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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -5
I will confess that another benefit of the recount is the amusement I get from reading all these posts from upset Trump voters But I don't see upset trump voters. We know that it is complete BS and that nothing is going to happen by this recount. If anything it looks like sour grapes by the losers...and I actually find that entertaining.
I saw a meme on FB the other day which I found funny, as well. "Cost of the recount $10million, Cost of watching Hillary lose a second time: Priceless"
now you are getting what i would call a proper attitude about this tilting at windmills.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 5, 2016 15:36:34 GMT -5
But I don't see upset trump voters. We know that it is complete BS and that nothing is going to happen by this recount. If anything it looks like sour grapes by the losers...and I actually find that entertaining.
I saw a meme on FB the other day which I found funny, as well. "Cost of the recount $10million, Cost of watching Hillary lose a second time: Priceless"
now you are getting what i would call a proper attitude about this tilting at windmills. That has been my attitude though. I'm not angry nor was I ever. I know nothing will change.
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Post by steff on Dec 5, 2016 17:16:29 GMT -5
Sure, but how much does that leader care about the taxpayers if he is so willing to waste tens of millions of their dollars duplicating security efforts? It's amazing how we can literally see our tax dollars being wasted by Trump on a daily basis, yet absolutely no outrage from the same ones who have shit fits over wasted tax dollars. It's a fascinating study in blinders & how many are eager to put them on.
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Post by rob base on Dec 5, 2016 17:20:53 GMT -5
Exactly
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Post by Opti on Dec 5, 2016 17:54:55 GMT -5
opt4T,
I live in Seattle as it says on my profile. That's a small town in the state of Washington which is north of Oregon out on the left coast. We are one of the few solidly blue states and Clinton won by way more than my 1 vote for Bernie.
I doubt you can find 1 state where if you gave all the Stein votes to Hillary and all the Johnson votes to Trump that Clinton would be POTUS elect. That's an unfair match up. Jill Stein pulls in less than half of Gary Johnson's votes in most states. There are quite a few states, not WA, NJ, or CA, where the gap between Trump and Clinton's votes is less than the total of the votes for Stein plus Johnson. Why give Trump more votes? There might be millions of illegal votes from models who are here illegally or on travel Visas. He already got his share of illegals.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 5, 2016 18:13:15 GMT -5
Sure, but how much does that leader care about the taxpayers if he is so willing to waste tens of millions of their dollars duplicating security efforts? It's amazing how we can literally see our tax dollars being wasted by Trump on a daily basis, yet absolutely no outrage from the same ones who have shit fits over wasted tax dollars. It's a fascinating study in blinders & how many are eager to put them on. I don't see any conservative on here having shit fits over steins moronic move. She isn't going to win, Hillary isn't going to win, so what are her motives? Or does she just want to hear trump announced the winner for a second time? To see how many liberals will cry this time? Otherwise I have no idea what her motives are
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Post by dondub on Dec 5, 2016 18:15:03 GMT -5
I believe the exercise, for you to prove the claim that voting third party was a vote for Trump, doesn't differentiate whether those votes were for Stein or Johnson. You can't just give all Stein votes to Hillary and then say she would have won Wisconsin without factoring in the other third party votes (where she probably would not have won Wisconsin).
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 5, 2016 19:48:44 GMT -5
The speculation is because there's no good explanation for Ms. Stein's behaviour. Of all of them, the most flattering is that it's a publicity stunt and she doesn't realize she's getting only bad publicity. Insert that Sherlock Holmes quote, "...when all likely explanations have been eliminated, we must look to the alternatives, no matter how implausible." ETA: At this point, I could be convinced the Clintons activated the chip they put in Ms. Stein's head in October. They realized after their stark condemnation of Pres. Trump's wavering on accepting the election results that they couldn't be the ones to demand a recount in the unthinkable event of a loss. Hence poor Ms. Stein got chipped and operation "Green Sentinel" is a go. Jill Stein has been behind a recount before. Unlike some on the right, I don't see anything wrong or contradictory doing some recounts in a few states. The election was close. If I put that much of my life into running for President I'd want a recount where it made sense as well.
I think Stein uses it to raise her profile, which seems to be working.
And how! She'll have her "Queen of Pointless Recounts" sobriquet sewn up by 2020 at this rate.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 5, 2016 19:55:31 GMT -5
The speculation is because there's no good explanation for Ms. Stein's behaviour. Of all of them, the most flattering is that it's a publicity stunt and she doesn't realize she's getting only bad publicity. Insert that Sherlock Holmes quote, "...when all likely explanations have been eliminated, we must look to the alternatives, no matter how implausible." ETA: At this point, I could be convinced the Clintons activated the chip they put in Ms. Stein's head in October. They realized after their stark condemnation of Pres. Trump's wavering on accepting the election results that they couldn't be the ones to demand a recount in the unthinkable event of a loss. Hence poor Ms. Stein got chipped and operation "Green Sentinel" is a go. that is not the most flattering. the most flattering is that she is a defender of democracy. the fact that you can ONLY find something thoroughly unflattering to label "flattering" is revealing. There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2016 19:58:44 GMT -5
opt4T,
I live in Seattle as it says on my profile. That's a small town in the state of Washington which is north of Oregon out on the left coast. We are one of the few solidly blue states and Clinton won by way more than my 1 vote for Bernie.
I doubt you can find 1 state where if you gave all the Stein votes to Hillary and all the Johnson votes to Trump that Clinton would be POTUS elect. I think she claimed up to ten states, which I do not believe is true. Even then we have to assume all of those votes would have gone one way for Hillary. Even then we have to assume those ten states had enough electoral votes to swing it to Hillary The fact is Hillary would have to win Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the EC. She didn't. opt4ft must still be hoping for full time. Maybe under Trump it will happen. Make America great again!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2016 20:01:36 GMT -5
Your suggesting that the $ would have been spent on something else...like kids for example. Would be nice if things in the real world work that way...they do not...just the way it is... As a supporter of the Hillery and one who is really p off about the election results..did I contribute to this recount? Of course not...don't expect any change here...possible if the results were just say 1000/1500 difference..then maybe but this difference..don't believe in real fraud but some changes, bad counting..oh yeah it's possible , but not thousands...however, if they did see a difference and possible a change in the winner... I will confess that another benefit of the recount is the amusement I get from reading all these posts from upset Trump voters Please check your math. There are many more pro-Hillary sorry losers posting they want and need the recount to prove something to theIrselves. Whatever that is IDK. And trust me, conservatives here are having a proverbial ball.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2016 20:31:59 GMT -5
Sorry deszi, I am not a published writer, so no link. and as I wrote, "Right now I think Stein is being funded" I did not quote an article Yep. our President-elect will Make America great again!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2016 20:49:58 GMT -5
On Nov. 30, the Michigan SOS said that the recount estimated cost was $4 million. It wouldn't surprise me to see the number increase due to all the legal back and forth we've seen since then. SOS statementif the GOP would just get out of the way, and let the process move forward, it would cost less than $3M. How is the GOP raising the cost of the process? Stein's group only pays the cost of the recount incurred by the state? If you are referencing Stein winds up with higher lawyer costs due to gop fighting her lawsuit, that is on Stein for doing this stunt in the first place, and I imagine some of her lawyers are doing it for nothing.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Dec 5, 2016 23:36:32 GMT -5
Sorry deszi, I am not a published writer, so no link. and as I wrote, "Right now I think Stein is being funded" I did not quote an article Yep. our President-elect will Make America great again! Actually I thought and still think our country is great right now..not perfect...but pretty good. With 330 million folks here, to please everyone is kind of hard...and with the split and devide in the governing of the country for the past eight years, big thing of opposition, their words, to make sure present POTUS only serve one term..... not helping in solving some of the problems. However when u consider the rest of the world..beyond say some scandinavian countrys, but no comparison on their influence in the world or the populatin comparisons..many of these countries have less population then our major cities..and how many people are looking to come here, send their kids here to be educated...look to us for guidence....the new President elect just keep status quo plus some improvements and it's all I ask. As far as healing the country...definitly don't see him doing anything toward that end..if anything the complete opposite..He is still pandering to the ones who supported him..even the raciest groups and also by some of his appointments. That isn't going to cut it. Just his saying we should come together...especially after his words of diddain toward those who were not supporters and still today after the election is over, his inane embarressing tweaks..there is no bringing us together..not at all. Actually his calling for changing all his predicessor has accomplished for the past eight years both domestic and internationally ..to me showing his inexperience in governing..tweak and improve where needed yes..study the problems, though I doubt this is a man who looks to study problems, and get a handle on things...and then come up with possible solutions...with the help and advice of tested congressional leaders of both parties...but I don't believe he is capable or willing to do that. I believe he is more interested in payback against those who do not support him, question his leadership abilities..more interested in getting his lb of flesh then improving the country..Make it great again? What a insult that is...It is great only idiots would think otherwise..IMHO of course.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 0:32:39 GMT -5
that is not the most flattering. the most flattering is that she is a defender of democracy. the fact that you can ONLY find something thoroughly unflattering to label "flattering" is revealing. There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry. she didn't get one nickle from me- not that it is any of anyone's business. what she is doing has symbolic value if nothing else. if you don't get that, i am done trying to convince you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 0:34:14 GMT -5
if the GOP would just get out of the way, and let the process move forward, it would cost less than $3M. How is the GOP raising the cost of the process? really? i found that out by reading this thread. that is my recommendation for you.
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Post by Opti on Dec 6, 2016 10:11:56 GMT -5
that is not the most flattering. the most flattering is that she is a defender of democracy. the fact that you can ONLY find something thoroughly unflattering to label "flattering" is revealing. There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry. I think there is a purpose to it. It legitimizes the votes or shows that there was an issue. If people want to pay for it, why not? Unlike some others I don't see the end result as declaring or not declaring a winner. It would only declare a winner if the vote totals were wrong AND they showed a different winner than the original count. Plus enough EC votes would have to change as well so even if one state was incorrectly counted and went to Trump instead of Clinton, unless it changes the election it only shows the election results from that state might need an audit next time because of issues this time.
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 6, 2016 10:26:21 GMT -5
Starting the day with the shocking news that's coming out of the WI recount.... Oh yeah that's right nothing shocking about this. It proves that Jill Stein was right. Kinda/sorta.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 11:34:46 GMT -5
Starting the day with the shocking news that's coming out of the WI recount.... Oh yeah that's right nothing shocking about this. nothing shocking was expected. at least not by me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 11:35:53 GMT -5
There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry. I think there is a purpose to it. It legitimizes the votes or shows that there was an issue. If people want to pay for it, why not? Unlike some others I don't see the end result as declaring or not declaring a winner. It would only declare a winner if the vote totals were wrong AND they showed a different winner than the original count. Plus enough EC votes would have to change as well so even if one state was incorrectly counted and went to Trump instead of Clinton, unless it changes the election it only shows the election results from that state might need an audit next time because of issues this time.
precisely. whining and laughing about it just makes you look bad. shut up, and let it go down. then everyone will be SATISFIED. that is a worthy result.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 6, 2016 14:24:46 GMT -5
I think there is a purpose to it. It legitimizes the votes or shows that there was an issue. If people want to pay for it, why not? Unlike some others I don't see the end result as declaring or not declaring a winner. It would only declare a winner if the vote totals were wrong AND they showed a different winner than the original count. Plus enough EC votes would have to change as well so even if one state was incorrectly counted and went to Trump instead of Clinton, unless it changes the election it only shows the election results from that state might need an audit next time because of issues this time.
precisely. whining and laughing about it just makes you look bad. shut up, and let it go down. then everyone will be SATISFIED. that is a worthy result. Oh please...if the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was the winner, I could only imagine what posters on here would be saying. Not all of them, but I know there is a core group of "pantsuit nation" posters that would have a field day. One only needs to look to that thread where they were high fiving each other the day of and then melting down the next day. there would be no graciousness involved.
I am not whining about the recount, I'm having fun with it. "The cost of the recount, $10million. The cost of watching Hillary supporters see her lose for a second time, priceless"
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 6, 2016 14:54:21 GMT -5
I have no doubt that if Trump had lost and asked for a recount he would have been labeled a sore loser and begrudged the effort by many people. I also have no doubt that he would have cried foul and claimed the election was rigged, as he started doing that even before election day- and then stopped of course, as soon as he won. However if the vote was close he most certainly would have been entitled to a recount as well. And that's why I find the support for Stein hysterical. Do I care that she is wasting her time and efforts? As long as not one cent comes from the taxpayers than I don't care at all. But it is the hypocrisy that cracks me up.
I also agree with dem that Trump probably wouldn't have accepted a close loss. Even though I voted for Trump I would have been pissed if he acted like a crybaby when he lost because that makes republicans look bad. Given the coloring books, pony rides, hot chocolate and quiet rooms that the left has been given, I doubt they have the same issue with crybabies that I do
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 16:07:43 GMT -5
precisely. whining and laughing about it just makes you look bad. shut up, and let it go down. then everyone will be SATISFIED. that is a worthy result. Oh please...if the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was the winner, I could only imagine what posters on here would be saying.
the same exact thing, of course. i am sorry if you feel differently, but you are responsible for those feelings, not me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 16:08:59 GMT -5
I have no doubt that if Trump had lost and asked for a recount he would have been labeled a sore loser and begrudged the effort by many people. I also have no doubt that he would have cried foul and claimed the election was rigged, as he started doing that even before election day- and then stopped of course, as soon as he won. However if the vote was close he most certainly would have been entitled to a recount as well. And that's why I find the support for Stein hysterical. Do I care that she is wasting her time and efforts? As long as not one cent comes from the taxpayers than I don't care at all. But it is the hypocrisy that cracks me up. no support here. no hypocrisy here. i am merely stating that she has support. i would be astonished if you disagreed.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 16:27:23 GMT -5
There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry. I think there is a purpose to it. It legitimizes the votes or shows that there was an issue. If people want to pay for it, why not? Unlike some others I don't see the end result as declaring or not declaring a winner. It would only declare a winner if the vote totals were wrong AND they showed a different winner than the original count. Plus enough EC votes would have to change as well so even if one state was incorrectly counted and went to Trump instead of Clinton, unless it changes the election it only shows the election results from that state might need an audit next time because of issues this time.
I highlighted your first two sentences. Didn't you grouse when Trump said the system was rigged? Obviously you now believe the voting system was rigged. Why when Trump said it you complained, but now there is a serious problem with the system?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 16:31:33 GMT -5
Starting the day with the shocking news that's coming out of the WI recount.... Oh yeah that's right nothing shocking about this. nothing shocking was expected. at least not by me. Hence, if the system was not rigged as Trump said it was, everyone here who complained about Trump's claim should be just as outraged by Stein's tactic, when everyone agrees we had a fair election this year. Just because someone wants to file a frivalous lawsuit does not mean they should be able to do it and especially a couple of weeks after the election was completed. I would say if evidence was found to exist, then it is ok to file the suit at this late date, but just making a claim with nothing to back it up should be disallowed.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 6, 2016 16:54:04 GMT -5
Oh please...if the shoe was on the other foot and Hillary was the winner, I could only imagine what posters on here would be saying.
the same exact thing, of course. i am sorry if you feel differently, but you are responsible for those feelings, not me. That's fair. You have been consistent in your views.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 16:56:54 GMT -5
nothing shocking was expected. at least not by me. Hence, if the system was not rigged as Trump said it was, everyone here who complained about Trump's claim should be just as outraged by Stein's tactic, when everyone agrees we had a fair election this year. Just because someone wants to file a frivalous lawsuit does not mean they should be able to do it and especially a couple of weeks after the election was completed. I would say if evidence was found to exist, then it is ok to file the suit at this late date, but just making a claim with nothing to back it up should be disallowed. there would have been way more trouble if he lost. this is relaxing by comparison.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 6, 2016 16:57:46 GMT -5
Hence, if the system was not rigged as Trump said it was, everyone here who complained about Trump's claim should be just as outraged by Stein's tactic, when everyone agrees we had a fair election this year. Just because someone wants to file a frivalous lawsuit does not mean they should be able to do it and especially a couple of weeks after the election was completed. I would say if evidence was found to exist, then it is ok to file the suit at this late date, but just making a claim with nothing to back it up should be disallowed. there would have been way more trouble if he lost. this is relaxing by comparison. We will never know that...you can only assume
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