HOUSE VOTES TO REPEAL OBAMACARE

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/05/04/congress-health-care-bill/

The Senate will soon follow suit, and President Donald J. Trump will finally sign the long overdue repeal of the ObamaCare nightmare

[chiver78]

[Gardening Grandma]

Ah yes, the nightmare of actually being able to get health insurance, and resulting healthcare.  The nightmare of children being allowed to stay on their parents' policies until age 26. The nightmare of pre-existing conditions not standing in the way of obtaining a policy.  Although I noted the House exempted themselves on that one...

I'm waiting to see how the adults vote.

[billisonboard]

I thought they voted to replace the ACA.  With what, anyone know for sure?

[Gardening Grandma]

With what, anyone know for sure?

With TrumpDontCare

[countrygirl2]

I would hide in a corner instead of celebrating this. A very sad day for the poor folks of our country and all of us.

Sounds like now employer insurance will drop a lot more too and also guess what, premiums are going to raise

a bunch.

Yeah a real win, only thing people like Paul will have this care also. Don't want to hear one word when you or

yours get very ill and need good insurance.

This should be a shameful day of our history.

[movingforward]

Yes, and it will affect MANY of the Trump voters. I am trying to muster up some sympathy but having a hard time. They put him in office so now they own him.

We were just talking in our office over lunch today about how we have never felt this uneasy regarding our nation before. It is getting downright scary. I am getting my passport updated tomorrow. This executive order scares me and we are only 4 months into his Presidency.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-executive-order-targets-birth-control-church-involvement-in-politics/ar-BBAIp7P?ocid=SL5IDHP

[giramomma]

May 4, 2017 15:27:47 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Yes, and it will effect MANY of the Trump voters.

www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/obamacare-pre-existing-conditions/index.html

Those states with the most folks that have pre-existing conditions all voted for trump.

I hope more think tanks come out with numbers...because this should make people worry

"House Republican leaders have been presenting the latest Affordable Health Care Act plan as a deal: In exchange for moderate Republicans in the House backing (an earlier revision to the legislation), they sink more money into high-risk pools. But as often happens in trade-offs, there would be winners and losers," wrote the center's health economist, Emily Gee, and vice president Topher Spiro. "Even if the Upton amendment wins votes, the staggeringly large funding gap could leave many Americans with pre-existing conditions stranded outside the high-risk pool without affordable options for coverage."

According to the center's data, a person with metastic cancer would have a surcharge of $140,510 while a person with lung, brain or other severe cancers would have a surcharge of $71,880. An enrollee with breast, kidney or colorectal cancer would have a $28,230 surcharge.
The surcharge for a person with diabetes without complications would be $5,510, while someone with major depressive and bipolar disorders would have a $8,370 surcharge.

www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/cap-upton-amendment-health-care/index.html

[sesfw]

To quote Pelosi ............. You have to pass the bill to know what is in it

[ken a.k.a OMK]

May 4, 2017 14:55:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/05/04/congress-health-care-bill/

The Senate will soon follow suit, and President Donald J. Trump will finally sign the long overdue repeal of the ObamaCare nightmare

[Gardening Grandma]

May 4, 2017 15:34:26 GMT -5 giramomma said:

May 4, 2017 15:27:47 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Yes, and it will effect MANY of the Trump voters.

www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/obamacare-pre-existing-conditions/index.html

Those states with the most folks that have pre-existing conditions all voted for trump.

I hope more think tanks come out with numbers...because this should make people worry

"House Republican leaders have been presenting the latest Affordable Health Care Act plan as a deal: In exchange for moderate Republicans in the House backing (an earlier revision to the legislation), they sink more money into high-risk pools. But as often happens in trade-offs, there would be winners and losers," wrote the center's health economist, Emily Gee, and vice president Topher Spiro. "Even if the Upton amendment wins votes, the staggeringly large funding gap could leave many Americans with pre-existing conditions stranded outside the high-risk pool without affordable options for coverage."

According to the center's data, a person with metastic cancer would have a surcharge of $140,510 while a person with lung, brain or other severe cancers would have a surcharge of $71,880. An enrollee with breast, kidney or colorectal cancer would have a $28,230 surcharge.
The surcharge for a person with diabetes without complications would be $5,510, while someone with major depressive and bipolar disorders would have a $8,370 surcharge.

www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/cap-upton-amendment-health-care/index.html

I simply cannot muster up any sympathy for people who are getting exactly what they voted for.  I care very much about those who opposed him, and will suffer  

[siralynn]

Too bad I had to have c-sections. I didn't do the right thing and live a good life, so now I have a pre-existing condition.

[Rob Base 2.0]

It won't go through the senate. If by some miracle it does they will change it and then house won't agree during reconciliation.

Either way it will be just as messed up as it is now or even worse when all is said and done.

[Tennesseer]

The Senate states the House bill is dead in the water and they will write their own.


Senate GOP to Snub House Obamacare Repeal Bill and Write Its Own

Several key Senate Republicans said they will set aside the narrowly passed House health-care bill and write their own version instead, a sign of how difficult it will be to deliver on seven years of promises to repeal Obamacare.

Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, who chairs the Senate health committee, and Roy Blunt of Missouri, a member of GOP leadership, both described the plan, even as the House was celebrating passing its repeal after weeks of back and forth. The decision will likely delay even further the prospect of any repeal bill reaching President Donald Trump’s desk.

Senate GOP to Snub House Obamacare Repeal Bill and Write Its Own

[chiver78]

that's farther than they have gotten since all the whining started when the ACA became law. 

[giramomma]

What a shitty situation.

You don't know you are a CF carrier and you and your mate make a baby that has CF...

You don't have the choice to terminate.

You also run the risk of not being able to pay for care, because CF is a pre-existing condition, and insurance doesn't have to cover it.

Really. I'd like to know what's so good about this? 

Weren't conservatives so worried about death panels? How is this better?

Oh, wait, I know how it's better. Only the upper middle class and wealthy will be able to afford to have kids.

[Tennesseer]

Winners and losers of House bill:

Winners:
High income earners
Upper-middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions
Young, middle-class people without pre-existing health conditions
People who wish to go without insurance
People who want less comprehensive health coverage
Large employers
Medical device companies, indoor tanning companies and a few other medical industries


Losers:
Poor People
Older Americans, in most states
People with pre-existing health conditions, particularly in some states
State governments
Hospitals

Who Wins and Who Loses in the Latest G.O.P. Health Care Bill

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 4, 2017 16:15:16 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

that's farther than they have gotten since all the whining started when the ACA became law. 

I thought they actually did get a repeal through to President Obama. Not sure when.

CBO scoring on this is due out next week sometime.

[weltschmerz]

May 4, 2017 15:59:50 GMT -5 siralynn said:

Too bad I had to have c-sections. I didn't do the right thing and live a good life, so now I have a pre-existing condition.

I know, eh? Can you believe he had the unmitigated gall to say such a thing?
Evidently, sick people are bad people who led bad lives.

[Value Buy]

May 4, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 4, 2017 15:59:50 GMT -5 siralynn said:

Too bad I had to have c-sections. I didn't do the right thing and live a good life, so now I have a pre-existing condition.

I know, eh? Can you believe he had the unmitigated gall to say such a thing?
Evidently, sick people are bad people who led bad lives.

Evidently I missed the memo of pre-existing conditions.
My local news outlet stated they were covered in the House bill.

[Wisconsin Beth]

14 of the Representatives who were Yes votes are from areas that voted for Hillary. And there's a moderate Republican from Florida who has announced she's not running in 2018.

[giramomma]

May 4, 2017 17:29:20 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 4, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I know, eh? Can you believe he had the unmitigated gall to say such a thing?
Evidently, sick people are bad people who led bad lives.

Evidently I missed the memo of pre-existing conditions.
My local news outlet stated they were covered in the House bill.

nymag.com/thecut/2017/05/under-new-healthcare-bill-rape-is-a-pre-existing-condition.html

The new MacArthur-Meadows Amendment will allow states to discriminate based on medical history, reportedly without addressing the subsequent high cost of health care for millions of Americans.

In addition to rape, postpartum depression, cesarean sections, and surviving domestic violence are all considered preexisting conditions. Companies can also deny coverage for gynecological services and mammograms.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/under-the-new-healthcare-bill-rape-could-be-a-pre-existing-condition_us_590b3773e4b0bb2d0875ea54

time.com/money/4763609/pre-existing-conditions-ahca/


Can you imagine having to foot the entire bill from medical treatment and mental treatment because you were raped and insurance and your state decides they don't need to cover it.

But, of course, it's because the victims deserve it, right?

[giramomma]

Societal progress, indeed.

[Gardening Grandma]

Unde the current bill, rape is a pre existing condition....

An amendment in the GOP health-care-reform bill will allow states to deny coverage for preexisting conditions, including sexual assault.

Pre-Obamacare rape survivors who sought treatment for their injuries could be denied health care later on. Under Obamacare, preexisting conditions were guaranteed to receive coverage — among them, sexual assault. The American Health Care Act is going to change that.

nymag.com

[Value Buy]

"But, of course, it's because the victims deserve it, right?"

Nope.

When I quoted the post, it did not copy the original post that Weltz replied to. She talked about c-sections.

about an hour ago siralynn said:

Too bad I had to have c-sections. I didn't do the right thing and live a good life, so now I have a pre-existing condition.


This was what I was questioning.
Your references also are op-ed opinion pieces that say might happen. One example posted in the op-ed was from 2002. There was no Obamacare. Let's pass the bill and see.
That argument was good enough for the democrats then, it sh/be good enough for them now. As it is, Obamacare failed under it's own weight due to cost. Something had to be done, and just throwing hundreds of billions more at the problem is not the answer.

[chiver78]

May 4, 2017 16:37:56 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 4, 2017 16:15:16 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

that's farther than they have gotten since all the whining started when the ACA became law. 

I thought they actually did get a repeal through to President Obama. Not sure when.

CBO scoring on this is due out next week sometime.

no, I was referring to the Senate GOP crew actually putting something together. for all the bitching and moaning they all did, you'd think they would have had something ready to go January 20th. 

[Phoenix84]

May 4, 2017 15:00:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Ah yes, the nightmare of actually being able to get health insurance, and resulting healthcare.  The nightmare of children being allowed to stay on their parents' policies until age 26. The nightmare of pre-existing conditions not standing in the way of obtaining a policy.  Although I noted the House exempted themselves on that one...

I'm waiting to see how the adults vote.

The provision allowing adult children to stay in parents plan until /6 is still in place. In addition, the house passed a bill that will NOT exempt thei health plans from the new healthcare law.

Just setting the record straight.

[busymom]

May 4, 2017 17:56:32 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

May 4, 2017 15:00:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Ah yes, the nightmare of actually being able to get health insurance, and resulting healthcare.  The nightmare of children being allowed to stay on their parents' policies until age 26. The nightmare of pre-existing conditions not standing in the way of obtaining a policy.  Although I noted the House exempted themselves on that one...

I'm waiting to see how the adults vote.

The provision allowing adult children to stay in parents plan until /6 is still in place. In addition, the house passed a bill that will NOT exempt thei health plans from the new healthcare law.

Just setting the record straight.

   But, the "new" plan is going to have huge premium increases for Americans in their 50's & 60's.  I know a LOT of folks in that age group that are already in trouble financially, due to job losses, & not being able to find anything close to their former earning level.  So, this plan is going to screw with them some more?!?    What a horrible way to burn the middle class.

[mmhmm]

Word coming out of the Senate indicates they won't even vote on this bill from the House. They're going to develop their own bill. Curiouser and curiouser, said the spider to the fly.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The American Health Care Act (HR 1628) passed by the House today reduces taxes by $1 Trillion dollars:

-Abolishes the Obamacare Individual Mandate Tax which hits 8 million Americans each year.

-Abolishes the Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax. Together with repeal of the Individual Mandate Tax repeal this is a $270 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Medicine Cabinet Tax which hits 20 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts and 30 million Americans with Flexible Spending Accounts. This is a $6 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Flexible Spending Account tax on 30 million Americans. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Chronic Care Tax on 10 million Americans with high out of pocket medical expenses. This is a $126 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s HSA withdrawal tax. This is a $100 million tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s 10% excise tax on small businesses with indoor tanning services. This is a $600 million tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare health insurance tax. This is a $145 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare 3.8% surtax on investment income. This is a $172 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare medical device tax. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on prescription medicine. This is a $28 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on retiree prescription drug coverage. This is a $2 billion tax cut.

Read more: www.atr.org/list-obamacare-taxes-repealed#ixzz4g9oiNeIk