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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2016 16:57:56 GMT -5
... Just because someone wants to file a frivolous lawsuit does not mean they should be able to do it and especially a couple of weeks after the election was completed. ... I think there needs to be standards and time restrictions in the laws governing recounts. It seems that whatever requirements were in place were met. Maybe reform of such is where effort should go once the current actions are completed.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:01:55 GMT -5
there would have been way more trouble if he lost. this is relaxing by comparison. We will never know that...you can only assume fine. let me rephrase then: i had EVERY EXPECTATION that it would have been worse. better?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 17:06:56 GMT -5
... Just because someone wants to file a frivolous lawsuit does not mean they should be able to do it and especially a couple of weeks after the election was completed. ... I think there needs to be standards and time restrictions in the laws governing recounts. It seems that whatever requirements were in place were met. Maybe reform of such is where effort should go once the current actions are completed. Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount......
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:11:35 GMT -5
I think there needs to be standards and time restrictions in the laws governing recounts. It seems that whatever requirements were in place were met. Maybe reform of such is where effort should go once the current actions are completed. Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount...... yeah, because that is what happened in 2000, right? gmafb. our legal system kicks ass, and is about as fair to all parties as it could be.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2016 17:18:28 GMT -5
I think there needs to be standards and time restrictions in the laws governing recounts. It seems that whatever requirements were in place were met. Maybe reform of such is where effort should go once the current actions are completed. Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount...... Yeah, life's a bitch ain't it. Guess we are stuck with all this legal shit until people get sick of it and pull out the guns.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 17:20:08 GMT -5
Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount...... yeah, because that is what happened in 2000, right? gmafb. our legal system kicks ass, and is about as fair to all parties as it could be. At least the vote in one state, that actually flipped the election was actually so close it deserved to be checked just in case to satisfy the crybaby Democrats, who never accepted the recount number, that the election was legitimate. And the recount was asked for within a timely fashion. Those damn hanging chads
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 17:23:17 GMT -5
Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount...... Yeah, life's a bitch ain't it. Guess we are stuck with all this legal shit until people get sick of it and pull out the guns. The way some of the Democratic faithful are taking this election, I bet they are glad the Republicans have protected the 2nd Amendment Although I admit there was not a run on gun sales after this election, as there were after the last two elections, but then again, democrats do not have to worry the 2nd Amendment will be overturned anytime soon.......so no hurry.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:25:50 GMT -5
yeah, because that is what happened in 2000, right? gmafb. our legal system kicks ass, and is about as fair to all parties as it could be. At least the vote in one state, that actually flipped the election was actually so close it deserved to be checked just in case to satisfy the crybaby Democrats, who never accepted the recount number, that the election was legitimate. And the recount was asked for within a timely fashion. Those damn hanging chads surely you got my point. the SCOTUS stopped the recount, and the GOP prevailed. it is not like conservatives have anything to cry about.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah, life's a bitch ain't it. Guess we are stuck with all this legal shit until people get sick of it and pull out the guns. The way some of the Democratic faithful are taking this election, I bet they are glad the Republicans have protected the 2nd Amendment Although I admit there was not a run on gun sales after this election, as there were after the last two elections, but then again, democrats do not have to worry the 2nd Amendment will be overturned anytime soon.......so no hurry. yeah, because that was such a realistic thing to worry about the last (8) years.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:27:43 GMT -5
Thanks. you are correct. She was within the law, but our legal system is so messed up sometimes, even if it were past the time limit, there is always a judge somewhere who will say, stop the procedure and do the recount...... Yeah, life's a bitch ain't it. Guess we are stuck with all this legal shit until people get sick of it and pull out the guns. there you go. bag on the legal system all you like, but always be mindful of the alternative.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2016 17:28:18 GMT -5
... who never accepted the recount number, ... The recount was halted : Bush v. Gore
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2016 17:35:23 GMT -5
... who never accepted the recount number, ... The recount was halted : Bush v. GoreYes, it was stopped. And why was it stopped? 1.Too many different voting procedures in the state. 2. And the big one......the time frame of the recount would take too long because of number one. As how I remember it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 17:41:33 GMT -5
Yes, it was stopped. And why was it stopped? 1.Too many different voting procedures in the state. 2. And the big one......the time frame of the recount would take too long because of number one. As how I remember it. right, but again, this is precisely the OPPOSITE of the case you made earlier, where the courts "stepped in and asked that the recount be continued". here we have an example- the most HIGH PROFILE EXAMPLE IN US HISTORY- of the courts doing the OPPOSITE of that. this brings me back to the question on the other thread: are you prone to magical thinking, or can you see history for what it is, and take some comfort in it?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 6, 2016 19:52:24 GMT -5
There's no purpose to it. She's tilting at windmills. The judges are shutting her down because she can't provide any justification whatsoever for the recount. Her own party brass is at her throat because she's embarrassing them. Some expensive, pointless crusades have a redeeming symbolic value. This isn't one of them. It's disruptive, expensive, and pointless. If you sent $100.00 to her Go Fund Me thing, I'm sorry. I think there is a purpose to it. It legitimizes the votes or shows that there was an issue. If people want to pay for it, why not? Unlike some others I don't see the end result as declaring or not declaring a winner. It would only declare a winner if the vote totals were wrong AND they showed a different winner than the original count. Plus enough EC votes would have to change as well so even if one state was incorrectly counted and went to Trump instead of Clinton, unless it changes the election it only shows the election results from that state might need an audit next time because of issues this time. Why not double-count all votes in close states every election? Why not count them three times? As for "If people want to pay for it...", that'd be great... if the donations covered more than a fraction of the total costs and the recount didn't disrupt the whole electoral process. As it stands, recounts are expensive and disruptive. In any case, Ms. Stein gets a gold star in the "feel-good pork" column on her political report card. Hopefully the recount won't find too many discrepancies, otherwise she'll be facing down the headline: "Vote Discrepancy Exceeds Total Votes Cast for Green Party" with the sub-heading "'Still negligible,' experts say."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 23:05:51 GMT -5
I have no doubt that if Trump had lost and asked for a recount he would have been labeled a sore loser and begrudged the effort by many people. I also have no doubt that he would have cried foul and claimed the election was rigged, as he started doing that even before election day- and then stopped of course, as soon as he won. However if the vote was close he most certainly would have been entitled to a recount as well. Trump, however, wasn't admonishing Hillary to accept it and move on though. Which side was it that was saying "when the results are in accept them gracefully"? I could be wrong, but I believe that that was a Democratic Party Mantra.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2016 23:09:06 GMT -5
I have no doubt that if Trump had lost and asked for a recount he would have been labeled a sore loser and begrudged the effort by many people. I also have no doubt that he would have cried foul and claimed the election was rigged, as he started doing that even before election day- and then stopped of course, as soon as he won. However if the vote was close he most certainly would have been entitled to a recount as well. Trump, however, wasn't admonishing Hillary to accept it and move on though. remind us of what he DID say, Richard. hint: it was FAR worse. terrifying, really.
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2016 19:11:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Sroo has seen this yet?
The recount is more than 70 percent complete in Wisconsin, and Clinton has gained just 82 votes on Trump, who won the state by more than 22,000 votes. The Wisconsin Elections Commission reported Wednesday that 34 of 72 counties had completed their work and that the others are on track to finish by next week's deadline. More than 2.1 million votes out of the nearly 3 million cast have been recounted.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-recount-now-doubt-pennsylvania-sets-hearing-44027368
No major change, but its nice to have the vote verified IMO.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 7, 2016 20:38:46 GMT -5
I wonder if Sroo has seen this yet?
The recount is more than 70 percent complete in Wisconsin, and Clinton has gained just 82 votes on Trump, who won the state by more than 22,000 votes. The Wisconsin Elections Commission reported Wednesday that 34 of 72 counties had completed their work and that the others are on track to finish by next week's deadline. More than 2.1 million votes out of the nearly 3 million cast have been recounted.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-recount-now-doubt-pennsylvania-sets-hearing-44027368
No major change, but its nice to have the vote verified IMO. Would you think that if trump lost and demanded a recount? Because I remember the thread bashing trump for not accepting the outcome of the election when everyone assumed he was going to lose
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Post by rob base on Dec 7, 2016 20:55:30 GMT -5
I wonder if Sroo has seen this yet?
The recount is more than 70 percent complete in Wisconsin, and Clinton has gained just 82 votes on Trump, who won the state by more than 22,000 votes. The Wisconsin Elections Commission reported Wednesday that 34 of 72 counties had completed their work and that the others are on track to finish by next week's deadline. More than 2.1 million votes out of the nearly 3 million cast have been recounted.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-recount-now-doubt-pennsylvania-sets-hearing-44027368
No major change, but its nice to have the vote verified IMO. Would you think that if trump lost and demanded a recount? Because I remember the thread bashing trump for not accepting the outcome of the election when everyone assumed he was going to lose No they wouldn't have thought that if the sitch was reversed. But they aren't going to tell you that now :-)
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 7, 2016 20:56:02 GMT -5
Trump said he wouldn't accept the outcome unless he won.
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Post by rob base on Dec 7, 2016 21:00:06 GMT -5
Trump said he wouldn't accept the outcome unless he won. Exactly. But Hillary said it was important to respect election results or whatever crap she said. I guess it's not so important now all of a sudden for whatever reason.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 7, 2016 21:00:19 GMT -5
Trump said he wouldn't accept the outcome unless he won. And the left bashed him for that. That's why I so confused with the lefts grand acceptance of this Moronic recount now. If tables were reversed they would be having a fit
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2016 21:05:08 GMT -5
I wonder if Sroo has seen this yet?
The recount is more than 70 percent complete in Wisconsin, and Clinton has gained just 82 votes on Trump, who won the state by more than 22,000 votes. The Wisconsin Elections Commission reported Wednesday that 34 of 72 counties had completed their work and that the others are on track to finish by next week's deadline. More than 2.1 million votes out of the nearly 3 million cast have been recounted.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-recount-now-doubt-pennsylvania-sets-hearing-44027368
No major change, but its nice to have the vote verified IMO. Would you think that if trump lost and demanded a recount? Because I remember the thread bashing trump for not accepting the outcome of the election when everyone assumed he was going to lose If he had done a recount where it was close, yes I'd be OK with it. Basically what I felt Trump was saying was 'if I don't win, the vote was rigged'. That's very different from wanting a recount in states where the vote was close. MO. YMMV.
And I didn't think he was hinting he would want a recount somewhere if he lost. He's crazy enough I felt he'd almost declare himself President no matter what the vote had shown.
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2016 21:07:37 GMT -5
Trump said he wouldn't accept the outcome unless he won. And the left bashed him for that. That's why I so confused with the lefts grand acceptance of this Moronic recount now. If tables were reversed they would be having a fit It is different.
One, Hillary did accept the results as they came out and did not ask for any recount.
Two, she never said something outrageous like 'I will only accept the outcome of the votes if I win'. That shit is crazy people, dictator talk.
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2016 21:08:34 GMT -5
Oh, did you see on another thread a Republican is working on getting Nevada's votes recounted. Will you blame that on Trump?
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Post by rob base on Dec 7, 2016 21:36:07 GMT -5
Totally confused.....why would anyone blame Trump for the Nevada recount? I am not familiar with that story and don't see an obvious link to Trump?
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Post by Opti on Dec 7, 2016 21:40:39 GMT -5
Totally confused.....why would anyone blame Trump for the Nevada recount? I am not familiar with that story and don't see an obvious link to Trump? Well ... Jill Stein has gone to court to start some recounts and people are saying somehow that's proof that Hillary didn't accept the results, is a hypocrite, etc. So in that vein, someone in Nevada started a recount in a state that Hillary won by not a large margin. That guy isn't even a different party, like the Constitution party or some such. He's a Republican. Why the heck aren't you all blaming Trump then for wanting a recount in Nevada?
Pot Kettle and all that.
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Post by rob base on Dec 7, 2016 21:49:46 GMT -5
I think Clinton joined in the Stein recount effort.....I know you all will play the semantic card and say she is only "observing" and protecting her interests and whatever.....wonder why trump isn't protecting his interests as well?
Did Trump join in the Nevada recount effort?
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Post by tallguy on Dec 7, 2016 21:53:39 GMT -5
Totally confused.....why would anyone blame Trump for the Nevada recount? I am not familiar with that story and don't see an obvious link to Trump? Why would anyone blame Clinton for the Stein recounts? You know you would probably be a lot less confused if the person who started this thread hadn't screwed up the title and given the wrong impression in the first place.
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Post by rob base on Dec 7, 2016 22:03:55 GMT -5
Totally confused.....why would anyone blame Trump for the Nevada recount? I am not familiar with that story and don't see an obvious link to Trump? Why would anyone blame Clinton for the Stein recounts? You know you would probably be a lot less confused if the person who started this thread hadn't screwed up the title and given the wrong impression in the first place.
She gained culpability and became a hypocrite when she joined the Jill Stein recount effort IMO (if you read any of my posts (including the one just above) you would know this), so there is nothing wrong with my OP
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