These three woman come forward AGAIN,,,

[dezii]

once would have been enough but with all the revelations being outed recently, they felt the most important transgressor, our POTUS , is still seemingly not brought  to account so they come forward again. Left out was the one who claimed three times that she was raped , three times, when a thirteen year old...yes a prostitute, but still, who needs to rape a prostitute.....


I know he  and White House news people say these ladies lie..

[how would spokes people know that ..not there...didn't even know the man when these things went down..just because he said didn't happen, just parroy his replys to these ladies?]


I suggest if really want to make a judgement on truthfulness of these three, watch complete interview , then make a judgement..Personally, to me , kind of strong event..very emotional and it was asked..they were not paid to make these statements..both the first time and now again.
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www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/women-who-accused-Trump-of-sexual-misconduct-demand-congress-to-open-an-investigation/

[Cookies Galore]

Dec 11, 2017 13:19:56 GMT -5 dezii said:

once would have been enough but with all the revelations being outed recently, they felt the most important transgressor, our POTUS , is still seemingly not brought  to account so they come forward again. Left out was the one who claimed three times that she was raped , three times, when a thirteen year old...yes a prostitute, but still, who needs to rape a prostitute.....


I know he  and White House news people say these ladies lie..

[how would spokes people know that ..not there...didn't even know the man when these things went down..just because he said didn't happen, just parroy his replys to these ladies?]


I suggest if really want to make a judgement on truthfulness of these three, watch complete interview , then make a judgement..Personally, to me , kind of strong event..very emotional and it was asked..they were not paid to make these statements..both the first time and now again.
=================================


www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/women-who-accused-Trump-of-sexual-misconduct-demand-congress-to-open-an-investigation/

Excuse me? Do you want to rephrase that?

[dezii]

Dec 11, 2017 13:29:30 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Dec 11, 2017 13:19:56 GMT -5 dezii said:

once would have been enough but with all the revelations being outed recently, they felt the most important transgressor, our POTUS , is still seemingly not brought  to account so they come forward again. Left out was the one who claimed three times that she was raped , three times, when a thirteen year old...yes a prostitute, but still, who needs to rape a prostitute.....


I know he  and White House news people say these ladies lie..

[how would spokes people know that ..not there...didn't even know the man when these things went down..just because he said didn't happen, just parroy his replys to these ladies?]


I suggest if really want to make a judgement on truthfulness of these three, watch complete interview , then make a judgement..Personally, to me , kind of strong event..very emotional and it was asked..they were not paid to make these statements..both the first time and now again.
=================================


www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/women-who-accused-Trump-of-sexual-misconduct-demand-congress-to-open-an-investigation/

Excuse me? Do you want to rephrase that?

??   rephrase what...?

www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

There are many more links if u need them...were u referring to something else..?

" Do u want to rephrase that?"

[Cookies Galore]

Dec 11, 2017 14:43:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

Dec 11, 2017 13:29:30 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Excuse me? Do you want to rephrase that?

??   rephrase what...?

www.newsweek.com/donald-Trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

There are many more links if u need them...were u referring to something else..?

" Do u want to rephrase that?"

You said "who needs to rape a prostitute?" You really don't get it, do you?

[Opti]

Dezi, how you phrased that is insensitive and rude to the female involved. It would be best to just delete that phrase because it adds nothing worthy. Trump is an ass. Having sex with a 13 yr old whether she's in the sex trade or not, is bad. Individuals in the sex trade do not deserve to be raped anymore than any other human on the planet.

HTH

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 11, 2017 13:29:30 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Excuse me? Do you want to rephrase that?

He's saying, "Why would you need to rape (i.e. forcibly subdue) a prostitute when, by profession, she'd lie with you consensually in exchange for money?"

This obviously precludes statutory rape.

[Opti]

Nobody "needs" to rape anyone. Rapists rape because of power and control desires. The sex is secondary. If you don't understand that, you don't understand what rape is.

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 11, 2017 15:02:38 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Dec 11, 2017 14:43:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

??   rephrase what...?

www.newsweek.com/donald-Trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

There are many more links if u need them...were u referring to something else..?

" Do u want to rephrase that?"

You said "who needs to rape a prostitute?" You really don't get it, do you?

He's obviously (IMO) using a narrower definition of rape than you are in this context. Don't tar and feather him until you're certain he actually holds the beliefs you're so eager to berate him for. If it's a simple issue of terminology, no good will come of jumping the gun.

[dezii]

Dec 11, 2017 15:02:38 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Dec 11, 2017 14:43:01 GMT -5 dezii said:

??   rephrase what...?

www.newsweek.com/donald-Trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

There are many more links if u need them...were u referring to something else..?

" Do u want to rephrase that?"

You said "who needs to rape a prostitute?" You really don't get it, do you?

Get what...? Of course sick people who like to abuse and take advantage of and for who rape isn't about sex but domination could and would rape a prostitute who's job description is to sell their bodies for sex for money...I was just using as a example, to have to resort to rape shows the one who is doing such is a sick warped fucker...Virgil had it correctly..u know that , your just attempting to get into a back and forth here with me...I am not playing...will let u play with your self ..

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 11, 2017 15:18:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nobody "needs" to rape anyone. Rapists rape because of power and control desires. The sex is secondary. If you don't understand that, you don't understand what rape is.

If it is your contention that Pres. Trump had a pathological desire to force himself on prostitutes rather than paying them for sex, I'm sure Dezi will (more than happily) entertain the theory once you stop slapping him for no reason.

[dezii]

Another link with the three woman who just came forward with accusations against our Donald again..
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"She hoped that in light of the ongoing reckoning about sexual harassment by men in media, entertainment and politics, people would view the accusations against Trump in a new light.


"For us to put ourselves out there and to try and show America who this man is and how he views women, and for them to say, 'meh, we don't care.' It hurt," Holvey said.

"So now it's just like, let's try round 2, the environment is different. Let's try again."

--------------------------------


Read more here: www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article189153139.html#storylink=cpy




www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article189153139.html

[NastyWoman]

Dec 11, 2017 15:02:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dezi, how you phrased that is insensitive and rude to the female involved. It would be best to just delete that phrase because it adds nothing worthy. Trump is an ass. Having sex with a 13 yr old whether she's in the sex trade or not, is bad illegal. Individuals in the sex trade do not deserve to be raped anymore than any other human on the planet.

HTH

Fixed

[weltschmerz]

Dec 11, 2017 13:19:56 GMT -5 dezii said:

once would have been enough but with all the revelations being outed recently, they felt the most important transgressor, our POTUS , is still seemingly not brought  to account so they come forward again. Left out was the one who claimed three times that she was raped , three times, when a thirteen year old...yes a prostitute, but still, who needs to rape a prostitute.....


I know he  and White House news people say these ladies lie..

[how would spokes people know that ..not there...didn't even know the man when these things went down..just because he said didn't happen, just parroy his replys to these ladies?]


I suggest if really want to make a judgement on truthfulness of these three, watch complete interview , then make a judgement..Personally, to me , kind of strong event..very emotional and it was asked..they were not paid to make these statements..both the first time and now again.
=================================


www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/women-who-accused-Trump-of-sexual-misconduct-demand-congress-to-open-an-investigation/

1) Just because a woman is a prostitute, doesn't mean she has to have sex with any man, any time, anywhere.
2) She was THIRTEEN, and unable to consent.

[Opti]

Dec 11, 2017 20:47:49 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Dec 11, 2017 15:02:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dezi, how you phrased that is insensitive and rude to the female involved. It would be best to just delete that phrase because it adds nothing worthy. Trump is an ass. Having sex with a 13 yr old whether she's in the sex trade or not, is bad illegal. Individuals in the sex trade do not deserve to be raped anymore than any other human on the planet.

HTH

Fixed

Actually its both bad and illegal, but I get your point. I really hope a big enough support team rises up to support and protect this woman, because if Trump is guilty, he deserves to be taken down.

Because let's face it, if its true, this trumps everything Bill Clinton has ever done. Pun and double meaning intended.

[dezii]

Dec 12, 2017 0:54:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 11, 2017 20:47:49 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Fixed

Actually its both bad and illegal, but I get your point. I really hope a big enough support team rises up to support and protect this woman, because if Trump is guilty, he deserves to be taken down.

Because let's face it, if its true, this Trumps everything Bill Clinton has ever done. Pun and double meaning intended.

Your completely correct, but it's not as if this was a secret. It was known and reported before the election, to no avail....and the thing that really got me, it was the Woman who supported the Donald, then and now. I just do not understand that kind of support...Every time his spokeswoman defends him on those press conferences, like yesterdays event, and one woman reporter after another got up and questioned and the answer back..

".America elected him knowing all this information so to question it now makes no sense.." makes my head spin..

[Opti]

The issue is Dezi, something this criminal really needs to be prosecuted. Whether criminal or civil. And I understand why it didn't affect some voters. This is not a level of sexual assault DT is known for. The only thing comparable is his abuse of his one wife pre divorce. Being this is a minor this is a different level, and I'd really like to see this pursued above the level of rich he said and less powerful she said. Because it might not be true.

In my case I wait. Until she chooses to go to court or lots of other women come forward with similar stories, it should be treated as info that may be true or may not be. MHO. YMMV.

[Virgil Showlion]

Americans elected Pres. Trump for his policies, not his outstanding moral character. While these allegations impugn his character, they don't affect his policies or--if we're being honest with ourselves--his ability to govern effectively.

[MJ2.0]

Dec 12, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Americans elected Pres. Trump for his policies, not his outstanding moral character. While these allegations impugn his character, they don't affect his policies or--if we're being honest with ourselves--his ability to govern effectively.

but he doesn't have any ability to govern...

[Opti]

Dec 12, 2017 9:46:26 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Americans elected Pres. Trump for his policies, not his outstanding moral character. While these allegations impugn his character, they don't affect his policies or--if we're being honest with ourselves--his ability to govern effectively.

but he doesn't have any ability to govern...

Americans elected a man who is amazing at marketing. Or was. Because now that he can't hide how he pulls it off, it has become much less effective.

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 12, 2017 9:46:26 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Americans elected Pres. Trump for his policies, not his outstanding moral character. While these allegations impugn his character, they don't affect his policies or--if we're being honest with ourselves--his ability to govern effectively.

but he doesn't have any ability to govern...

That would be a matter of perspective.

You're not ignorant of his supporters' reactions. He dismantles some regulations; you protest, they celebrate. He backs out of an agreement; you cry "international embarrassment", they cry "putting America first". He calls his political opponents names; you fume, they remark on the effectiveness of his "linguistic kill shots".

In any case, his alleged misconduct is neither here nor there. It has no impact on what he does or how effectively he does it. Unless he gropes a female head of state, which I personally believe he can resist doing for the length of his term.

[dezii]

Dec 12, 2017 9:42:01 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I'm sure these allegations are being investigated by private resources who want to see Trump go. They will have to vet carefully if they want them to be taken seriously. For example Jane Doe, who says she was raped by Trump at an Epstein party and then withdrew her lawsuit. The Trump/Epstein story was put in the press by Fusion and Bill Clinton looks way sketchier with Epstein.

I'm afraid that since Trump had been accused of being everything from a traitor to Hitler these are going to get lost in the swirl.

Jane Doe brought suit three times...then with drew...Why? Well our Donald is a very powerful man, even before becoming President...was a very , very wealthy man...Billionaire even by Forbes estimate, forget his own bragging, had powerful friends and u have a unrepresented young lady, who engages in a illegal activity...how much pressure do u think would be needed to stop these suits...Forgetting her, we have a ex wife, then high settlement then fifteen woman come forth then for the second time three woman reiterate their charges....and remember  this is our President for G-Ds sake...

[dezii]

It seems our Donald will never learn to keep his mouth..[tweets] shut...still up to his dissing woman according to some sources..latest is his attack on NY representative , Gillibrand, who called for his resignation...some feel his attack on her was sexual attack verbally..suggesting she would sell herself  to get her way...
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"Trump says Sen. Gillibrand 'would do anything' for campaign cash after she calls for his resignation

Trump says Sen. Gillibrand 'would do anything' for campaign cash after she calls for his resignation

“Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office ‘begging’ for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump,” the president wrote on Twitter. “Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!”

“The insinuation in this tweet is clearly sexual and it’s demeaning to women,” BBC News anchor Katty Kay remarked.

Gillibrand responded in a tweet of her own.

“You cannot silence me or the millions of women who have gotten off the sidelines to speak out about the unfitness and shame you have brought to the Oval Office,” she tweeted.
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www.yahoo.com/news/Trump-says-sen-gillibrand-anything-campaign-cash-calls-resignation-141414196.html

[Opti]

Dec 12, 2017 10:06:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 12, 2017 9:46:26 GMT -5 MJ2.0 said:

but he doesn't have any ability to govern...

That would be a matter of perspective.

You're not ignorant of his supporters' reactions. He dismantles some regulations; you protest, they celebrate. He backs out of an agreement; you cry "international embarrassment", they cry "putting America first". He calls his political opponents names; you fume, they remark on the effectiveness of his "linguistic kill shots".

In any case, his alleged misconduct is neither here nor there. It has no impact on what he does or how effectively he does it. Unless he gropes a female head of state, which I personally believe he can resist doing for the length of his term.

I think many are aware. But this is not Germany or France style protectionism. This is mostly lip service US first. It unfortunately is more like current Russia, China, and India. All places that do things for those in power and don't really care that the populace has horrible water, air, and sometimes not even enough food.

The mountains are nice this time of year Comrade. That position comes with a nice Dachau ...

The first world is mostly composed of grown ups. We were one until the last election. Now we have more in common with the people who are in charge of places ISIS is ascendant. Think on that. There's a few heads of countries in Africa that also have a taste for gold, gold leaf, and giving to the rich.

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 12, 2017 11:33:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 12, 2017 10:06:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

That would be a matter of perspective.

You're not ignorant of his supporters' reactions. He dismantles some regulations; you protest, they celebrate. He backs out of an agreement; you cry "international embarrassment", they cry "putting America first". He calls his political opponents names; you fume, they remark on the effectiveness of his "linguistic kill shots".

In any case, his alleged misconduct is neither here nor there. It has no impact on what he does or how effectively he does it. Unless he gropes a female head of state, which I personally believe he can resist doing for the length of his term.

I think many are aware. But this is not Germany or France style protectionism. This is mostly lip service US first. It unfortunately is more like current Russia, China, and India. All places that do things for those in power and don't really care that the populace has horrible water, air, and sometimes not even enough food.

The mountains are nice this time of year Comrade. That position comes with a nice Dachau ...

The first world is mostly composed of grown ups. We were one until the last election. Now we have more in common with the people who are in charge of places ISIS is ascendant. Think on that. There's a few heads of countries in Africa that also have a taste for gold, gold leaf, and giving to the rich.

O... kay.

Not sure what this has to do with Pres. Trump putting his policies into action or the accusations dogging him.

Since you mention Europe, it's worth pointing out that disregarding a leader's morality (or lack thereof) was fashionable there long before America ever got into the game. They were electing dictators, mafiosi, serial adulterers, fraudsters, and worse while my grandparents were in diapers.

I don't follow the national politics of any one European nation (except occasionally Britain and Germany), but I can tell you that the European Parliament that runs the EU is hopelessly corrupt.

In short, I'd think twice about appealing to the "grown up" nature of the First World if you intend on impugning Pres. Trump. He actually measures up pretty well if you set your standards that low.

[b2r]

Dec 12, 2017 11:18:06 GMT -5 dezii said:

It seems our Donald will never learn to keep his mouth..[tweets] shut...still up to his dissing woman according to some sources..latest is his attack on NY representative , Gillibrand, who called for his resignation...some feel his attack on her was sexual attack verbally..suggesting she would sell herself  to get her way...
-----------------------------------------
"Trump says Sen. Gillibrand 'would do anything' for campaign cash after she calls for his resignation

Trump says Sen. Gillibrand 'would do anything' for campaign cash after she calls for his resignation

“Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office ‘begging’ for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump,” the president wrote on Twitter. “Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!”

“The insinuation in this tweet is clearly sexual and it’s demeaning to women,” BBC News anchor Katty Kay remarked.

Gillibrand responded in a tweet of her own.

“You cannot silence me or the millions of women who have gotten off the sidelines to speak out about the unfitness and shame you have brought to the Oval Office,” she tweeted.
===============================

www.yahoo.com/news/Trump-says-sen-gillibrand-anything-campaign-cash-calls-resignation-141414196.html

     Did Elizabeth Warren just refer to Kirsten Gillibrand as a slut?    
 
     Are you really trying to bully, intimidate and slut-shame
     @sengillibrand? Do you know who you're picking a fight with?
     Good luck with that, @realdonaldtrump. Nevertheless, #shepersisted. 

www.mediaite.com/online/elizabeth-warren-hits-trump-for-trying-to-slut-shame-kirsten-gillibrand-good-luck-with-that/

[weltschmerz]

Dec 12, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Americans elected Pres. Trump for his policies, not his outstanding moral character. While these allegations impugn his character, they don't affect his policies or--if we're being honest with ourselves--his ability to govern effectively.

Lol!!

[weltschmerz]

Dec 12, 2017 11:33:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 12, 2017 10:06:17 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

That would be a matter of perspective.

You're not ignorant of his supporters' reactions. He dismantles some regulations; you protest, they celebrate. He backs out of an agreement; you cry "international embarrassment", they cry "putting America first". He calls his political opponents names; you fume, they remark on the effectiveness of his "linguistic kill shots".

In any case, his alleged misconduct is neither here nor there. It has no impact on what he does or how effectively he does it. Unless he gropes a female head of state, which I personally believe he can resist doing for the length of his term.

I think many are aware. But this is not Germany or France style protectionism. This is mostly lip service US first. It unfortunately is more like current Russia, China, and India. All places that do things for those in power and don't really care that the populace has horrible water, air, and sometimes not even enough food.

The mountains are nice this time of year Comrade. That position comes with a nice Dachau ...

The first world is mostly composed of grown ups. We were one until the last election. Now we have more in common with the people who are in charge of places ISIS is ascendant. Think on that. There's a few heads of countries in Africa that also have a taste for gold, gold leaf, and giving to the rich.

It comes with a nice concentration camp?

[dezii]

Dec 12, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 12, 2017 11:33:44 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think many are aware. But this is not Germany or France style protectionism. This is mostly lip service US first. It unfortunately is more like current Russia, China, and India. All places that do things for those in power and don't really care that the populace has horrible water, air, and sometimes not even enough food.

The mountains are nice this time of year Comrade. That position comes with a nice Dachau ...

The first world is mostly composed of grown ups. We were one until the last election. Now we have more in common with the people who are in charge of places ISIS is ascendant. Think on that. There's a few heads of countries in Africa that also have a taste for gold, gold leaf, and giving to the rich.

It comes with a nice concentration camp?

LOL...close but no cigar....
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In the movie "Gorky Park"...[Great Movie...very good book}.a scene where a party was being held in the "Dacha" of a Soviet high official on a week end out in the country...like cottage...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacha


A dacha is a seasonal or year-round second home, often located in the exurbs of Russian and other post-Soviet cities. A cottage (коттедж, kottedzh) or shack serving as a family's main or only home, or an outbuilding, is not considered a dacha, although some dachas recently have been converted to year-round residences ...

[weltschmerz]

Dec 12, 2017 14:48:33 GMT -5 dezii said:

Dec 12, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

It comes with a nice concentration camp?

LOL...close but no cigar....
--------------------------
In the movie "Gorky Park"...[Great Movie...very good book}.a scene where a party was being held in the "Dacha" of a Soviet high official on a week end out in the country...like cottage...


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacha


A dacha is a seasonal or year-round second home, often located in the exurbs of Russian and other post-Soviet cities. A cottage (коттедж, kottedzh) or shack serving as a family's main or only home, or an outbuilding, is not considered a dacha, although some dachas recently have been converted to year-round residences ...

I know what a dacha is, dezi.
I also know what Dachau is.

[weltschmerz]

View of the Dachau moat & fence

Dachau one of the first concentration camps established by the Nazis, was located in the small town of Dachau approximately 10 miles northwest of Munich.  The location at Dachau was selected by the Nazis because it was the site of an empty munitions factory from World War One, which was ideal for the establishment of a camp.

 
www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/dachau.html