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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 25, 2017 20:35:27 GMT -5
I can't believe the fucker did it. I can. I fully expected him to. One POS pats another on tne back. So did I, especially considering that he has been so busy going after everyone else that the judiciary was way overdue to get flipped the bird by him. After all this WAS a conviction for contempt of court!!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 25, 2017 21:46:28 GMT -5
This most certainly does not make me happy!
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 25, 2017 21:57:48 GMT -5
Oh! The HORROR!
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Gardening Grandma
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 25, 2017 22:00:19 GMT -5
One racist pardons another. White Power in action.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 25, 2017 22:18:27 GMT -5
One racist pardons another. White Power in action. My initial reaction was a little different. One worthless, disgusting POS pardons another. Perhaps a subtle distinction, but one I think should be made.
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 25, 2017 22:20:20 GMT -5
One racist pardons another. White Power in action. Thine grapes art sourly eaten. Enjoy that karma!!!!!
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 25, 2017 23:02:52 GMT -5
why not wait til a Friday night when there's a category 4 hurricane approaching landfall to drop a bomb? Arpaio pardoned Yep the Filth-in-Chief was just sitting around waiting for the Hurricane to hit so he can have his photo op pretending to care about the people of Texas to make himself look good he had to keep himself busy by pardoning another piece of filth and banning those transgenders from the military. There are just not enough ugly words in the English language to describe this scumbag waste of oxygen.
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Post by irishpad on Aug 25, 2017 23:12:12 GMT -5
At least he did make the declaration.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 25, 2017 23:14:37 GMT -5
At least he did make the declaration. Padre I don't get it? What declaration?
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Gardening Grandma
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 25, 2017 23:24:12 GMT -5
why not wait til a Friday night when there's a category 4 hurricane approaching landfall to drop a bomb? Arpaio pardoned Yep the Filth-in-Chief was just sitting around waiting for the Hurricane to hit so he can have his photo op pretending to care about the people of Texas to make himself look good he had to keep himself busy by pardoning another piece of filth and banning those transgenders from the military. There are just not enough ugly words in the English language to describe this scumbag waste of oxygen. And not a word about the ten sailors who died in the line of duty.....
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 25, 2017 23:27:40 GMT -5
Yep the Filth-in-Chief was just sitting around waiting for the Hurricane to hit so he can have his photo op pretending to care about the people of Texas to make himself look good he had to keep himself busy by pardoning another piece of filth and banning those transgenders from the military. There are just not enough ugly words in the English language to describe this scumbag waste of oxygen. And not a word about the ten sailors who died in the line of duty..... IKR!! Forgot about that.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 25, 2017 23:31:12 GMT -5
Look at the bright side.... Arpaio is not being pardoned from guilt . Now Arpaio is open to civil suits for numerous civil rights violations. He has little to no defense. John McCain @senjohnmccain .@potus's pardon of Joe Arpaio, who illegally profiled Latinos, undermines his claim for the respect of rule of law www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=3B0E692D-FFEB-4F6C-ADF9-C3F598E94D2ASee: Harvard Law Review- www.jstor.org/stable/1326170?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contentsSee Also: www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#18"The presumption, then, is that someone offered a pardon naturally will accept it; why not if it is so easy and the President wants to grant it? The Supreme Court supplied a reason not to accept a pardon just over 100 years ago, in 1915, writing that a person who accepts such pardon is confessing guilt because a pardon carries an imputation of guilt. In other words, the person offered the pardon actually may reject the pardon from the President because he or she does not wish to admit guilt, even if accepting the pardon would extinguish any penalties related to the alleged crime. A nd, a presidential pardon does not erase or expunge the records of a conviction. So, an individual’s criminal history record will reflect both a conviction, if there is one, and the pardon."
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 25, 2017 23:36:40 GMT -5
Arpiao probably wasn't going to get any jail time anyway. So likely the pardon did not save him from jail. But he is now wide open to civil rights lawsuits from here on. trump may not have done him much of a favor. Made his racist base happy though.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 30, 2017 16:46:42 GMT -5
OldCoyote - Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction standsU.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton canceled former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's upcoming sentencing hearing for his criminal contempt-of-court conviction, telling attorneys not to file replies to motions that were pending before his recent presidential pardon. However, Bolton on Tuesday stopped short of throwing out the conviction based solely on Arpaio's request. Instead she ordered Arpaio and the U.S. Department of Justice, which is prosecuting the case, to file briefs on why she should or shouldn't grant Arpaio's request. Arpaio's attorneys asked Bolton on Monday to vacate Arpaio's conviction in light of President Donald Trump's Friday pardon. Bolton has scheduled oral arguments on the matter for Oct. 4, the day before Arpaio was supposed to be sentenced. There is case law that says a pardon implies an admission of guilt, and that will have to be argued in open court. Mark Goldman, one of Arpaio's attorneys, said, "We look forward to the hearing, and hope that the court will make the appropriate ruling. The verdict should have been set aside by the court already and prior to the pardon for the reason that it was never delivered to Sheriff Arpaio in open court, but instead sent to his attorneys via email, thus violating his constitutional rights to a public trial and to participate in his trial." Complete article here. Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction stands
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 30, 2017 16:57:56 GMT -5
Tenn, I was just reading that same article. So Arpaio's name (and deeds, along with those of his deputies) will be making news again - in great detail. People who have not paid much attention will be reading about all the heinous things he did or allowed to be done.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 30, 2017 17:04:16 GMT -5
I guess he will be in turmoil until he dies. That is his punishment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 30, 2017 17:21:29 GMT -5
I guess he will be in turmoil until he dies. That is his punishment. based on his public behavior, i think it is right to assume that repentance won't be. that would certainly be preferred: that he admit his guilt, and repent. a lifelong affliction by those who will challenge that will have to suffice.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 30, 2017 17:51:53 GMT -5
I guess he will be in turmoil until he dies. That is his punishment. based on his public behavior, i think it is right to assume that repentance won't be. that would certainly be preferred: that he admit his guilt, and repent. a lifelong affliction by those who will challenge that will have to suffice. I am not expecting to see an epiphany from him realizing he is a racist son-of-a-bitch who made people's lives hell for no good reason. His final words will be "white power."
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 30, 2017 19:31:02 GMT -5
OldCoyote - Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction standsU.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton canceled former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's upcoming sentencing hearing for his criminal contempt-of-court conviction, telling attorneys not to file replies to motions that were pending before his recent presidential pardon. However, Bolton on Tuesday stopped short of throwing out the conviction based solely on Arpaio's request. Instead she ordered Arpaio and the U.S. Department of Justice, which is prosecuting the case, to file briefs on why she should or shouldn't grant Arpaio's request. Arpaio's attorneys asked Bolton on Monday to vacate Arpaio's conviction in light of President Donald Trump's Friday pardon.Bolton has scheduled oral arguments on the matter for Oct. 4, the day before Arpaio was supposed to be sentenced. There is case law that says a pardon implies an admission of guilt, and that will have to be argued in open court. Mark Goldman, one of Arpaio's attorneys, said, "We look forward to the hearing, and hope that the court will make the appropriate ruling. The verdict should have been set aside by the court already and prior to the pardon for the reason that it was never delivered to Sheriff Arpaio in open court, but instead sent to his attorneys via email, thus violating his constitutional rights to a public trial and to participate in his trial." Complete article here. Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction stands I am more than slightly confused by the bolded above. If this judgement is vacated wouldn't that also vacate the pardon? And does that mean that he could be prosecuted and convicted again or would that fall under double jeopardy? Also, if the judgement is vacated wouldn't that also "pardon" dt from the blatant disregard of the law he has shown?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:40:07 GMT -5
I think it's way of trying to get around the 'guilty' part of the pardon that GG was talking about.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 30, 2017 19:41:28 GMT -5
OldCoyote - Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction standsU.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton canceled former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's upcoming sentencing hearing for his criminal contempt-of-court conviction, telling attorneys not to file replies to motions that were pending before his recent presidential pardon. However, Bolton on Tuesday stopped short of throwing out the conviction based solely on Arpaio's request. Instead she ordered Arpaio and the U.S. Department of Justice, which is prosecuting the case, to file briefs on why she should or shouldn't grant Arpaio's request. Arpaio's attorneys asked Bolton on Monday to vacate Arpaio's conviction in light of President Donald Trump's Friday pardon.Bolton has scheduled oral arguments on the matter for Oct. 4, the day before Arpaio was supposed to be sentenced. There is case law that says a pardon implies an admission of guilt, and that will have to be argued in open court. Mark Goldman, one of Arpaio's attorneys, said, "We look forward to the hearing, and hope that the court will make the appropriate ruling. The verdict should have been set aside by the court already and prior to the pardon for the reason that it was never delivered to Sheriff Arpaio in open court, but instead sent to his attorneys via email, thus violating his constitutional rights to a public trial and to participate in his trial." Complete article here. Joe Arpaio saga isn't over: Judge to decide if his conviction stands I am more than slightly confused by the bolded above. If this judgement is vacated wouldn't that also vacate the pardon? And does that mean that he could be prosecuted and convicted again or would that fall under double jeopardy? Also, if the judgement is vacated wouldn't that also "pardon" dt from the blatant disregard of the law he has shown? It wouldn't pardon trump from the criticism he justly deserved. It also would not pardon trump from any action Congress may take against him. I don't think Arpaio could be tried again for the same charges. But if there are other things for which he could be charged which were not part of the original charges and trial, that is a possibility. One of the things a person being pardoned by the president must do before a pardon is granted is to be sorry for their crime. trump bypassed that and Arpaio is not sorry for the crimes for which he was fairly convicted. So it's back to being messy.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 31, 2017 11:24:48 GMT -5
I talked to a guy last night that knows the judge. He says she is fair and not politically motivated. No lawyers (So far) know what is going to happen. But, most of them are pissed now that the president is messing with their branch of government.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 4, 2017 16:45:30 GMT -5
ALL The 'I's have been dotted and the 'T's crossed. Good job trump. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against Arpaio
A federal judge in Phoenix presiding over the criminal case against former sheriff Joe Arpaio has now fully accepted President Trump's pardon, clearing Arpaio of his criminal record. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton dismissed the verdict on Wednesday and will consider the additional requests from Arpaio's defense lawyers to clear him of any other court orders or rulings associated with the case, AZ Central reports. Bolton had previously asked for further legal argumentation from Justice Department prosecutors who said it would be "just and appropriate" that all of Arpaio's charges for contempt of the court should be withdrawn. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against ArpaioI can only imagine what trump will do if anyone close to him is indicted and convicted, especially anyone in his family. Not only will he pardon them but also demand the pope canonize them as saints. Of course the pope will tell trump to screw off.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 4, 2017 16:53:46 GMT -5
ALL The 'I's have been dotted and the 'T's crossed. Good job Trump. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against Arpaio
A federal judge in Phoenix presiding over the criminal case against former sheriff Joe Arpaio has now fully accepted President Trump's pardon, clearing Arpaio of his criminal record. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton dismissed the verdict on Wednesday and will consider the additional requests from Arpaio's defense lawyers to clear him of any other court orders or rulings associated with the case, AZ Central reports. Bolton had previously asked for further legal argumentation from Justice Department prosecutors who said it would be "just and appropriate" that all of Arpaio's charges for contempt of the court should be withdrawn. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against ArpaioI can only imagine what Trump will do if anyone close to him is indicted and convicted, especially anyone in his family. Not only will he pardon them but also demand the pope canonize them as saints. Of course the pope will tell Trump to screw off. Does that close the door to civil suits? I'm not a lawyer, but guessing not.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 4, 2017 17:02:01 GMT -5
ALL The 'I's have been dotted and the 'T's crossed. Good job Trump. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against Arpaio
A federal judge in Phoenix presiding over the criminal case against former sheriff Joe Arpaio has now fully accepted President Trump's pardon, clearing Arpaio of his criminal record. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton dismissed the verdict on Wednesday and will consider the additional requests from Arpaio's defense lawyers to clear him of any other court orders or rulings associated with the case, AZ Central reports. Bolton had previously asked for further legal argumentation from Justice Department prosecutors who said it would be "just and appropriate" that all of Arpaio's charges for contempt of the court should be withdrawn. Judge dismisses guilty verdict against ArpaioI can only imagine what Trump will do if anyone close to him is indicted and convicted, especially anyone in his family. Not only will he pardon them but also demand the pope canonize them as saints. Of course the pope will tell Trump to screw off. Does that close the door to civil suits? I'm not a lawyer, but guessing not. Civil suits may have been going on for a while now. I am not sure if there are any current ones, but as of August this year, Arpaio and his illegal actions have cost the citizens of the county he served almost $70 million. Taxpayer tab up to $70M in Joe Arpaio racial-profiling case
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 4, 2017 17:06:45 GMT -5
From late August this year: Maricopa County supervisor suggests civil lawsuit against ArpaioHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - Former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio just received a pardon from President Trump, but that doesn't necessarily mean all his legal problems are behind him. "He may not be the Sheriff anymore, but we're still paying for his mistakes," said Maricopa County Supervisor Steve Gallardo. Gallardo wants the Board of Supervisors to consider going after Arpaio in civil court, to try and get back some of the money he's cost taxpayers as a direct result of his refusal to stop his immigration sweeps and defiance of a judge's order. "The taxpayers continue to have to pay for Sheriff Joe Arpaio's illegal actions," said Gallardo. "He violated not only the court order, he violated the constitutional rights of many in this county, and should he held responsible." Gallardo claims that Arpaio has cost tax payers $92 million and because of his actions the county has been forced to hire federal monitors, provide additional training, pay attorney's fees and buy new equipment. Maricopa County supervisor suggests civil lawsuit against Arpaio
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