Man Put Injured Dog Down With A Sledge Hammer.

[OldCoyote]

ktar.com/story/1538036/phoenix-man-arrested-euthanizing-dog-sledgehammer/ 

Now Arrested!!

Right? Wrong?

[billisonboard]

Those who investigated the case felt that charges should be filled. I don't think I have enough information to say they are wrong.

[zibazinski]

This is awful.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Let's just say I wouldn't mind having a sledge hammer and a few minutes alone with this guy.  I realize that sometimes people have to put down animals - it's pretty common on farms - but they don't do it with a hammer in front of their kids.

[moon/Laura]

I haven't read the story and don't plan to because I'm sickened just by the thought of what the poor dog went through.

Charges, just based on my opinion, hell yes. There are way more humane ways of taking care of it than what he chose.

[Rob Base 2.0]

I'm not going to read the story, because what you described sounds bad enough already

were they in the middle of no where? Because usually there is an Animal Hospital no more than 10 minutes from most locations.......drive the dog there and put it down humanely if necessary

[Virgil Showlion]

Tough call.

I'm leaning towards "no charges filed", but it would depend on how badly injured the animal was.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Apr 21, 2017 8:07:23 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

I'm not going to read the story, because what you described sounds bad enough already

were they in the middle of no where? Because usually there is an Animal Hospital no more than 10 minutes from most locations.......drive the dog there and put it down humanely if necessary

That's what I would do but now you'll hear "What if he couldn't afford it?" If you can't afford to properly care for pets - don't have them. Simple as that.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Even if he couldn't afford to put the dog down at the vet/shelter there are still faster/more humane ways to do it than a sledgehammer.   While DH has never put a dog down he's put animals caught in traps down by shooting them before.  

[Tennesseer]

As the dog was not his property, had he brought it to a vet hospital to be euthanized, I imagine the vet would have put it down for free.  I cannot imagine a vet hospital turning away a badly injured animal just because a good samaritan brought it to their hospital to have it put out of its misery.

Bad press for a vet hospital.  Bad press.

[moon/Laura]

Apr 21, 2017 8:53:03 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Tough call.

I'm leaning towards "no charges filed", but it would depend on how badly injured the animal was.

Again, haven't read the article and don't intend to. But putting an animal down that way - regardless of how injured it was to begin with - is cruel. That deserves charges if nothing else. or don't you feel it was cruel?

[Tennesseer]

Apr 21, 2017 8:07:23 GMT -5 Rob Base 2.0 said:

I'm not going to read the story, because what you described sounds bad enough already

were they in the middle of no where? Because usually there is an Animal Hospital no more than 10 minutes from most locations.......drive the dog there and put it down humanely if necessary

I know you did not open/read the article. This occured in Phoenix. So plenty of vets in the city.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'll have to ask our vet but I believe they will take your dog rather than have it suffer.

And even if that was not an option and he didn't own a gun I can think of two other ways the dog could have been put down quickly with a knife.   DH used to hunt/trap and takes putting animals out of their misery as quick as possible very seriously.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I missed the part where it wasn't even his damn dog.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Apr 21, 2017 8:53:03 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Tough call.

I'm leaning towards "no charges filed", but it would depend on how badly injured the animal was.

You have to be drunk as a skunk to lean that far in the wrong direction. How exactly do you come to "no charges" when the dude went to a neighbor's porch and killed a neighbor's dog with a sledgehammer...in front of kids?

I was pissed off when I thought it was his own dog. Now I'm seething.

[Cookies Galore]

Reading that story makes me want to vomit. He murdered that poor dog!

[MJ2.0]

that's not "putting a dog down". That's "taking a sledgehammer to a dog's head".

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I did not read the story because if I do it's going to stick with me all day long.   It wasn't even his dog?!

If you take a sledgehammer to my dog's head you're going to be lucky if I don't do the same thing to you.   It's not anyone else's place to decide if my dog needs to be put down.  If you truly believe that I am behaving in an inhumane manner then you call your local animal welfare/animal control office and let them investigate.

Only a psycho would go onto someone else's property and beat a dog to death with a sledgehammer.  

[Tennesseer]

Apr 21, 2017 10:08:31 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I did not read the story because if I do it's going to stick with me all day long.   It wasn't even his dog?!

If you take a sledgehammer to my dog's head you're going to be lucky if I don't do the same thing to you.   It's not anyone else's place to decide if my dog needs to be put down.  If you truly believe that I am behaving in an inhumane manner then you call your local animal welfare/animal control office and let them investigate.

Only a psycho would go onto someone else's property and beat a dog to death with a sledgehammer.  

For those not opening the article, the dog was apparently hit in the street by a car of two and one of its legs badly injured. The dog made its way to its owner's front porch. The guy who killed it was a neighbor.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Apr 21, 2017 10:15:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 21, 2017 10:08:31 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I did not read the story because if I do it's going to stick with me all day long.   It wasn't even his dog?!

If you take a sledgehammer to my dog's head you're going to be lucky if I don't do the same thing to you.   It's not anyone else's place to decide if my dog needs to be put down.  If you truly believe that I am behaving in an inhumane manner then you call your local animal welfare/animal control office and let them investigate.

Only a psycho would go onto someone else's property and beat a dog to death with a sledgehammer.  

For those not opening the article, the dog was apparently hit in the street by a car of two and one of its legs badly injured. The dog made its way to its owner's front porch. The guy who killed it was a neighbor.

You still don't bash a dog's head in with a freaking sledgehammer!  If the neighbor was not home you bundle up the dog and take it to the freaking vet.

A dog can survive being hit by a car.   BIL's lab got hit by a car and the worst he had was some broken ribs.  Dog lived a long life after that for a lab I want to say he was about 15 years old when he died.    A badly injured leg does not mean the dog needs to be put down.  It absolutely does not need it's head bashed in with a sledgehammer!

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 21, 2017 9:13:11 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Apr 21, 2017 8:53:03 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Tough call.

I'm leaning towards "no charges filed", but it would depend on how badly injured the animal was.

Again, haven't read the article and don't intend to. But putting an animal down that way - regardless of how injured it was to begin with - is cruel. That deserves charges if nothing else. or don't you feel it was cruel?

Again it depends on how badly the animal was injured. If it was on its last legs, in agony simply by moving it, a blow or two with a sledgehammer strikes me as the most humane way of putting it out of its misery short of shooting it in the head, which Mr. Lawrence may not have been able to do legally due to laws about discharging firearms in populated areas.

But seeing as it wasn't his animal, it would have to be pretty badly hurt to justify not taking it to a vet.

I don't see it as a case of cruelty (I believe Mr. Lawrence legitimately felt he was doing right by the animal) so much as I see it as a case of potentially bad judgment. Unfortunately I think the charges against Mr. Lawrence will be a function of how loud the dog owners scream rather than a function of whether Mr. Lawrence judged rightly.

I'm also wary of judging people faced with these situations too harshly. It's one thing to say "Well I would have..." but when you're faced with the situation, the adrenaline is pumping, and every second you spend in contemplation is one more second of suffering for the animal, things aren't so black and white. I think America's jails are plenty full enough already.

[Green Eyed Lady]

It's not always a case of "you don't know till you face it".  It's especially true in this case. There is no way in hell I would have done this. None. Not because of adrenaline or whatever.  None.  Zero chance.

For Heaven's sake, would you take a sledge to your neighbor if he/she was suffering and it was unbearable?  Of course not.  Why would you do it to a dog?

I know someone is going to say there's a difference.  Not to me.  Of course, I'd choose a human life first (in almost every case) over a dog, but that wasn't the choice here.

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 21, 2017 10:42:48 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

It's not always a case of "you don't know till you face it".  It's especially true in this case. There is no way in hell I would have done this. None. Not because of adrenaline or whatever.  None.  Zero chance.

For Heaven's sake, would you take a sledge to your neighbor if he/she was suffering and it was unbearable?  Of course not.  Why would you do it to a dog?

I know someone is going to say there's a difference.  Not to me.  Of course, I'd choose a human life first (in almost every case) over a dog, but that wasn't the choice here.

I don't know any woman who'd ever brutally euthanize an animal, whether it needed it or not. You're not wired for it.

Except Weltz. Weltz is hard core. She euthanized her pet rat by driving over it with her car. Did what had to be done.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I would NEVER take a sledgehammer to a dog's head.  If it was in the middle of no where I would use a bullet.   If I am within city limits then a knife to the head will do the trick just fine.  There is no need to use a freaking sledgehammer.

God absolute worst case should you not be able to find or own a knife/gun then crush the dog's throat by stepping on it.  That's what DH did with a opossum that got run over in his yard.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Apr 21, 2017 10:47:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Apr 21, 2017 10:42:48 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

It's not always a case of "you don't know till you face it".  It's especially true in this case. There is no way in hell I would have done this. None. Not because of adrenaline or whatever.  None.  Zero chance.

For Heaven's sake, would you take a sledge to your neighbor if he/she was suffering and it was unbearable?  Of course not.  Why would you do it to a dog?

I know someone is going to say there's a difference.  Not to me.  Of course, I'd choose a human life first (in almost every case) over a dog, but that wasn't the choice here.

I don't know any woman who'd ever brutally euthanize an animal, whether it needed it or not. You're not wired for it.

Except Weltz. Weltz is hard core. She euthanized her pet rat by driving over it with her car. Did what had to be done.

I'm not a man so I don't know, but if men are, as you say, wired to brutally euthanize an animal, I'm glad I don't have one in my life (the man - not the animal).

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 21, 2017 10:47:50 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I would NEVER take a sledgehammer to a dog's head.  If it was in the middle of no where I would use a bullet.   If I am within city limits then a knife to the head will do the trick just fine.  There is no need to use a freaking sledgehammer.

God absolute worst case should you not be able to find or own a knife/gun then crush the dog's throat by stepping on it.  That's what DH did with a opossum that got run over in his yard.

A sledgehammer would be gorier, and is admittedly overkill, but it would guarantee death more quickly and effectively than any of the methods you describe. In particular, it would be extremely hard to screw it up, whereas all the methods you describe can go horribly wrong for somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 21, 2017 10:21:32 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Apr 21, 2017 10:15:59 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

For those not opening the article, the dog was apparently hit in the street by a car of two and one of its legs badly injured. The dog made its way to its owner's front porch. The guy who killed it was a neighbor.

You still don't bash a dog's head in with a freaking sledgehammer!  If the neighbor was not home you bundle up the dog and take it to the freaking vet.

A dog can survive being hit by a car.   BIL's lab got hit by a car and the worst he had was some broken ribs.  Dog lived a long life after that for a lab I want to say he was about 15 years old when he died.    A badly injured leg does not mean the dog needs to be put down.  It absolutely does not need it's head bashed in with a sledgehammer!

See my reply #9 about taking a dog to the vet.

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 21, 2017 10:55:38 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Apr 21, 2017 10:47:10 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I don't know any woman who'd ever brutally euthanize an animal, whether it needed it or not. You're not wired for it.

Except Weltz. Weltz is hard core. She euthanized her pet rat by driving over it with her car. Did what had to be done.

I'm not a man so I don't know, but if men are, as you say, wired to brutally euthanize an animal, I'm glad I don't have one in my life (the man - not the animal).

Well lucky you. Now that women are subject to the military draft (equal opportunities and all), you may just get hands-on experience brutally euthanizing not only animals but human beings as well. Welcome to the new millennium, where the fun comes to you.

[Jaguar]

Virgil Showlion, just drop it you are making everyone just plain sick. Get out of this thread.

I read the OP link, it wasn't this shit's dog. I have access to lots of guns, and this shit would be feeling my guns so far up his ass, that me pulling the damn trigger would be his only relief.

The only humane thing was to get a vet out there.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Apr 21, 2017 11:02:22 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Apr 21, 2017 10:55:38 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I'm not a man so I don't know, but if men are, as you say, wired to brutally euthanize an animal, I'm glad I don't have one in my life (the man - not the animal).

Well lucky you. Now that women are subject to the military draft (equal opportunities and all), you may just get hands-on experience brutally euthanizing not only animals but human beings as well. Welcome to the new millennium, where the fun comes to you.

I think I'm well beyond the age of being drafted but it's an entirely different thing to shoot at something/someone who is shooting at you. I can say without a doubt that I could and would do that. That's also one of those things I don't have to happen to know what I'd do.

A simple, "I was wrong" would suffice and be way less embarrassing that that stuff above. : )