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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:25:40 GMT -5
Depends what you mean by this. Can you clarify ? doing nothing illegal. peaceably assembling. not blocking traffic. not hurling bottles at police. not breaking windows. you need more clarity than that? i stand by what i said all through this thread, despite REPEATED grandstanding by folks that seem to think i am saying that people who cause harm should not be arrested. i said nothing of the kind, and the repeated nonsense to the contrary is just that. does it bring you comfort to dismiss the point? or do y'all just not understand it?I was looking for "not breaking any existing laws". Sometime dis heer Arkansas billhilly doent get tings.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2017 13:26:09 GMT -5
no, he didn't. if he HAD, i would not have even responded. you must take me for a complete idiot if you think otherwise. 18 hours ago billisonboard said: Intelligent v. knee jerk seems like a good thing to me. Arresting the serious offenders and not every one with a minor infraction seems a smart use of governmental resources. You're an idiot? i wasn't responding to that post. THIS is the post i was responding to: Glad the arrests are taking place. i gave a rather milquetoast reply: i see no reason to be glad without knowing the circumstances of those arrests. i can't figure out why that is IN ANY WAY controversial or difficult to understand.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2017 13:28:59 GMT -5
doing nothing illegal. peaceably assembling. not blocking traffic. not hurling bottles at police. not breaking windows. you need more clarity than that? i stand by what i said all through this thread, despite REPEATED grandstanding by folks that seem to think i am saying that people who cause harm should not be arrested. i said nothing of the kind, and the repeated nonsense to the contrary is just that. does it bring you comfort to dismiss the point? or do y'all just not understand it?I was looking for "not breaking any existing laws". i alluded to why you are not going to get that response in post #82.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:29:55 GMT -5
18 hours ago billisonboard said: Intelligent v. knee jerk seems like a good thing to me. Arresting the serious offenders and not every one with a minor infraction seems a smart use of governmental resources. You're an idiot? i wasn't responding to that post. look again. oh, and stop being an asshole, please. thanks. I can read the words in your post that say "No He Didn't". The words didn't say "I wasn't responding to that post". Y'all get that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:33:28 GMT -5
I can read the words in your post that say "No He Didn't". The words didn't say "I wasn't responding to that post". Y'all get that. i revised the post to save you the MASSIVE effort it apparently takes to find the post i was responding to. please avail yourself to it. Not massive, easy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2017 13:42:42 GMT -5
you will note that my original post in this thread and all responses have NOTHING to do with "breaking the law". you also seem to be missing my point. what if the government declares peaceable assembly "breaking the law". you going to like down like a lamb, or fight like a lion, D23? Neimoeller would be appalled at the tone of this conversation. Bills made the post about arresting only the "serious" offenders. that was not in the post i responded to, D23. if it had been, i would never have responded.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2017 13:51:08 GMT -5
i revised the post to save you the MASSIVE effort it apparently takes to find the post i was responding to. please avail yourself to it. Not massive, easy. cool. would you mind answering the question in post 82, now?
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 21, 2017 14:16:16 GMT -5
if, if, if....if arrested while trying to get to their homes...if mass arrests...though not sure they are doing that and too, I believe if out protesting whatever and see that it, demonstration is getting out of hand, rioting happening..individuals in face masks speaking crazy..then their responsibility to remove themselves from area..get themselves and who with them to safety..one has responsibility to use common sense...
"i have been to far too many protests were people doing NOTHING were abused or arrested by law enforcement."
I haven't and give more credit to the professionalism of our law enforcement people...especially in daylight with much media present..I have ridden with Police about 1/2 dz times...friends on force...have seen a bit of pressure they are under especially in evening and not knowing what is awaiting them and basically only protection..their fellow officers if there..a hand gun..a billy...their own athleticism...
No grenades, military grade weapon...fellows handy to support...never get me to do that type of work...
Know a officer friend of mine having coffee in a bar on his beat...Union Station area of Hartford..man walks up to him and just out of no where hauls off and belts him..no warning, in fact no reason..my friend had never seen him before...
Of course he was beaten to a pulp , not my friend, he was mostly out of it, fellows..but guy was ok with that..he had got in his licks...
I would have blown him away..no second thoughts...probably then finished my coffee...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 19:50:14 GMT -5
Not massive, easy. cool. would you mind answering the question in post 82, now? I would do neither. Protesting is a waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 20:14:42 GMT -5
if, if, if....if arrested while trying to get to their homes...if mass arrests...though not sure they are doing that and too, I believe if out protesting whatever and see that it, demonstration is getting out of hand, rioting happening..individuals in face masks speaking crazy..then their responsibility to remove themselves from area..get themselves and who with them to safety..one has responsibility to use common sense... "i have been to far too many protests were people doing NOTHING were abused or arrested by law enforcement." I haven't and give more credit to the professionalism of our law enforcement people...especially in daylight with much media present..I have ridden with Police about 1/2 dz times...friends on force...have seen a bit of pressure they are under especially in evening and not knowing what is awaiting them and basically only protection..their fellow officers if there..a hand gun..a billy...their own athleticism... No grenades, military grade weapon...fellows handy to support.. .never get me to do that type of work...Know a officer friend of mine having coffee in a bar on his beat...Union Station area of Hartford..man walks up to him and just out of no where hauls off and belts him..no warning, in fact no reason..my friend had never seen him before... Of course he was beaten to a pulp , not my friend, he was mostly out of it, fellows..but guy was ok with that..he had got in his licks... I would have blown him away..no second thoughts...probably then finished my coffee... Never get me to do that job either. You become the unforgivin, for being capable.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 22, 2017 22:21:54 GMT -5
cool. would you mind answering the question in post 82, now? I would do neither. Protesting is a waste of time. since that is indistinguishable from lying down like a lamb, i am going with "A" on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 11:59:05 GMT -5
I would do neither. Protesting is a waste of time. since that is indistinguishable from lying down like a lamb, i am going with "A" on that. I consider having a sexual relation and marriage to another male as a disgusting proposition. If the newer right of gays to marry was taken away, I also wouldn't care about this either. It is a waste of time. It's not lying down like a lamb when there is no relevancy. It's just nothing, except for my Thomas Paine statement on the bottom of my posts. Gays care about gay rights. Protestors care about protesting. I care about gun restriction creep. I would never protest about gun restriction. There are more effective ways to achieve my goals.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:20:45 GMT -5
since that is indistinguishable from lying down like a lamb, i am going with "A" on that. I consider having a sexual relation and marriage to another male as a disgusting proposition. If the newer right of gays to marry was taken away, I also wouldn't care about this either. It is a waste of time. It's not lying down like a lamb when there is no relevancy. It's just nothing, except for my Thomas Paine statement on the bottom of my posts. Gays care about gay rights. Protestors care about protesting. I care about gun restriction creep. I would never protest about gun restriction. There are more effective ways to achieve my goals. not following how you got off onto gay rights. i was talking about protest in general. i was simply asking that if your right to protest were made illegal, would you stand up or lie down. i got my answer. thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:24:07 GMT -5
I consider having a sexual relation and marriage to another male as a disgusting proposition. If the newer right of gays to marry was taken away, I also wouldn't care about this either. It is a waste of time. It's not lying down like a lamb when there is no relevancy. It's just nothing, except for my Thomas Paine statement on the bottom of my posts. Gays care about gay rights. Protestors care about protesting. I care about gun restriction creep. I would never protest about gun restriction. There are more effective ways to achieve my goals. not following how you got off onto gay rights. i was talking about protest in general. i was simply asking that if your right to protest were made illegal, would you stand up or lie down. i got my answer. thanks. It's OK to not get the point about relevancy that I was making. You gave your answer to yourself. It's probably all you need.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:28:01 GMT -5
not following how you got off onto gay rights. i was talking about protest in general. i was simply asking that if your right to protest were made illegal, would you stand up or lie down. i got my answer. thanks. It's OK to not get the point I was making. You gave your answer to yourself. It's probably all you need. i need nothing from you or anyone else here. it would be NICE to get straight, honest answers, but i have long ago realized that people seem to think they are under attack when i ask for them, so i accept the diversions for what they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:31:28 GMT -5
It's OK to not get the point I was making. You gave your answer to yourself. It's probably all you need. i need nothing from you or anyone else here. it would be NICE to get straight, honest answers, but i have long ago realized that people seem to think they are under attack when i ask for them, so i accept the diversions for what they are. I agree, you don't need anything from me or anyone else. You have given an answer to yourself as you posted in reply #103. Quote; i am going with "A" on that
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:35:26 GMT -5
i need nothing from you or anyone else here. it would be NICE to get straight, honest answers, but i have long ago realized that people seem to think they are under attack when i ask for them, so i accept the diversions for what they are. I agree, you don't need anything from me or anyone else. You have given an answer to yourself as you posted in reply #103. Quote; i am going with "A" on thatyou can interpret my posts any way you like. i retain the same privilege.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:43:23 GMT -5
It's OK to not get the point I was making. You gave your answer to yourself. It's probably all you need. i need nothing from you or anyone else here. Is that why you give answers to yourself? it would be NICE to get straight, honest answers, But when they disagree they are "diversions"? but i have long ago realized that people seem to think they are under attack when i ask for them, I don't feel under attack. I feel you are simply missing what I'm trying to say. so i accept the diversions for what they are. Claiming an answer for me, when the question is irrelevant to non-action, is kind of irrelevant.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:47:46 GMT -5
I don't feel under attack. I feel you are simply missing what I'm trying to say. so i accept the diversions for what they are. Claiming an answer for me i didn't do that, bro. calm down. i said that your answer is no different than "A", imo. that is MY OPINION, and i am ENTITLED TO IT. ok? i am NOT putting words in your mouth. i NEVER do that., when the question is irrelevant to non-action, is kind of irrelevant. i am not missing what you are trying to say. you are saying that you think protests are useless, and therefore (i extrapolate) you don't care if they are made illegal or not, and you would not do a damned thing to fight it if they WERE made illegal. that was my interpretation of your reply. it is also pretty much what you said. would you care to correct/elaborate?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:48:39 GMT -5
I would do neither. Protesting is a waste of time. since that is indistinguishable from lying down like a lamb, i am going with "A" on that. Non-action is very distinguishable from your self answer of lying down like a lamb.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:50:33 GMT -5
since that is indistinguishable from lying down like a lamb, i am going with "A" on that. Non-action is very distinguishable from your self answer of lying down like a lamb. no. lying down and non-action are exactly the same, imo, as exemplified by THIS quote: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” capice? there is NO DIFFERENCE between non-action, and LYING DOWN. they are the SAME. Democrats just got an object lesson in this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:52:07 GMT -5
Claiming an answer for me i didn't do that, bro. calm down. i said that your answer is no different than "A", imo. that is MY OPINION, and i am ENTITLED TO IT. ok? i am NOT putting words in your mouth. i NEVER do that., when the question is irrelevant to non-action, is kind of irrelevant. i am not missing what you are trying to say. you are saying that you think protests are useless, and therefore (i extrapolate) you don't care if they are made illegal or not, and you would not do a damned thing to fight it if they WERE made illegal. that was my interpretation of your reply. it is also pretty much what you said. would you care to correct/elaborate? I would first have to want to care about protesting as an activity, before giving up on it (lying down..) while it was taken away. Does that help ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 12:54:40 GMT -5
i am not missing what you are trying to say. you are saying that you think protests are useless, and therefore (i extrapolate) you don't care if they are made illegal or not, and you would not do a damned thing to fight it if they WERE made illegal. that was my interpretation of your reply. it is also pretty much what you said. would you care to correct/elaborate? I would first have to want to care about protesting as an activity, before giving up on it (lying down..) while it was taken away. Does that help ? immeasurably. so you only care about rights when YOU want to exercise them. that is actually how most people feel. it is this reason that made me rethink the idea of the Republic. it probably is preferable to Democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:57:31 GMT -5
Non-action is very distinguishable from your self answer of lying down like a lamb. no. lying down and non-action are exactly the same, imo, as exemplified by THIS quote: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” capice? there is NO DIFFERENCE between non-action, and LYING DOWN. they are the SAME. Democrats just got an object lesson in this. Not when your perspective of bolded is nothing. Protesting is a nothing for me. You can't lie down, quit, give up, something you don't want/care about. It would be non-action on my part.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 13:00:03 GMT -5
no. lying down and non-action are exactly the same, imo, as exemplified by THIS quote: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” capice? there is NO DIFFERENCE between non-action, and LYING DOWN. they are the SAME. Democrats just got an object lesson in this. Not when your perspective of bolded is nothing. Protesting is a nothing for me. You can't lie down, quit, give up, something you don't want/care about. It would be non-action on my part. i heard you. protesting is meaningless a meaningless right that doesn't need protecting. right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 13:03:36 GMT -5
I would first have to want to care about protesting as an activity, before giving up on it (lying down..) while it was taken away. Does that help ? immeasurably. so you only care about rights when YOU want to exercise them. that is actually how most people feel. it is this reason that made me rethink the idea of the Republic. it probably is preferable to Democracy. We all pretty much feel this way. IMHO of course, by what I experience here and everywhere in life. I find it impossible to keep track of every item, that every person feels is the right thing to do, or should do. Agree with your "Republic" statement. It summarizes governing from the endless minutia.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 13:08:30 GMT -5
immeasurably. so you only care about rights when YOU want to exercise them. that is actually how most people feel. it is this reason that made me rethink the idea of the Republic. it probably is preferable to Democracy. We all pretty much feel this way. yeah, i said that /\IMHO of course, by what I experience here and everywhere in life. I find it impossible to keep track of every item, that every person feels is the right thing to do, or should do. Agree with your "Republic" statement. It summarizes governing from the endless minutia.
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Not when your perspective of bolded is nothing. Protesting is a nothing for me. You can't lie down, quit, give up, something you don't want/care about. It would be non-action on my part. i heard you. protesting is meaningless a meaningless right that doesn't need protecting. right? Don't agree it's a meaningless right to anyone else, just to me. I claim non-action whether it stays or not. Anyone for it/against, gets no response from me. Have at it, don't break the law.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 23, 2017 13:11:35 GMT -5
i heard you. protesting is meaningless a meaningless right that doesn't need protecting. right? Don't agree it's a meaningless right to anyone else, just to me. that is what i meant. i think we got this one handled. thanks for the honest exchange.
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