Our Donald claims release of the "memo" vindicates him,

[dezii]

shows he is innocent of any collusion...

My feelings are because he says it's so does not make it so...speaking in the first , second or in this case the third person does not vindicate him on this topic...

When the investigation is finished and Mr. Mueller releases the findings of the investigations...then and only then will we know if the Donald is innocent of charges of wrong doing , of collusion. I can wait for this decision...wonder why our Donald so anxious to just finish it with or with out a decision?
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"Trump calls disclosures in GOP memo 'an American disgrace'

President Trump angrily tweeted Saturday morning about the disclosures of FBI procedures contained in a Republican congressional memo that was released Friday after the White House declassified it.

“This memo totally vindicates ‘Trump’ in probe,” the commander in chief wrote, speaking of himself in the third person.

“But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on,” he continued. “Their [sic] was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead).

This is an American disgrace!”
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www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-disclosures-gop-memo-american-disgrace-163338983.html

[djAdvocate]

it depends on what "vindicates" means.

if he means it makes him look like a paranoid #fakenews cabbagehead, then yeah.  victory is his.

[Rob Base 2.0]

Lock him up!!

[djAdvocate]

Feb 3, 2018 16:19:18 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

Lock him up!!

speaking of which, i think Clinton is still roaming around free, presumably selling kids to Podesta.

[djAdvocate]

i don't know why it didn't occur to me before a moment ago, but.....

the Nunes Memo vindicates Mueller, not Trump.

[dezii]

Feb 3, 2018 16:34:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 3, 2018 16:19:18 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

Lock him up!!

speaking of which, i think Clinton is still roaming around free, presumably selling kids to Podesta.

Think she's having a good time enjoying the Grand Kids...wouldn't be surprised either if she has snuggled up to Bill and whispered in his ear after looking around to make sure no one around to eavesdrop..

"Honey, thank the lord I lost that damn thing...who needs all that crap..." and his reply after also looking around , in soto voice.." I told u that, u never listen to me"

[thyme4change]

Feb 3, 2018 17:20:52 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 3, 2018 16:34:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

speaking of which, i think Clinton is still roaming around free, presumably selling kids to Podesta.

Think she's having a good time enjoying the Grand Kids...wouldn't be surprised either if she has snuggled up to Bill and whispered in his ear after looking around to make sure no one around to eavesdrop..

"Honey, thank the lord I lost that damn thing...who needs all that crap..." and his reply after also looking around , in soto voice.." I told u that, u never listen to me"

Could you imagine if the GOP had congress, but Hillary was president, and all of the people Trump got all rilled up were all pissed? Fox news would be flipping out and 'lock her up' would be a daily battle cry and Congress would be investigating her for a 19th time. This country was bound to be a mess just from the sheer fact that Bannon and Trump poisoned the narrative. It will take a few decades to return to civility.

[Tennesseer]

Thank goodness my decades are numbered.

[thyme4change]

Feb 3, 2018 19:00:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Thank goodness my decades are numbered.

I hope that I live long enough to see a better USA.

[dezii]

Feb 3, 2018 18:23:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 3, 2018 17:20:52 GMT -5 dezii said:

Think she's having a good time enjoying the Grand Kids...wouldn't be surprised either if she has snuggled up to Bill and whispered in his ear after looking around to make sure no one around to eavesdrop..

"Honey, thank the lord I lost that damn thing...who needs all that crap..." and his reply after also looking around , in soto voice.." I told u that, u never listen to me"

Could you imagine if the GOP had congress, but Hillary was president, and all of the people Trump got all rilled up were all pissed? Fox news would be flipping out and 'lock her up' would be a daily battle cry and Congress would be investigating her for a 19th time. This country was bound to be a mess just from the sheer fact that Bannon and Trump poisoned the narrative. It will take a few decades to return to civility.

I can imagine it and with a GOP Congress I believe she would be workin with them...Bill did , very successfully for the country..he would be be advising her...even over pillow talk...she wouldn't be as erratic and crazy and paranoid as our Donald...We wouldn't be having discussions about a $25 Billion wall.....Unless the GOP Congress was promising to just work so she would be a one term President as the leader of the Senate did with Obama...we would be fine.

That we would have sniping by both parties at each other..when wasn't that the case but this daily soap opera we would not have...

[happyhoix]

He never read the memo. It's four pages long, and he gets bored after a couple paragraphs.

Someone told him it might help his narrative that the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt, and he interpreted that to mean that it would totally vindicate him, because everything anyone ever says to him gets amplified into 'I'm the greatest winner' language.

[Tennesseer]

trump confused the word vindicate with indict.  Many of the same letters.

[happyhoix]

Actually, President Hannity  er... Trump knew it was great before it was even released.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-seized-on-what-memo-could-mean-even-before-reading-it/ar-BBIGpA0

His BFFs on Fox told him how it was all just a witch hunt.

So - no need to even read it.

[djAdvocate]

judging by the dearth of threads on the subject, and the lack of defense of it, one might surmise that everyone knows it is a dud.

and so, we move on.  who will Mueller indict next?

[thyme4change]

After reading Paul saying that Nixon wasn't guilty, it has occurred to me that absolutely nothing will convince Trump's base that he isn't 100% innocent.

And I believe that a number of anti-trumpers will never, ever believe he did not collude, even if they actually find zero evidence.

When this investigation is all wrapped up, I can just roll my eyes at anyone who insists they know more than the people who had access to all the information. Until then...we just have to listen to all of these accusations and interpretations and wait for the real people, with the real information to finish up their real work.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 3, 2018 17:20:52 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 3, 2018 16:34:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

speaking of which, i think Clinton is still roaming around free, presumably selling kids to Podesta.

Think she's having a good time enjoying the Grand Kids...wouldn't be surprised either if she has snuggled up to Bill and whispered in his ear after looking around to make sure no one around to eavesdrop..

"Honey, thank the lord I lost that damn thing...who needs all that crap..." and his reply after also looking around , in soto voice.." I told u that, u never listen to me"

  And he lived to tell 

[NastyWoman]

Feb 3, 2018 19:00:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Thank goodness my decades are numbered.

Considering that I am from the same vintage as you:   ... but I do have grandkids so not all that enthusiastic about that after all

[happyhoix]

Feb 4, 2018 22:33:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

judging by the dearth of threads on the subject, and the lack of defense of it, one might surmise that everyone knows it is a dud.

and so, we move on.  who will Mueller indict next?

No no! We're not done yet!

Nunes says he's just starting.  wants to release five more memos investigating wrong doing at other federal agencies.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-nunes-wants-to-publish-as-many-as-5-more-memos/ar-BBIHGXl

He'll start with the State Department, then work his way down, I guess.

This is actually starting to look like a witch hunt, all right, but not a Mueller witch hunt, a Nunes one, and the targets seem to be anyone who appears to be disloyal to the president.

I keep trying to imagine what would have happened if Obama set his minions to clearing out the federal government of any anti-Obama employees.  I can't even imagine.

[thyme4change]

Feb 5, 2018 7:54:10 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Feb 4, 2018 22:33:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

judging by the dearth of threads on the subject, and the lack of defense of it, one might surmise that everyone knows it is a dud.

and so, we move on.  who will Mueller indict next?

No no! We're not done yet!

Nunes says he's just starting.  wants to release five more memos investigating wrong doing at other federal agencies.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-nunes-wants-to-publish-as-many-as-5-more-memos/ar-BBIHGXl

He'll start with the State Department, then work his way down, I guess.

This is actually starting to look like a witch hunt, all right, but not a Mueller witch hunt, a Nunes one, and the targets seem to be anyone who appears to be disloyal to the president.

I keep trying to imagine what would have happened if Obama set his minions to clearing out the federal government of any anti-Obama employees.  I can't even imagine.

I am fearful that long pronouncements of corruption and incompetence in all of our agencies will cause all the international intelligence agencies to distance themselves from us and we are going to find ourselves extremely vulnerable. I know - America first, and we don't care what everyone else thinks of us. But that doesn't work for me when there are 9-11 style attacks being planned against us, and the intelligence networks decides not to tell us anything.

I hope Trump is worth it, because I believe people will get killed. And it won't happen for 10 years, so Nunes and company will never admit they are the root cause.

[dezii]

I am in the midst of watching a series on WW2 in color on Netflick and they just finished the set about Italy and it's leader. Could not get over the resemblance of Mussolini and our Donald...his posturing, his over blown statements..his patting him self on the back...except for the hair..even the resemblance....[just saying]

[happyhoix]

Feb 5, 2018 8:57:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 5, 2018 7:54:10 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

No no! We're not done yet!

Nunes says he's just starting.  wants to release five more memos investigating wrong doing at other federal agencies.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-nunes-wants-to-publish-as-many-as-5-more-memos/ar-BBIHGXl

He'll start with the State Department, then work his way down, I guess.

This is actually starting to look like a witch hunt, all right, but not a Mueller witch hunt, a Nunes one, and the targets seem to be anyone who appears to be disloyal to the president.

I keep trying to imagine what would have happened if Obama set his minions to clearing out the federal government of any anti-Obama employees.  I can't even imagine.

I am fearful that long pronouncements of corruption and incompetence in all of our agencies will cause all the international intelligence agencies to distance themselves from us and we are going to find ourselves extremely vulnerable. I know - America first, and we don't care what everyone else thinks of us. But that doesn't work for me when there are 9-11 style attacks being planned against us, and the intelligence networks decides not to tell us anything.

I hope Trump is worth it, because I believe people will get killed. And it won't happen for 10 years, so Nunes and company will never admit they are the root cause.

If, when the Mueller investigation is finally concluded and the results published, and there is evidence of some kind of obstruction or collaboration on the part of the Trump campaign, Nunes and his fellow Trumpette GOP members will end up looking like the worst kind of sycophants. 

Nunes is supposed to be chairing a committee to investigate possible collusion with Russian in the 2016 election. Instead, he is mounting a McCarthy era investigation over who might not be subservient enough to Trump in the DOJ - and now, in other federal agencies as well. I guess we'll work our way down to the Agricultural department and the Coast Guard, eventually.

I think this is why so many of the GOP congress people were on TV over the weekend explaining how the Nunes memo is a totally different investigation from the  Mueller investigation, and how important it is for the Mueller investigation to continue doing it's job. Trey Gowdy actually did a really good job explaining it, I thought.

[Phoenix84]

Feb 4, 2018 22:33:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

judging by the dearth of threads on the subject, and the lack of defense of it, one might surmise that everyone knows it is a dud.

and so, we move on.  who will Mueller indict next?

I read it, it’s not that long.

There’s really nothing to defend. It really doesn’t disclose much that we didn’t already know or suspect. I think it provides some points against the doj that will have to be weighed in the investigation and any subsequent proceedings, but doesn’t “vindicate” Trump. The investigation has to continue to it’s conclusion. It’s the only way the nation will move past this. If you like Trump, it’s the only way he’ll be vindicated, if you don’t like Trump, it’s the only he’ll be punished if he did something wrong.

[dezii]

Feb 4, 2018 23:40:16 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

After reading Paul saying that Nixon wasn't guilty, it has occurred to me that absolutely nothing will convince Trump's base that he isn't 100% innocent.

And I believe that a number of anti-Trumps will never, ever believe he did not collude, even if they actually find zero evidence.

When this investigation is all wrapped up, I can just roll my eyes at anyone who insists they know more than the people who had access to all the information. Until then...we just have to listen to all of these accusations and interpretations and wait for the real people, with the real information to finish up their real work.

Actually I don't feel he colluded with Russia...I do believe he knew they were interfering as they did and was favoring him...however don't believe he or his people were actively involved with the Russians asking or suggesting how they could help...just being aware...privately welcoming the help...and not telling our FBI and other agencies their suspecions of Russian interference...by not doing so...letting agencies know their suspecians about the Russian involvement...is that a form of collusion?

[dondub]

I recall someone calling the memo a 'nothing burger with cheese'. Where's the cheese?

[happyhoix]

Feb 5, 2018 11:31:54 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I said in the other thread that it was an opening salvo.  I think it's concerning that Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC to funnel unverified information to the FBI, then leak it to the press, and then use the investigation that followed against Trump.

It's also sort of funny to me that Trump was called paranoid, and a believer in conspiracy theories, when he said he was wiretapped and that the Clinton campaign and FBI paid for the dossier.  That ended up being correct. The things we know to be true now seemed unbelievable over a year ago.  It's also interesting to go back and read the original leak articles and see how the discussion was framed by reporters.  The information wasn't from a private investigator for the Clinton campaign but " a well-placed Western intelligence source."  That gave the dossier a lot more credit than it deserved.

Another document came out this morning from Grassley. Apparently Steele had one or more memos not published by buzzfeed that included information that came to him from the State Department.  The State Department had gotten it from a foreign source that was talking to a Clinton associate.

The FBI offered Steele 50K to confirm the information in the dossier he showed to them, but then fired him when he leaked information to the media. The FBI pays for information all the time, from a variety of sources, when doing an investigation, so that isn't unusual. The dossier was originally paid for by a Republican candidate during the primary - this is something that tends to get overlooked a lot. When that candidate dropped out of the race, Fusion made a deal with Clinton and the DNC to continue funding it - campaigns paying for opposition research is nothing new. Fusion worked for Mitt Romney when he was running for president.

Also, there is no evidence that Trump was being wiretapped by Obama, as he claimed. If Carter Page or Manafort had FISA warrants on them during some period of the campaign, Trump campaign workers may have been inadvertently captured talking to either Page or Manafort, but this is LEGAL activity, under the FISA laws. Of course, Trump could have prevented that, if he'd taken care to pick campaign employees who didn't have close associations with the Russians - or, in the case of Page, hadn't attracted attention from the FBI for bragging about his close connections with the Russians in 2013.

And  yes, I would agree the things we now know to be true did seem unbelievable a year ago.

[Opti]

Feb 5, 2018 8:57:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 5, 2018 7:54:10 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

No no! We're not done yet!

Nunes says he's just starting.  wants to release five more memos investigating wrong doing at other federal agencies.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-nunes-wants-to-publish-as-many-as-5-more-memos/ar-BBIHGXl

He'll start with the State Department, then work his way down, I guess.

This is actually starting to look like a witch hunt, all right, but not a Mueller witch hunt, a Nunes one, and the targets seem to be anyone who appears to be disloyal to the president.

I keep trying to imagine what would have happened if Obama set his minions to clearing out the federal government of any anti-Obama employees.  I can't even imagine.

I am fearful that long pronouncements of corruption and incompetence in all of our agencies will cause all the international intelligence agencies to distance themselves from us and we are going to find ourselves extremely vulnerable. I know - America first, and we don't care what everyone else thinks of us. But that doesn't work for me when there are 9-11 style attacks being planned against us, and the intelligence networks decides not to tell us anything.

I hope Trump is worth it, because I believe people will get killed. And it won't happen for 10 years, so Nunes and company will never admit they are the root cause.

It does not feel like America first. It feels like Trump first, GOP second, and I don't give a crap about the rest of you.

[happyhoix]

Feb 5, 2018 13:30:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 5, 2018 8:57:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I am fearful that long pronouncements of corruption and incompetence in all of our agencies will cause all the international intelligence agencies to distance themselves from us and we are going to find ourselves extremely vulnerable. I know - America first, and we don't care what everyone else thinks of us. But that doesn't work for me when there are 9-11 style attacks being planned against us, and the intelligence networks decides not to tell us anything.

I hope Trump is worth it, because I believe people will get killed. And it won't happen for 10 years, so Nunes and company will never admit they are the root cause.

It does not feel like America first. It feels like Trump first, GOP second, and I don't give a crap about the rest of you.

Trump doesn't really care about the GOP. Until recently, he was a pro-life Dem.  He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, pretending to be concerned about traditional marriage, promoting patriotism, eliminating abortions and protecting Christianity, when what really matters to him the most is the only thing he actually accomplished his first year - a fat tax cut for himself and his millionaire buddied.

So I would say in Trumplandia, it's Trump, Trump's business and those family members involved in his business, Trump's properties, Trump's wealthy cronies, and everything else.

[dezii]

Trump already attacking Schiff over the not yet released , not sure ever will be released , Democratic based memo that contradicts the Republican memo....[sigh]....Man is paranoid, vindictive, narcissi and so many other adjectives......

Some one really should take a chance with the SS and give our Donald a real thrashing...if not that , then a swift kick u know where when no one is looking..IMHO  of course
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Senior Schiff has already answered our Donald by his own Tweet..

" Adam Schiff

✔

@repadamschiff



Mr. President, I see you’ve had a busy morning of “Executive Time.” Instead of tweeting false smears, the American people would appreciate it if you turned off the TV and helped solve the funding crisis, protected Dreamers or...really anything else. "
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abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-targets-top-democrat-adam-schiff-ahead-push/story?id=52847337


...and the beat goes on...

[Phoenix84]

Feb 5, 2018 11:18:17 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 4, 2018 23:40:16 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

After reading Paul saying that Nixon wasn't guilty, it has occurred to me that absolutely nothing will convince Trump's base that he isn't 100% innocent.

And I believe that a number of anti-Trumps will never, ever believe he did not collude, even if they actually find zero evidence.

When this investigation is all wrapped up, I can just roll my eyes at anyone who insists they know more than the people who had access to all the information. Until then...we just have to listen to all of these accusations and interpretations and wait for the real people, with the real information to finish up their real work.

Actually I don't feel he colluded with Russia...I do believe he knew they were interfering as they did and was favoring him...however don't believe he or his people were actively involved with the Russians asking or suggesting how they could help...just being aware...privately welcoming the help...and not telling our FBI and other agencies their suspecions of Russian interference...by not doing so...letting agencies know their suspecians about the Russian involvement...is that a form of collusion?

I largely agree. My gut feeling is that there was no collusion or conspiracy. Trump wasn’t involved in any concrete way with the Russian campaign to disrupt the 2016 election.

I think the real danger for Trump is not Russia collusion, which isn’t a crime by the way, but any number of nasty charges that could come from obstructing justice to purgers. As they say, it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up that gets you in the end. I think Trumps biggest mistake was admitting publicly that he fired Comey over “that Russia thing.”

To answer you question, it wasn’t Trumps job to do the work of integgigence agencies and Russia meddling.

[dondub]

Perhaps waiting for Mueller's report would be prudent.