And the winner in the Mueller investigation is:

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nov 14, 2017 8:53:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 13, 2017 15:02:49 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Sure...speculation.
Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos with the election of that divisive, erratic and unpredictable dumbass?

The chaos here is the Liberal Media and liberal backers that running around like chickens with their heads cutoff,,,, Or,,,,,,,,,,, 

Chicken Little,,, The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!

In spite of all the sreeammingggg,  In the U.S., We still have 9/10 of all the wealth, have by far, the most more powerful military,   Stock market is booming, ,,,,,,,,,,, I can go on and on.

Chicken little's are still screeammingggg,,, The sky is falling!

There are potentially serious issues being investigated. No excess emotion necessary to say so.

Do you equate efforts to investigate or report on the situation as being a chicken little?

Have you first hand witnessed such hysteria as you cited here, or is this a secondhand report of what hannity or somesuch has stated?

[thyme4change]

You are so hell bent on convincing us nothing happened, like you have a stake in it. If it really is much to do about nothing, then Mueller will get there, and tell us. And I will abide by his findings.

I predict the final "All clear" declaring Trump totally innocent and the meddling inconsequential will come in October 2020. And then we will have DT for another 4 years.

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 14, 2017 15:43:07 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 14, 2017 13:46:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication...

Next up: Pres. Putin is tearing down America by flooding her cities with opioids, forcing her to run up massive debts, compelling her to engage in pointless foreign wars, brainwashing her police into committing acts of brutality against minorities, sabotaging her education system, stealing her citizens' savings, and sexually assaulting her women! Not America's fault! Putin's fault!

I hear it was Pres. Putin who blackmailed the NYT editors into publishing op eds that answer the question "Can my children be friends with white people?" with "No."  It was Putin who sowed that racial divisiveness in America! It wouldn't have existed if not for his 80,000 troll posts!

He created BLM and the millennial snowflake generation!

He created the Californian secessionist movement--by traveling back in time, even!

He seduced Donna Brazile into shilling for Ms. Clinton!

He was the shooter in Las Vegas, and he created the war over gun control!

He put Pres. Trump in the White House with $100K and a few Internet trolls!

Hark, brothers and sisters: there is nothing he cannot do!

...or at least nothing we cannot blame him for during Red Scare 3.0. We can fit it all into our 98% speculation and BS per diem.

Virgil. You do love to exaggerate.

Putin is stirring a pot that is already boiling. Many other factors are making it worse, but he is one of them.

And last week, our dear president Trump told the world that Putin is 'really upset' that he is being accused of interfering with our election, because he didn't do it! He's an innocent man, railroaded by our crappy intelligence services. Poor, innocent, picked on Putin!

That is, until a couple days later, when Trump reversed himself and claimed that he meant that PUTIN believes he isn't guilty, but Trump of course believes our first rate intelligence services, which are now no longer crappy, since Trump became president.

So - in summary, Trump believes the poor beleaguered former KBG operative when he whined about being innocent, until Trump flipped flopped and believed our own intelligence.

Like I said,  Putin is somewhere, bare chested, riding his horse across the tundra, a bottle of vodka in his hand, laughing his ass at what an idiot president we stuck ourselves with.

1. Pres. Putin is not a good man.
   
   
2. Pres. Putin is no more responsible for Pres. Trump than Paul + VB + Shooby, whose collective post count exceeds that of the Russian op.
   
   
3. Pres. Putin is no more responsible for the turmoil in America than you + Optimist + me, whose arguments about BLM, the Second Amendment, Ms. Clinton, etc. have collectively generated more turmoil than the Russian op.
   
   
4. Any degree of electoral interference from a foreign government is unacceptable--that's the law. But keeping the issues in perspective, we must concede that what is known and can be proven about Russia thus far is a drop in the proverbial ocean.
   
   
5. Other foreign actors, George Soros being a prime example, have interfered with US politics to the tune of billions of dollars through their financial support of groups like Think Progress, Media Matters, etc.  The list of Soros-backed agitator groups in America is a mile long. If you want to shake your fist at somebody for stirring up turmoil in America, start with him.
   
   
6. America is failing because of America. You and the entire western world are slowly waking up to the consequences of decades of financial mismanagement, wanton imperialism, sclerotic government, loss of identity, and moral decline. Pres. Trump is a symptom of this decline, not the cause of it.
   
   
7. The US MSM is not interested in presenting a fair and reasonable perspective. They're interested in i) attracting as many eyeballs as possible, and ii) pushing their increasingly transparent agenda. Caveat lector.
   

[dondub]

1."Biblicationist" isn't a word. Neither is "Biblication", for that matter.   

 It's my own personal descriptor of my own coinage. I don't care if it's a 'real' word or not.

2.The issue has nothing to do with the thread topic.

 That's why I was so surprised that you, a top notch mod, called same sex marriage a harbinger of societal decline. What did that have to do with Mueller?

3.Scripture and religious debates aren't permitted outside of the Religious Discussion board.

 I don't consider same sex marriage a religious or scriptural issue. You do. To me it's about civil and human rights. I only asked you the question because you had

mentioned same sex marriage and you are a Biblicationist. I was hoping you would simply share some Jesus on that belief system you have which you brought to the thread.

4.I've discussed the issue of homosexuality in the Old Testament and New in two threads in RD. The board gets very little traffic; they shouldn't be deeply buried. Look them up if you're genuinely interested in a response.

 I have no desire to visit the RD board and consider all your answers here a simple dodge. You brought your belief system and made an off thread topic comment. I just wanted

to see what Jesus said about it all. No more no less. Figured you of all people could easily provide that to back up your statement.

 

[Tennesseer]

Nov 14, 2017 15:43:07 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 14, 2017 13:46:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication...

Next up: Pres. Putin is tearing down America by flooding her cities with opioids, forcing her to run up massive debts, compelling her to engage in pointless foreign wars, brainwashing her police into committing acts of brutality against minorities, sabotaging her education system, stealing her citizens' savings, and sexually assaulting her women! Not America's fault! Putin's fault!

I hear it was Pres. Putin who blackmailed the NYT editors into publishing op eds that answer the question "Can my children be friends with white people?" with "No."  It was Putin who sowed that racial divisiveness in America! It wouldn't have existed if not for his 80,000 troll posts!

He created BLM and the millennial snowflake generation!

He created the Californian secessionist movement--by traveling back in time, even!

He seduced Donna Brazile into shilling for Ms. Clinton!

He was the shooter in Las Vegas, and he created the war over gun control!

He put Pres. Trump in the White House with $100K and a few Internet trolls!

Hark, brothers and sisters: there is nothing he cannot do!

...or at least nothing we cannot blame him for during Red Scare 3.0. We can fit it all into our 98% speculation and BS per diem.

Virgil. You do love to exaggerate.

Putin is stirring a pot that is already boiling. Many other factors are making it worse, but he is one of them.

And last week, our dear president Trump told the world that Putin is 'really upset' that he is being accused of interfering with our election, because he didn't do it! He's an innocent man, railroaded by our crappy intelligence services. Poor, innocent, picked on Putin!

That is, until a couple days later, when Trump reversed himself and claimed that he meant that PUTIN believes he isn't guilty, but Trump of course believes our first rate intelligence services, which are now no longer crappy, since Trump became president.

So - in summary, Trump believes the poor beleaguered former KBG operative when he whined about being innocent, until Trump flipped flopped and believed our own intelligence.

Like I said,  Putin is somewhere, bare chested, riding his horse across the tundra, a bottle of vodka in his hand, laughing his ass at what an idiot president we stuck ourselves with.

 

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,' and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,” Trump said. ”But he says, 'I didn't do that.' I think he is very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth. Don’t forget. All he said was he never did that, he didn’t do that. I think he is very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country.”

Trump dismissed the meddling allegations as driven by Democrats, warning that the heavy focus on the issue threatens the United States’ ability to partner with Russia on key issues. He asserted that the allegations could fray the U.S.-Russia relationship so badly that the country could be less willing to cooperate on North Korea, Syria and other international crises — an outcome that would put lives at risk.

“This artificial Democratic hit job gets in the way, and that’s a shame because people will die because of it,” he said. “And it’s a pure hit job.”

rump careens off script on Russia after Putin meeting

[dondub]

[OldCoyote]

Nov 14, 2017 16:09:06 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Nov 14, 2017 8:53:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

The chaos here is the Liberal Media and liberal backers that running around like chickens with their heads cutoff,,,, Or,,,,,,,,,,, 

Chicken Little,,, The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!

In spite of all the sreeammingggg,  In the U.S., We still have 9/10 of all the wealth, have by far, the most more powerful military,   Stock market is booming, ,,,,,,,,,,, I can go on and on.

Chicken little's are still screeammingggg,,, The sky is falling!

There are potentially serious issues being investigated. No excess emotion necessary to say so.

Do you equate efforts to investigate or report on the situation as being a chicken little?

Have you first hand witnessed such hysteria as you cited here, or is this a secondhand report of what hannity or somesuch has stated?

Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos!  Report directly from welts.

[Virgil Showlion]

It's my own personal descriptor of my own coinage. I don't care if it's a 'real' word or not.

How DonaTrumptious of you.

That's why I was so surprised that you, a top notch mod, called same sex marriage a harbinger of societal decline. What did that have to do with Mueller?

Ask happyhoix. She broached the subject and made the statement.

I don't consider same sex marriage a religious or scriptural issue. You do. To me it's about civil and human rights. I only asked you the question because you had mentioned same sex marriage and you are a Biblicationist. I was hoping you would simply share some Jesus on that belief system you have which you brought to the thread.

In future, check to see if I'm simply answering a question or replying to a statement.

I have no desire to visit the RD board and consider all your answers here a simple dodge.

Good for you. Discussion over.

 

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Nov 14, 2017 22:21:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 14, 2017 16:09:06 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

There are potentially serious issues being investigated. No excess emotion necessary to say so.

Do you equate efforts to investigate or report on the situation as being a chicken little?

Have you first hand witnessed such hysteria as you cited here, or is this a secondhand report of what hannity or somesuch has stated?

Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos!  Report directly from welts.

I await your responses.

[dondub]

It's my own personal descriptor of my own coinage. I don't care if it's a 'real' word or not.

How DonaTrumptious of you.

Is DonaTrumptious an allowable Trump reference phrase or just an insult?

That's why I was so surprised that you, a top notch mod, called same sex marriage a harbinger of societal decline. What did that have to do with Mueller?


Ask happyhoix. She broached the subject and made the statement.

 I'm quite sure I was referencing this statement: Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election.

 I know you made some remark to me about off topic. I searched high and low for one to happyhoix and found that instead.

I don't consider same sex marriage a religious or scriptural issue. You do. To me it's about civil and human rights. I only asked you the question because you had mentioned same sex marriage and you are a Biblicationist. I was hoping you would simply share some Jesus on that belief system you have which you brought to the thread.


In future, check to see if I'm simply answering a question or replying to a statement.

 I'll do what I want and still see you making a statement.

I have no desire to visit the RD board and consider all your answers here a simple dodge.


Good for you. Discussion over.

 Is dodge 2 complete? 

[OldCoyote]

Nov 14, 2017 22:52:15 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Nov 14, 2017 22:21:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos!  Report directly from welts.

I await your responses.

My response was to the comment that welts made about the U.S. being in chaos.

 My response? to the investigation?

Yea, there definitely some Chicken Little hysteria involved there.
I think some heads will roll, I don't think it will be tied to Trump,, I think it will be tied to financial dealing way before this!

[Virgil Showlion]

Is DonaTrumptious an allowable Trump reference phrase or just an insult?

It's a word I made up to describe the act of spuriously making up words. I named it after my good friend Don and his president, U.S. Pres. Donald Trump.

I'm quite sure I was referencing this statement: ...

Indeed. But go back further, and further, until you get to Reply #307, where the arc started.

I'll do what I want and still see you making a statement.

What do you want from me, sir?

happyhoix asked a question: Why do I consider issues like SSM important but this furor over Russian interference unimportant? A bit off-topic, but a fair question. It deserved a fair answer. Other posters got involved, making criticisms, asking questions. Those deserved answers too, until the conversation wandered far enough away from the thread topic that the only response left is: "I'm sorry, but we're too far off the beaten track; we can't go any further into the wilderness. There are rules."

You appeared in the middle of the discussion and your confusion is understandable, but I can't change the fact that the arc reached its terminus.

We're now back to our regularly scheduled diet of wild speculation and Trump-bashing.

[happyhoix]

6.America is failing because of America. You and the entire western world are slowly waking up to the consequences of decades of financial mismanagement, wanton imperialism, sclerotic government, loss of identity, and moral decline. Pres. Trump is a symptom of this decline, not the cause of it.

Virgil, you must be such a hoot at parties.

Trump is a kidney stone that we have to collectively pass, with much pain and anguish, but we'll pass it.

Not the first time we've slogged through a shit fest. Democracy is messy, but if we can prevent Trump from trying to stage a coup and elect himself dictator for life, we'll keep slogging through.

[thyme4change]

Lol "Trump is a kidney stone we must collectively pass."

🤣🤣🤣

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 15, 2017 9:33:54 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Other foreign actors, George Soros being a prime example, have interfered with US politics to the tune of billions of dollars through their financial support of groups like Think Progress, Media Matters, etc.  The list of Soros-backed agitator groups in America is a mile long. If you want to shake your fist at somebody for stirring up turmoil in America, start with him.

Virgil Showlion I understand you pointing out George Soros's "foreign"-ness, but you are incorrect.


George Soros is an American citizen. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Nov 15, 2017 8:42:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

6.America is failing because of America. You and the entire western world are slowly waking up to the consequences of decades of financial mismanagement, wanton imperialism, sclerotic government, loss of identity, and moral decline. Pres. Trump is a symptom of this decline, not the cause of it.

Virgil, you must be such a hoot at parties.

Trump is a kidney stone that we have to collectively pass, with much pain and anguish, but we'll pass it.

Not the first time we've slogged through a shit fest. Democracy is messy, but if we can prevent Trump from trying to stage a coup and elect himself dictator for life, we'll keep slogging through.

Don't say I didn't tell you so when you find out it's bladder cancer.

[billisonboard]

Nov 15, 2017 12:52:50 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Nov 15, 2017 8:42:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Virgil, you must be such a hoot at parties.

Trump is a kidney stone that we have to collectively pass, with much pain and anguish, but we'll pass it.

Not the first time we've slogged through a shit fest. Democracy is messy, but if we can prevent Trump from trying to stage a coup and elect himself dictator for life, we'll keep slogging through.

Don't say I didn't tell you so when you find out it's bladder cancer.

Depending on the stage that the cancer has reached, the survival rate for patients is between 15 and 98 percent. This rate is the percentage of patients who are still alive five years after the diagnosis, according to the American Cancer Society. www.reference.com/health/usual-survival-rate-patients-bladder-cancer-b8f19a1caeddf12d?aq=survival+rate+of+bladder+cancer&qo=cdpArticles

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I fear it’s already metastasized. Actually my great fear is that we already died and the corpse has just started to stink.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Or is was a an unassuming looking lump that broke open revealing rancid pus followed by a rush of maggots...

Let oxygen and sunshine hit it.....could result in great healing.

[dondub]

Does brain cancer affect critical thinking?

www.braintumour.ca/2494/brain-tumour-facts

[mmhmm]

Nov 15, 2017 16:04:09 GMT -5 dondub said:

Does brain cancer affect critical thinking?

www.braintumour.ca/2494/brain-tumour-facts

That's a little too general. Much depends on where the tumor is, how it's treated, and the patient's physiology. It's not cut and dried. Some tumors will affect cognitive changes while others will not.

[dondub]

I should ask Donnadub as she has been an oncology nurse for many years.

[Value Buy]

Nov 13, 2017 9:07:08 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 9, 2017 16:57:39 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Trump turned down the offer of Russian prostitutes. Finally, a report of him doing the right thing!

Only because the Golden Shower was not included in teh price. 

When Trump's security team leader was questioned, He was the one that was approached about the hookers being available for Trump. He turned the offer down and later that night told Trump about it, and they supposedly laughed together about it.
Evidently even back then, the Russians wanted plausible deniability

[Value Buy]

Well, how many weeks has it been since Mueller supposedly has three people by the balls, would turn them into Trump traitors, and nothing more has happened, and even the media frenzy is slowing down.
I imagine Mueller has privately told some of them, that there is nothing here, and you better move on
now

[happyhoix]

Nov 15, 2017 19:28:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Well, how many weeks has it been since Mueller supposedly has three people by the balls, would turn them into Trump traitors, and nothing more has happened, and even the media frenzy is slowing down.
I imagine Mueller has privately told some of them, that there is nothing here, and you better move on
now

Or, Mueller is maneuvering like a spider behind the scenes, moving his pieces into place on the chessboard. It is illegal, after all, to talk about these kinds of investigations until they are concluded.

You might have heard that they are applying pressure on Flynn, with rumors that both Flynn Sr and Flynn Jr going to jail. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it's a common tactic, to lean on certain players by either threatening them with jail time and/or financial ruin, or threatening to go after their children in order to get them to 'flip' and testify against the primary targets.

Or, it could be a whole nothing burger. Time will tell - but the fact that Mueller still hasn't finished his investigation tells you he believes there is still something to investigate.

[billisonboard]

Nov 16, 2017 9:00:29 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 15, 2017 19:28:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Well, how many weeks has it been since Mueller supposedly has three people by the balls, would turn them into Trump traitors, and nothing more has happened, and even the media frenzy is slowing down.
I imagine Mueller has privately told some of them, that there is nothing here, and you better move on
now

Or, Mueller is maneuvering like a spider behind the scenes, moving his pieces into place on the chessboard. It is illegal, after all, to talk about these kinds of investigations until they are concluded.

You might have heard that they are applying pressure on Flynn, with rumors that both Flynn Sr and Flynn Jr going to jail. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it's a common tactic, to lean on certain players by either threatening them with jail time and/or financial ruin, or threatening to go after their children in order to get them to 'flip' and testify against the primary targets.

Or, it could be a whole nothing burger. Time will tell - but the fact that Mueller still hasn't finished his investigation tells you he believes there is still something to investigate.

But 'Merica, Land of the short attention span and home of instant gratification.

[swamp]

Nov 15, 2017 19:28:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Well, how many weeks has it been since Mueller supposedly has three people by the balls, would turn them into Trump traitors, and nothing more has happened, and even the media frenzy is slowing down.
I imagine Mueller has privately told some of them, that there is nothing here, and you better move on
now

It really hasn't been that long.

If Mueller is using these three guys as a stepping stone, he is having interviews with them and their attorneys, and then following up on the information.

This isn't CSI where it gets wrapped up in 1 hour.