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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 11, 2017 9:25:00 GMT -5
Trump turned down the offer of Russian prostitutes. Finally, a report of him doing the right thing! Did he? It's not as if no one would ever lie for him to keep him out of trouble.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 11, 2017 13:23:26 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 13, 2017 8:02:29 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it. It's always amusing to me, the things you think are important vs the things you poo-poo.
Maybe gay people getting married isn't a sign of the apocalypse. Maybe Trump colluding with the Russians to win a presidential election is.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 13, 2017 9:04:58 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it. It's always amusing to me, the things you think are important vs the things you poo-poo.
Maybe gay people getting married isn't a sign of the apocalypse. Maybe Trump colluding with the Russians to win a presidential election is.
So far, the only "proof" that has actually been documented is Hillary and the DNC colluded with the Russians.
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Post by swamp on Nov 13, 2017 9:07:08 GMT -5
Trump turned down the offer of Russian prostitutes. Finally, a report of him doing the right thing! Only because the Golden Shower was not included in teh price.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 13, 2017 10:00:15 GMT -5
It's always amusing to me, the things you think are important vs the things you poo-poo.
Maybe gay people getting married isn't a sign of the apocalypse. Maybe Trump colluding with the Russians to win a presidential election is.
So far, the only "proof" that has actually been documented is Hillary and the DNC colluded with the Russians. Yes, because Hillary has a lot of vested interests (business interests) in Russia, and has engaged in money laundering with her Russian cronies, so she's at a high risk of being blackmailed by them.
No - wait, I got that backwards....
If it's proof you want, Virgil, be patient. Oh so many sharks are circling, following the scent of blood in the water.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 13, 2017 14:35:40 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it. It's always amusing to me, the things you think are important vs the things you poo-poo.
Maybe gay people getting married isn't a sign of the apocalypse. Maybe Trump colluding with the Russians to win a presidential election is. Maybe one heralds a seismic shift in the values of an entire society and the other is a shaky conspiracy theory over whether Tweedle Dum stole the crown from Tweedle Dee. I care about things that meaningfully affect people's lives.
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Post by swamp on Nov 13, 2017 14:37:14 GMT -5
It's always amusing to me, the things you think are important vs the things you poo-poo.
Maybe gay people getting married isn't a sign of the apocalypse. Maybe Trump colluding with the Russians to win a presidential election is. Maybe one heralds a seismic shift in the values of an entire society and the other is a shaky conspiracy theory over whether Tweedle Dum stole the crown from Tweedle Dee. I care about things that meaningfully affect people's lives. Russia screwing with our election effects me much more than two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom.
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Post by hurley1980 on Nov 13, 2017 14:38:18 GMT -5
SOOOOOOO THAT!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 13, 2017 14:47:54 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it. No, they colluded because they knew that electing Trump would lead to chaos and a weaker America. Then THEY could become the strongest country in the world. So far, it seems to be working.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 13, 2017 14:49:31 GMT -5
Maybe one heralds a seismic shift in the values of an entire society and the other is a shaky conspiracy theory over whether Tweedle Dum stole the crown from Tweedle Dee. I care about things that meaningfully affect people's lives. Russia screwing with our election effects me much more than two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom. Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election. Moreover, the shift in values is a sure thing. It's an established, factual phenomenon with observable milestones. The Russian collusion story is 2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication, churning out 24 hours a day to satisfy a public thirsty for scandal. Hence "chicken with its head cut off" as my choice of metaphor.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 13, 2017 14:51:29 GMT -5
Maybe they colluded to keep the media running around like a chicken with its head cut off while the world burns. They couldn't have done a better job of it. No, they colluded because they knew that electing Trump would lead to chaos and a weaker America. Then THEY could become the strongest country in the world. So far, it seems to be working. ...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication... I rest my case.
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Post by swamp on Nov 13, 2017 14:55:34 GMT -5
Russia screwing with our election effects me much more than two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom. Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election.Moreover, the shift in values is a sure thing. It's an established, factual phenomenon with observable milestones. The Russian collusion story is 2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication, churning out 24 hours a day to satisfy a public thirsty for scandal. Hence "chicken with its head cut off" as my choice of metaphor. You are quite sure of yourself. Maybe you get all bent about it, but I don't care who marries who, and gays marrying doesn't personally affect me at all. My kids are aware of what "gay" means, and it's no big deal to them. Professionally, it makes a huge difference. I can do wills, health care proxies, real property transfers, estate proceedings, and various other legal proceedings to ensure that the same sex spouse is offered the same legal and financial protections as a "normal spouse." I see that as a positive.
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Post by swamp on Nov 13, 2017 14:56:22 GMT -5
No, they colluded because they knew that electing Trump would lead to chaos and a weaker America. Then THEY could become the strongest country in the world. So far, it seems to be working. ...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication... I rest my case. You're quoting yourself to back up your own argument? You're quite special, aren't you?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 13, 2017 15:02:49 GMT -5
No, they colluded because they knew that electing Trump would lead to chaos and a weaker America. Then THEY could become the strongest country in the world. So far, it seems to be working. ...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication... I rest my case. Sure...speculation. Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos with the election of that divisive, erratic and unpredictable dumbass?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 13, 2017 15:33:00 GMT -5
Russia screwing with our election effects me much more than two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom. Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election. Moreover, the shift in values is a sure thing. It's an established, factual phenomenon with observable milestones. The Russian collusion story is 2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication, churning out 24 hours a day to satisfy a public thirsty for scandal. Hence "chicken with its head cut off" as my choice of metaphor. The two guys down the street have been gay for 5 decades. I don't know if they are married or not, because what they did 50 years ago and what they are doing now is basically the same. Living together, loving each other, depending on each other, etc. The three other houses between us have seen marriages, living together, wife beatings, child abuse, a dozen divorces, drug overdoses, suicides, child molestation and a while host of harmful "straight" behaviors. My shift in morales is to recognize the difference between happy lifestyles and toxic lifestyles.
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Post by dondub on Nov 13, 2017 15:35:35 GMT -5
I care about things that meaningfully affect people's lives.
Gay marriage has done exactly that for loving couples that now have the same rights as you do. In a strange way, you have just supported gay marriage.
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 13, 2017 15:36:49 GMT -5
Trump turned down the offer of Russian prostitutes. Finally, a report of him doing the right thing! Are you sure? He might have turned down this offer, because he was busy taking a shower from a previous one.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 13, 2017 16:20:40 GMT -5
Russia screwing with our election effects me much more than two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom. Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election. ... While I am sure we disagree on that impact being positive or negative, I agree with Virgil Showlion on the degree of impact issue.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 13, 2017 18:28:50 GMT -5
Legalization of same-sex "marriage" isn't "two guys screwing in the privacy of their own bedroom", and its significance is as a harbinger of a shift in societal values. I assure you this shift in values affects every American to a vastly greater degree than Russian interference in your 2016 federal election. ... While I am sure we disagree on that impact being positive or negative, I agree with Virgil Showlion on the degree of impact issue. For anyone who believes in individual liberties and equality under the law it is undoubtedly a positive. As are many other things that far-right or religious conservatives oppose.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 13, 2017 22:16:31 GMT -5
While I am sure we disagree on that impact being positive or negative, I agree with Virgil Showlion on the degree of impact issue. For anyone who believes in individual liberties and equality under the law it is undoubtedly a positive. As are many other things that far-right or religious conservatives oppose. Like inter-racial marriage? According to Christians of the day, it was anti-God and the downfall of society.
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Post by dondub on Nov 14, 2017 2:12:43 GMT -5
I'm a bit rusty on the New Testament, that portion of the Bible that featured Jesus. I can't for the life of me remember where Jesus condemned homosexuality or pontificated in any way about the marriage of such individuals. And considering the track record of divorce amongst the Biblicationists, especially those down in the Bible Belt, who the H are they to talk about denying equal rights under the law.....again.
Perhaps Virgil would be so kind as to help me out on this matter and enlighten me to where the Son of God comdemned these folks created by God the Father. Furthermore, if Jesus was alive today would he be condemning gay marriage as some new cultural benchmark indicating that humanity was on a satanic downward slide to perdition? TYIA.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 14, 2017 2:58:53 GMT -5
- "Biblicationist" isn't a word. Neither is "Biblication", for that matter.
- The issue has nothing to do with the thread topic.
- Scripture and religious debates aren't permitted outside of the Religious Discussion board.
- I've discussed the issue of homosexuality in the Old Testament and New in two threads in RD. The board gets very little traffic; they shouldn't be deeply buried. Look them up if you're genuinely interested in a response.
Even so, I am grateful that so many here are willing to discuss a topic other than you-know-who, however briefly.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 14, 2017 3:32:20 GMT -5
For anyone who believes in individual liberties and equality under the law it is undoubtedly a positive. As are many other things that far-right or religious conservatives oppose. Like inter-racial marriage? According to Christians of the day, it was anti-God and the downfall of society. I thought it was feminism that broke society.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 14, 2017 8:31:43 GMT -5
Like inter-racial marriage? According to Christians of the day, it was anti-God and the downfall of society. I thought it was feminism that broke society. Suffragist Movement? Abolitionists? Reformation?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 14, 2017 8:53:18 GMT -5
I rest my case. Sure...speculation. Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos with the election of that divisive, erratic and unpredictable dumbass? The chaos here is the Liberal Media and liberal backers that running around like chickens with their heads cutoff,,,, Or,,,,,,,,,,, Chicken Little,,, The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!! In spite of all the sreeammingggg, In the U.S., We still have 9/10 of all the wealth, have by far, the most more powerful military, Stock market is booming, ,,,,,,,,,,, I can go on and on. Chicken little's are still screeammingggg,,, The sky is falling!
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 14, 2017 13:11:50 GMT -5
Sure...speculation. Are you going to tell me that the US HASN'T descended into chaos with the election of that divisive, erratic and unpredictable dumbass? The chaos here is the Liberal Media and liberal backers that running around like chickens with their heads cutoff,,,, Or,,,,,,,,,,, Chicken Little,,, The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!! In spite of all the sreeammingggg, In the U.S., We still have 9/10 of all the wealth, have by far, the most more powerful military, Stock market is booming, ,,,,,,,,,,, I can go on and on. Chicken little's are still screeammingggg,,, The sky is falling! The 'chaos' Russia wants to sow is to cause the US population to become even more polarized against itself.
Russia wants us to be so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we no longer present a united front to the rest of the world, which means Russia can continue to act aggressively towards it's neighbors with no fear of America working together with NATO to oppose them. So they can get away with shit and once again become a world power.
It's the same reason Russia has interfered with the western European elections as well.
It's been spectacularly successful. Trump is completely ineffective, with such a negative approval rating, and with so many long time GOP representatives deciding to pack it in and retire rather than go through the next election cycle and either have to defend Trump and his record or go against Trump and run against a back stabbing, white supremist Bannon candidate. The Dems are similarly squabbling amongst themselves. We have no strong political leaders to pull us together.
Meanwhile Russia is laughing their ass off while planning their next social media blitz against us.
Doesn't matter about how wealthy we are, or our military power, or our stock market. If we keep going the way we're going, we'll tear ourselves into smaller countries, each independent of each other, and be as ineffective as the European nations are, while Russia dominates the world stage.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 14, 2017 13:38:12 GMT -5
The chaos here is the Liberal Media and liberal backers that running around like chickens with their heads cutoff,,,, Or,,,,,,,,,,, Chicken Little,,, The sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!! In spite of all the sreeammingggg, In the U.S., We still have 9/10 of all the wealth, have by far, the most more powerful military, Stock market is booming, ,,,,,,,,,,, I can go on and on. Chicken little's are still screeammingggg,,, The sky is falling! The 'chaos' Russia wants to sow is to cause the US population to become even more polarized against itself.
Russia wants us to be so busy fighting amongst ourselves that we no longer present a united front to the rest of the world, which means Russia can continue to act aggressively towards it's neighbors with no fear of America working together with NATO to oppose them. So they can get away with shit and once again become a world power.
It's the same reason Russia has interfered with the western European elections as well.
It's been spectacularly successful. Trump is completely ineffective, with such a negative approval rating, and with so many long time GOP representatives deciding to pack it in and retire rather than go through the next election cycle and either have to defend Trump and his record or go against Trump and run against a back stabbing, white supremist Bannon candidate. The Dems are similarly squabbling amongst themselves. We have no strong political leaders to pull us together.
Meanwhile Russia is laughing their ass off while planning their next social media blitz against us.
Doesn't matter about how wealthy we are, or our military power, or our stock market. If we keep going the way we're going, we'll tear ourselves into smaller countries, each independent of each other, and be as ineffective as the European nations are, while Russia dominates the world stage.
All true. Perfectly stated. Nail on the head. I could not agree more.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 14, 2017 13:46:58 GMT -5
...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication... Next up: Pres. Putin is tearing down America by flooding her cities with opioids, forcing her to run up massive debts, compelling her to engage in pointless foreign wars, brainwashing her police into committing acts of brutality against minorities, sabotaging her education system, stealing her citizens' savings, and sexually assaulting her women! Not America's fault! Putin's fault! I hear it was Pres. Putin who blackmailed the NYT editors into publishing op eds that answer the question "Can my children be friends with white people?" with "No." It was Putin who sowed that racial divisiveness in America! It wouldn't have existed if not for his 80,000 troll posts! He created BLM and the millennial snowflake generation! He created the Californian secessionist movement--by traveling back in time, even! He seduced Donna Brazile into shilling for Ms. Clinton! He was the shooter in Las Vegas, and he created the war over gun control! He put Pres. Trump in the White House with $100K and a few Internet trolls! Hark, brothers and sisters: there is nothing he cannot do! ...or at least nothing we cannot blame him for during Red Scare 3.0. We can fit it all into our 98% speculation and BS per diem.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 14, 2017 15:43:07 GMT -5
...2% fact mixed with 98% speculation and fabrication... Next up: Pres. Putin is tearing down America by flooding her cities with opioids, forcing her to run up massive debts, compelling her to engage in pointless foreign wars, brainwashing her police into committing acts of brutality against minorities, sabotaging her education system, stealing her citizens' savings, and sexually assaulting her women! Not America's fault! Putin's fault! I hear it was Pres. Putin who blackmailed the NYT editors into publishing op eds that answer the question "Can my children be friends with white people?" with "No." It was Putin who sowed that racial divisiveness in America! It wouldn't have existed if not for his 80,000 troll posts! He created BLM and the millennial snowflake generation! He created the Californian secessionist movement--by traveling back in time, even! He seduced Donna Brazile into shilling for Ms. Clinton! He was the shooter in Las Vegas, and he created the war over gun control! He put Pres. Trump in the White House with $100K and a few Internet trolls! Hark, brothers and sisters: there is nothing he cannot do! ...or at least nothing we cannot blame him for during Red Scare 3.0. We can fit it all into our 98% speculation and BS per diem. Virgil. You do love to exaggerate.
Putin is stirring a pot that is already boiling. Many other factors are making it worse, but he is one of them.
And last week, our dear president Trump told the world that Putin is 'really upset' that he is being accused of interfering with our election, because he didn't do it! He's an innocent man, railroaded by our crappy intelligence services. Poor, innocent, picked on Putin!
That is, until a couple days later, when Trump reversed himself and claimed that he meant that PUTIN believes he isn't guilty, but Trump of course believes our first rate intelligence services, which are now no longer crappy, since Trump became president.
So - in summary, Trump believes the poor beleaguered former KBG operative when he whined about being innocent, until Trump flipped flopped and believed our own intelligence.
Like I said, Putin is somewhere, bare chested, riding his horse across the tundra, a bottle of vodka in his hand, laughing his ass at what an idiot president we stuck ourselves with.
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