar...over a half century ago... Today, if I was these two Navajos being harassed and screamed at by AH like this, not knowing where it would end up...u bet I would be upset and scared. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 4, 2018 11:26:49 GMT -5
If the screamers were not brandishing their weapons what should the police do? Open carry is legal in Arizona. Additionally, the video is shown from the perspective of the screamers so you won't see any weapons. In AZ. if you are armed even if you do not show a weapon, it is considered an armed conflict, can be subject to serious consciences. So in Arizona, if two people are arguing about the weather or who will win the super bowl, and one is carrying a firearm, it is an armed conflict. Got it. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before.
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Post by mroped on Feb 4, 2018 11:36:02 GMT -5
I watched the video on snopes, I don't see any armed people, I see a dozen idiots yelling questions about illegal immigration, Woww,,,, what a big deal. What would you do if we had a real crisis?? Is the crisis Extreme Idiocy? Because it very much looks like we are having one of those! And did you expect them to wave their weapons around like some guerilla fighters? |
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 4, 2018 11:36:39 GMT -5
AS-pathetic response. Just pathetic.
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Post by mroped on Feb 4, 2018 11:38:02 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before. Ofcourse was a liberal set up! Why good American, God fearing people, Trump supporting Christians would do that? It would be against their teachings about Christ and love for others! |
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 11:44:38 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before. Oh come on already ..your insulting your self ...don't do that, not becoming...better to just give it a rest already... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2018 11:48:11 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before. a hallmark of narcissism is that when evidence is presented which conflicts with the conspiracy theory, the conspiracy is widened to fit the new evidence. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2018 11:49:36 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before. Ofcourse was a liberal set up! Why good American, God fearing people, Trump supporting Christians would do that? It would be against their teachings about Christ and love for others! it's that dearth of Ockham's Razor on the right that i was speaking of before. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 11:57:13 GMT -5
OK, Go ahead show the proof that these were only Trump supporters.
I could as easily pickup a Liberal backed candidate tee shirt run around flipping off and screaming at some Republicans,
Become big news!!!
Go ahead show me where these were Trump supporters,
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 11:58:10 GMT -5
Besides that why would we believe that these were even Trump supporters,, It could have just as easily been a liberal set up, it has happened before. a hallmark of narcissism is that when evidence is presented which conflicts with the conspiracy theory, the conspiracy is widened to fit the new evidence. Deep, very deep.....  |
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 11:59:58 GMT -5
OK, Go ahead show the proof that these were only Trump supporters. I could as easily pickup a Liberal backed candidate tee shirt run around flipping off and screaming at some Republicans, Become big news!!! Go ahead show me where these were Trump supporters, [sigh]........gave it a shot...failed.....oh well......  ..............  |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 4, 2018 12:02:32 GMT -5
What no proof dezii,, that is your scapegoat?? .................. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -5
OK, Go ahead show the proof that these were only Trump supporters. we can't. now that i have admitted that, prove to us that NONE of them were Trump supporters. this game is stupid, oc. nobody knows what is in the hearts and minds of people. not even you. but here is something for you to ponder: is it really easier for you to believe that this is a false flag operation than a Trump supporter? because, if so, i think you should seek professional help.  |
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Post by dezii on Feb 4, 2018 12:28:21 GMT -5
OK, Go ahead show the proof that these were only Trump supporters. we can't. now that i have admitted that, prove to us that NONE of them were Trump supporters. this game is stupid, oc. nobody knows what is in the hearts and minds of people. but here is something for you to ponder: is it really easier for you to believe that this is a false flag operation than a Trump supporter? because, if so, i think you should seek professional help. There is something to the old saying...if it walks like a Duck...quacks like a Duck...swims like a Duck..........it is a Duck. as I suggested a few posts earlier...this argument being put forth by one poster is embarrassing to that poster...seems I am not alone in this feeling ...suggested to give it a rest...suggested ignored , so best response now... .......  ........... {IMHO of course] |
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 4, 2018 12:36:55 GMT -5
this whole notion that you can't make REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS is strangling debate.
it's dumb.
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