2018 Is Coming And Zero Reps Voted To Balance The Budget

[djAdvocate]

the BEST time to balance the budget is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

the WORST time to cut taxes is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

even supply side loons should agree that the timing of this decision is stupid.
they won't agree on what it will actually do, of course- at least not publicly.
privately, they know that this is a Trojan Horse designed to destroy welfare.
ballooning the debt is just a precursor.

www.npr.org/2017/11/23/566034204/poll-economists-unanimous-that-debt-would-balloon-under-gop-tax-plan

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Dec 17, 2017 16:55:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the BEST time to balance the budget is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

the WORST time to cut taxes is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

even supply side loons should agree that the timing of this decision is stupid.
they won't agree on what it will actually do, of course- at least not publicly.
privately, they know that this is a Trojan Horse designed to destroy welfare.
ballooning the debt is just a precursor.

www.npr.org/2017/11/23/566034204/poll-economists-unanimous-that-debt-would-balloon-under-gop-tax-plan

38 economists from schools including Yale, MIT and the University of California-Berkeley weighed in on contentious points about the GOP tax plans.


On one question, the economists were asked whether enacting "a tax bill similar to those currently moving through the House and Senate" would lead to a "substantially higher" rate of economic growth a decade from now than it would otherwise.





A University of Chicago poll asked top economists what they think of the Republican tax plan. Figures may not add up to 100 because some economists did not answer.

University of Chicago

Only 2 percent — or, 1 out of 38 economists — agreed. 36 percent were uncertain, 33 percent disagreed, and another 19 percent strongly disagreed. (The remainder did not answer.)

Very worrying indeed.

But I'm sure concerns raised by the most knowledgeable economists in the world is *fake news*.

[djAdvocate]

just as i thought.  nobody in the GOP cares about deficits anymore.

if you think the tax bill is awful for it, just wait until you see the additional tax cuts and spending increases to follow.  they will probably double the $1.5T.  no amount of slashing will fix it.

so, now the Democrats can run on fiscal responsibility, the minimum wage, and women's issues without even getting into the core strengths of the GOP.  if anyone thinks that that is NOT a winning combination, i would like to hear why.

[Deleted]

Well... it's not like Tinkle down economics has ever been disproven.... oh.... wait... it actually has been. Every fracking time it's been implemented.

[tallguy]

Dec 17, 2017 22:37:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just as i thought.  nobody in the GOP cares about deficits anymore.

if you think the tax bill is awful for it, just wait until you see the additional tax cuts and spending increases to follow.  they will probably double the $1.5T.  no amount of slashing will fix it.

so, now the Democrats can run on fiscal responsibility, the minimum wage, and women's issues without even getting into the core strengths of the GOP.  if anyone thinks that that is NOT a winning combination, i would like to hear why.

Yeah, it's like the GOP decided to shoot their collective selves in the foot.  With a bazooka. 

[Deleted]

Dec 18, 2017 0:32:27 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 17, 2017 22:37:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

just as i thought.  nobody in the GOP cares about deficits anymore.

if you think the tax bill is awful for it, just wait until you see the additional tax cuts and spending increases to follow.  they will probably double the $1.5T.  no amount of slashing will fix it.

so, now the Democrats can run on fiscal responsibility, the minimum wage, and women's issues without even getting into the core strengths of the GOP.  if anyone thinks that that is NOT a winning combination, i would like to hear why.

Yeah, it's like the GOP decided to shoot their collective selves in the foot.  With a bazooka. 

...with nuclear tipped ordinance.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 17, 2017 16:55:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the BEST time to balance the budget is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

the WORST time to cut taxes is in a time of economic expansion and full employment.

even supply side loons should agree that the timing of this decision is stupid.
they won't agree on what it will actually do, of course- at least not publicly.
privately, they know that this is a Trojan Horse designed to destroy welfare.
ballooning the debt is just a precursor.

www.npr.org/2017/11/23/566034204/poll-economists-unanimous-that-debt-would-balloon-under-gop-tax-plan
[/upquote]


Lol. 8 years and $9 trillion later, this is suddenly important?

[djAdvocate]

i can't read the most recent post, thankfully.  but i am sure it is more supply side drivel.  i offer this in rebuttal:

www.factandmyth.com/taxes/tax-decreases-do-not-increase-revenue

[djAdvocate]

the generic congressional vote is currently at D+11%.  this is the highest it has been in the last year.  for those of you unfamiliar with this survey, it tends to play out pretty accurately in elections.  IE, in the last election, the RCP average was D+0.6, and it ended up at R+1.1.  in 2014, it was R+2.4 (R+5.7).  in 2012 it was R+0.2 (D+1.2).  it has not been off more than 3.3% as far back as i could research.  but that is not the big news.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

the big news is that this margin we are seeing in the survey today is worse for the GOP than 2008.

think about that for a bit.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2008_generic_congressional_vote-2173.html

but sure, the GOP is going to kick ass next year.  right.  uh huh.

[tallguy]

Lol. 8 years and $9 trillion later, this is suddenly important?

The better question is this:  After so many years of talk, why is it not?

[Opti]

Dec 18, 2017 2:16:49 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Lol. 8 years and $9 trillion later, this is suddenly important?

The better question is this:  After so many years of talk, why is it not?

Exactly. If the real ideals of conservatives is to balances budgets and be fiscally responsible, why abandon that goal when one finally has the political capital to do something about it? Why complain for 8 years only to do something worse, and not even because it is helping the economy out of a credit crisis, a world wide economic event?

It should be important to some conservative posters, unless of course they have been lying to us on this board for many years. Does anyone think that the GOP and Trump selling their souls to do this bill will not backfire? That forcing this through quicker than the ACA and most budget bills will not have serious repercussions for 2018 elections and 2020?

Have ideals gone out of fashion for some Trumpers? Have they and the GOP sold their souls to the devil just because they were hungry for lots of winning?

[Deleted]

Dec 18, 2017 2:58:07 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 18, 2017 2:16:49 GMT -5 tallguy said:

The better question is this:  After so many years of talk, why is it not?

Exactly. If the real ideals of conservatives is to balances budgets and be fiscally responsible, why abandon that goal when one finally has the political capital to do something about it? Why complain for 8 years only to do something worse, and not even because it is helping the economy out of a credit crisis, a world wide economic event?

It should be important to some conservative posters, unless of course they have been lying to us on this board for many years. Does anyone think that the GOP and Trump selling their souls to do this bill will not backfire? That forcing this through quicker than the ACA and most budget bills will not have serious repercussions for 2018 elections and 2020?

Have ideals gone out of fashion for some Trumpers? Have they and the GOP sold their souls to the devil just because they were hungry for lots of winning?

In my best Yoda voice...

Good question this is, though an answer, never will we get.

[tallguy]

Dec 18, 2017 5:08:15 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 18, 2017 2:58:07 GMT -5 Opti said:

Exactly. If the real ideals of conservatives is to balances budgets and be fiscally responsible, why abandon that goal when one finally has the political capital to do something about it? Why complain for 8 years only to do something worse, and not even because it is helping the economy out of a credit crisis, a world wide economic event?

It should be important to some conservative posters, unless of course they have been lying to us on this board for many years. Does anyone think that the GOP and Trump selling their souls to do this bill will not backfire? That forcing this through quicker than the ACA and most budget bills will not have serious repercussions for 2018 elections and 2020?

Have ideals gone out of fashion for some Trumpers? Have they and the GOP sold their souls to the devil just because they were hungry for lots of winning?

In my best Yoda voice...

Good question this is, though an answer, never will we get.

We know the answer.  Republicans do not care about fiscal responsibility at all.  They haven't since Reagan.  They merely spend on different things.  The bigger problem is that they combine their spending with an insistence on tax cuts.  That combination requires tons of borrowing and explodes deficits and the debt, which will ultimately be what destroys this country.  They even admit that talk of deficits is merely something they use to bash Democrats when that side is in power.  Passage of this bill will prove that there is no honor, integrity, or courage left in that party.  Bob Corker had it right when he opposed this bill because of the $1.5 trillion deficit it creates, and which will likely go higher.  Now even he got bribed off.  The question remains, where are the others?  How can all 52 sacrifice honor and ideals to greed?  They can't honestly think that trickle-down works.  They can't all be that stupid still.           

[Deleted]

Dec 18, 2017 5:38:20 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 18, 2017 5:08:15 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

In my best Yoda voice...

Good question this is, though an answer, never will we get.

We know the answer.  Republicans do not care about fiscal responsibility at all.  They haven't since Reagan.  They merely spend on different things.  The bigger problem is that they combine their spending with an insistence on tax cuts.  That combination requires tons of borrowing and explodes deficits and the debt, which will ultimately be what destroys this country.  They even admit that talk of deficits is merely something they use to bash Democrats when that side is in power.  Passage of this bill will prove that there is no honor, integrity, or courage left in that party.  Bob Corker had it right when he opposed this bill because of the $1.5 trillion deficit it creates, and which will likely go higher.  Now even he got bribed off.  The question remains, where are the others?  How can all 52 sacrifice honor and ideals to greed?  They can't honestly think that trickle-down works.  They can't all be that stupid still.           

Bolded one:
I meant from them. They will never answer this question.

Bolded two:
Donald Trump was the "best" that they could nominate. Any questions?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 18, 2017 2:16:49 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Lol. 8 years and $9 trillion later, this is suddenly important?

The better question is this:  After so many years of talk, why is it not?

it would be easier to defend the policy on the basis that Trump never ran
on deficits.  Trump loves debt.  and all of that is true.

just stop lying to us about being the party of fiscal responsibility.  if the GOP EVER was this, they most certainly are not, now.  this is the most irresponsible fiscal policy in nearly a century, and without nearly the excuse that FDR had.

[djAdvocate]

$1.5T is just the beginning.  just wait until Trump gets his defense spending increases.

if the budget deficit is not $1T in 2018, i would be surprised.