Paid Time Off!

[OldCoyote]

As of July 1 2017 AZ  voter approved Paid Time Off.

Depending on the size of the Co. it can be 40 hours of pay a year.

For small Co. it will be 24 hours a year.

ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Minimum_Wage_and_Paid_Time_Off,_Proposition_206_(2016)

[tallguy]

Seattle did it five years ago.  Employees at small and medium companies accrue one hour for every forty hours worked, while employees at large companies accrue one hour for every thirty hours worked.  The allowed carryover from year-to-year is 40, 56, or 72 hours depending on the size of the business.  Even part-time workers who are not otherwise eligible for benefits receive this since it is mandated by law. 

[giramomma]

OK?

[hoops902]

Do you have some feeling on the topic? Maybe I'm supposed to know your stance on this already, but I don't.

[Tennesseer]

OC's link did not work for me, so here is an article about it.


What to know as Arizona's mandatory paid sick-leave law takes effect

Arizona's new law mandating paid sick leave starts July 1, and employers had better be prepared for it.

Businesses and non-profit groups could face penalties for failing to keep adequate records or post sufficient notice, and they could incur damages for failing to provide paid sick time. Employers who retaliate against workers exercising their rights could face fines of at least $150 per day, say attorneys at Gallagher & Kennedy, a Phoenix law firm that held a workshop to alert employers of the requirements.

The law mandating as many as 40 hours of paid sick leave — which was approved by voters last November as part of the Proposition 206 package that also hiked the state's minimum wage — applies to virtually all businesses and non-profits with at least one Arizona employee. That includes entities not headquartered in the state.

The only exceptions involve people employed by Arizona's state government or the federal government, as well as sole proprietors.

Complete article here: What to know as Arizona's mandatory paid sick-leave law takes effect

[countrygirl2]

I think son gets 1 day off now for every day he works, seems like that is what he said.

[mroped]

"Paid time off" as in sick days/personal days or maybe there is something that I'm missing...?
Can anyone define that for me if you don't mind?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 5, 2017 17:38:23 GMT -5 mroped said:

"Paid time off" as in sick days/personal days or maybe there is something that I'm missing...?
Can anyone define that for me if you don't mind?

Mr.O-opening lines in reply #4.

[tallguy]

Jul 5, 2017 16:25:17 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I think son gets 1 day off now for every day he works, seems like that is what he said.

I would find that difficult to believe.  Are you sure you wrote that right?  

[mroped]

Thanks! 
I don't see what is the big deal about it. One should assume that people get sick sometimes but still have to pay bills.
I never understood the concept of paying employees as little as you can and expect the most out of them and I'm prety sure that most companies/businesses have in their billing practices included something in the line of "unforeseen events"
To me is just cost of doing business and if I'm not mistaking our standard contract includes 3 or 5 personal paid days that could be used as "sick days" or just for personal matters.

[TheOtherMe]

Jul 5, 2017 19:31:18 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 5, 2017 16:25:17 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I think son gets 1 day off now for every day he works, seems like that is what he said.

I would find that difficult to believe.  Are you sure you wrote that right?  

As do I.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 5, 2017 19:39:02 GMT -5 mroped said:

Thanks! 
I don't see what is the big deal about it. One should assume that people get sick sometimes but still have to pay bills.
I never understood the concept of paying employees as little as you can and expect the most out of them and I'm prety sure that most companies/businesses have in their billing practices included something in the line of "unforeseen events"
To me is just cost of doing business and if I'm not mistaking our standard contract includes 3 or 5 personal paid days that could be used as "sick days" or just for personal matters.

OC is a business owner in Arizona so he is affected by this new law. I believe that is his issue and he may not have been for the law.

[simser]

Jul 5, 2017 19:39:02 GMT -5 mroped said:

Thanks! 
I don't see what is the big deal about it. One should assume that people get sick sometimes but still have to pay bills.
I never understood the concept of paying employees as little as you can and expect the most out of them and I'm prety sure that most companies/businesses have in their billing practices included something in the line of "unforeseen events"
To me is just cost of doing business and if I'm not mistaking our standard contract includes 3 or 5 personal paid days that could be used as "sick days" or just for personal matters.

It's an interesting thing. I'm an employee affected by it, but I'm still not quite sure how it will work (and I've seen the paperwork on it, my bosses are on top of things). For example, how do you give a substitute teacher sick time? Then you're finding a sub for a sub? Or part time retail employees who need a surgery- if they know ahead of time, they probably wouldn't be scheduled, so how many hours sick pay do they get?

It makes sense, and I think ultimately it's a good thing, but it would probably also benefit from a second avenue to redeeming benefits if your employer already has work arounds for the issue that don't involve sick pay. Like I could cash out my pick pay once a year if I didn't use it, because I had more notice so they didn't schedule me.

[giramomma]

Jul 5, 2017 20:28:03 GMT -5 simser said:

It's an interesting thing. I'm an employee affected by it, but I'm still not quite sure how it will work (and I've seen the paperwork on it, my bosses are on top of things). For example, how do you give a substitute teacher sick time? Then you're finding a sub for a sub?

In our parts...a short term sub is considered a contract worker..From the article it says employees are granted time off, NOT contract workers. Long term subs are considered state workers in my parts (long term subs do sign contracts...) therefore, given this rule, they are also exempt because the new law doesn't apply to state workers.

So, either way, subs maybe a non-issue.

Or part time retail employees who need a surgery- if they know ahead of time, they probably wouldn't be scheduled, so how many hours sick pay do they get?

The article says 24 hours. Now, how that gets alloted, who knows.

And I'm sure types of surgery are vetted. When I had my gall bladder removed, I was still in the hospital for a night. I needed four days before I was back at work.

According to this article www.healthline.com/health/laparoscopy#procedure5, even after laparoscopic surgery, you need a follow up appointment and can require up to a week off. 

I do believe if an employer tries to manipulate the situation and not schedule you for, say two weeks, and not allow you to have any sick leave...they open themselves up to lawsuits.

[Deleted]

I was a "permanent" part-time worker at Macy's many years ago.  By that I mean that I had a permanent schedule with contributions to a 401K, vacation, etc.

We had PTO days.  In my case,  I had foot surgery.  So even though I only worked 3-4 days a week, a full week without pay would have hurt me.  So the PTO days allowed me to get paid for the week while I recuperated.

[tallguy]

From a link within the other linked article:

How much paid leave is required? That depends on how many employees a business or non-profit has. Those with 15 or more workers must provide at least 40 hours of paid time off annually. Those with fewer than 15 employees must provide a minimum of 24 hours per year.



The accrual rate is one hour of paid sick leave for every 30 hours worked, until the minimums are reached, said McKitterick. "It starts to accrue on the day of hire, the very first day."

It appears that an employee would accrue one hour of paid time off for every thirty hours worked.  Once the employee has reached the minimum of either 24 or 40 hours depending on the size of the company, the employer may not have to continue allowing more during that year.  A full-time employee working 40 hours per week at a small company would reach 24 accrued PTO hours after 720 hours worked for the year, which would likely be the middle of May.  That appears to be all the employer is mandated to give.  At a larger business the employee would reach 40 hours accrued PTO after working 1200 hours for the year.  That would likely be near the end of July.  An employer could presumably offer more if they wished, but my reading of the article leads me to believe that they only have to guarantee the minimum, assuming of course the employee works enough hours to accrue the minimum.  That would differ from Seattle's law which is a straight accrual per hour worked.    

[OldCoyote]

Jul 5, 2017 16:25:17 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I think son gets 1 day off now for every day he works, seems like that is what he said.

Where can I get a job like that!

[tallguy]

Jul 5, 2017 21:38:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jul 5, 2017 16:25:17 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I think son gets 1 day off now for every day he works, seems like that is what he said.

Where can I get a job like that!

Easy!  Own a business!   

[OldCoyote]

For me it made no difference, Even it is not written policy,  I pay holidays,

If I wanted to get picky, the paid holidays would now become paid time off.

I made up paychecks this morning, I add one hour of regular time to his check, listed it as PTO.

[OldCoyote]

Jul 5, 2017 21:43:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 5, 2017 21:38:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Where can I get a job like that!

Easy!  Own a business!   

Tallguy, I don't know what you do, do you own a business?

[mroped]

Jul 5, 2017 21:49:46 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

For me it made no difference, Even it is not written policy,  I pay holidays,

If I wanted to get picky, the paid holidays would now become paid time off.

I made up paychecks this morning, I add one hour of regular time to his check, listed it as PTO.

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't it mandatory that you pay five national hollydays?
Or maybe just in some states?!
Christmas, Easter, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thankgiving

Sick days or personal days are not part of that package.

[tallguy]

Jul 5, 2017 21:52:14 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jul 5, 2017 21:43:17 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Easy!  Own a business!   

Tallguy, I don't know what you do, do you own a business?

No, but it doesn't matter.  You as a business owner could easily take a day off for every day you work.  Now if you want to get PAID for any of those days, that might be a different story!   

[dee27]

Jul 5, 2017 22:02:21 GMT -5 mroped said:

Jul 5, 2017 21:49:46 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

For me it made no difference, Even it is not written policy,  I pay holidays,

If I wanted to get picky, the paid holidays would now become paid time off.

I made up paychecks this morning, I add one hour of regular time to his check, listed it as PTO.

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't it mandatory that you pay five national hollydays?
Or maybe just in some states?!
Christmas, Easter, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thankgiving

Sick days or personal days are not part of that package.

This link provides the answer. fitsmallbusiness.com/holiday-pay-policy/
Below, we’ve listed these 6 holidays. We’ve also shown the percentages of US employers which, according to the Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM), provide these days off (although not necessarily paid).



New Year’s Day (January 1st) – 95% of employers provide this day off

Memorial Day (3rd Monday in May) – 94%

Independence Day (July 4th) – 76%

Labor Day (1st Monday in September) – 95%

Thanksgiving Day (4th Thursday in November) – 97%

Christmas Day (December 25th) – 97%

From www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/holiday
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not require payment for time not worked, such as vacations or holidays (federal or otherwise). These benefits are generally a matter of agreement between an employer and an employee (or the employee's representative).
On a government contract to which the labor standards of the McNamara O'Hara Service Contract Act (SCA) apply, holiday and/or vacation fringe benefit requirements are stated in the SCA wage determinations in contracts that exceed $2,500.
See link for more info.

[OldCoyote]

Jul 5, 2017 22:02:21 GMT -5 mroped said:

Jul 5, 2017 21:49:46 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

For me it made no difference, Even it is not written policy,  I pay holidays,

If I wanted to get picky, the paid holidays would now become paid time off.

I made up paychecks this morning, I add one hour of regular time to his check, listed it as PTO.

Maybe I'm wrong but isn't it mandatory that you pay five national hollydays?
Or maybe just in some states?!
Christmas, Easter, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thankgiving

Sick days or personal days are not part of that package.

Not in AZ!

[OldCoyote]

Jul 5, 2017 22:08:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jul 5, 2017 21:52:14 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Tallguy, I don't know what you do, do you own a business?

No, but it doesn't matter.  You as a business owner could easily take a day off for every day you work.  Now if you want to get PAID for any of those days, that might be a different story!   

The difference now is I work for fifty bosses not just one,  they are even more demanding!

[tallguy]

Jul 5, 2017 22:17:20 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Jul 5, 2017 22:08:29 GMT -5 tallguy said:

No, but it doesn't matter.  You as a business owner could easily take a day off for every day you work.  Now if you want to get PAID for any of those days, that might be a different story!   

The difference now is I work for fifty bosses not just one,  they are even more demanding!

No, you just let them take advantage of you.  Do I need to link any of the threads?   

[simser]

Jul 5, 2017 21:19:03 GMT -5 giramomma said:

In our parts...a short term sub is considered a contract worker..From the article it says employees are granted time off, NOT contract workers. Long term subs are considered state workers in my parts (long term subs do sign contracts...) therefore, given this rule, they are also exempt because the new law doesn't apply to state workers.

So, either way, subs maybe a non-issue.


The article says 24 hours. Now, how that gets alloted, who knows.

And I'm sure types of surgery are vetted. When I had my gall bladder removed, I was still in the hospital for a night. I needed four days before I was back at work.

According to this article www.healthline.com/health/laparoscopy#procedure5, even after laparoscopic surgery, you need a follow up appointment and can require up to a week off. 

I do believe if an employer tries to manipulate the situation and not schedule you for, say two weeks, and not allow you to have any sick leave...they open themselves up to lawsuits.

So my dad runs a small school and is trying to figure out the sub thing now.

And I'm in a very seasonal part time job, so I had all of last month off, but I may work 20 hours a week in February. I work 1:1 with people so it's really impactful if I'm not there. My bosses are really good about working around our schedules, so it's second nature to them to not schedule us when we need the time off.

Anyways, since I know my owners, I know it'll be a headache for them. I'm not so worried about their bottom line (they make a lot more money than i do, and I just calculated it to be an $8500/year expense based on how many of us there are and the max amount someone could make) but the headache will suck. It would be way easier to have sick time if needed (and sometimes we do but that headache is the same either way) but not to worry about te surgery and planned stuff issues.

[mroped]

I've always paid these 5 days on the condition that there is more then 90 days employement to and worked the day before and the day after the holiday, one week vacation after 11 months of straight work and personal days depending on individual contract.
Unfortunately, not too many of my former employees made it too far. Many quit before too long and some that make it to fall/winter, are not returning in the spring due to unprectibility of worked hours, the seasonal nature of the job and in many cases the hard conditions of work. There have also been some that I personally sugested that they look elsewhere for a different job since they don't seem to have what is required to be a stone mason.

[countrygirl2]

I stated that wrong, said son got off a day for every day worked, jeez where did I get that?

It's 1 for every 10 now due to seniority and time worked. He carried over his seniority

from the military to the dod. I may not even have that right.

[OldCoyote]

Jul 6, 2017 5:58:46 GMT -5 mroped said:

I've always paid these 5 days on the condition that there is more then 90 days employement to and worked the day before and the day after the holiday, one week vacation after 11 months of straight work and personal days depending on individual contract.
Unfortunately, not too many of my former employees made it too far. Many quit before too long and some that make it to fall/winter, are not returning in the spring due to unprectibility of worked hours, the seasonal nature of the job and in many cases the hard conditions of work. There have also been some that I personally sugested that they look elsewhere for a different job since they don't seem to have what is required to be a stone mason.

You better be careful here, you will get a lecture on how you will be sued over your bad attitude!