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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 21:13:45 GMT -5
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/the_people_who_hate_hillary_clinton_the_most.html
Few people dislike Hillary Clinton for being too moralistic anymore. In trying to understand the seemingly eternal phenomenon of Hillary hatred, I’ve spoken to people all around America who revile her. I’ve interviewed Trump supporters, conventional conservatives, Bernie Sanders fans, and even a few people who reluctantly voted for Clinton in the Democratic primary but who nevertheless say they can’t stand her. Most of them described a venal cynic. Strikingly, the reasons people commonly give for hating Clinton now are almost the exact opposite of the reasons people gave for hating her in the 1990s.
In other words, people hated Hillary Clinton for being one sort of person, and in response to that she became another sort of person, who people hated for different reasons. But this doesn’t explain why the emotional tenor of the hatred seems so consistent, even as the rationale for it has turned inside out. Perhaps that’s because anti-Hillary animus is only partly about what she does. It’s also driven by some ineffable quality of charisma, or the lack of it.
No doubt, this quality is gendered; Americans tend not to like ambitious women with loud voices. As Rebecca Traister wrote in her recent New York magazine profile of Clinton, “It’s worth asking to what degree charisma, as we have defined it, is a masculine trait. Can a woman appeal to the country in the same way we are used to men doing it?”
Marianne Cooper, a sociologist at Stanford’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research and the lead researcher on Sheryl Sandberg’s Lean In, says that women who are successful in areas that are culturally coded as male are typically seen as “abrasive, conniving, not trustworthy, and selfish.”
Can a woman appeal to the country in the same way we are used to men doing it?” Elizabeth Warren’s forthright authenticity is often favorably contrasted with Clinton’s calculated persona, but when Warren was running for Senate against Scott Brown, she was also widely painted as dishonest and unlikable. (According to one poll, even Democrats found Brown more personally appealing.) This fits a broader pattern. Marianne Cooper, a sociologist at Stanford’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research and the lead researcher on Sheryl Sandberg’s Lean In, says that women who are successful in areas that are culturally coded as male are typically seen as “abrasive, conniving, not trustworthy, and selfish.”
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2016 21:19:07 GMT -5
That isn't remotely the reason I can't stand her. I'd love to see a woman president. Just not her.
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 21:28:44 GMT -5
I really wish I could quote way more of the article, but what strikes me the most is I believe people project a lot of stuff onto her, from belief a woman who doesn't want to do X means she despises X to perhaps people who fear smart people who don't seem their type of friendly and especially their acceptable type for a woman.
Here's one-
Now 78, she says her negative feelings about Clinton first arose during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. Rosner says she was especially irritated when, in response to criticism of her work at the Rose Law Firm, Hillary said, “You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession.”
That bugged me,” says Rosner. “She was putting down regular women, people who stay home and take care of kids and bake cookies.” It’s not that Rosner was offended on behalf of housewives; she herself has always had a career.
I think Rosner made the comment personal to her & imagined others instead of seeing it in the intended context of 'I Hillary preferred to do my profession instead of staying home.'
Several of the people I spoke to see Clinton as lacking in humanity. It’s not just that they don’t like her—they also feel, on some level, that she doesn’t like them. “I don’t think she has a clue what people in my position need in life and certainly wouldn’t stoop to, quote unquote, my level,” says Mindy Gardner, a 49-year-old in Davenport,
This last quote to me is huge.
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 21:33:54 GMT -5
That isn't remotely the reason I can't stand her. I'd love to see a woman president. Just not her. Have you read the entire article yet? It makes a case that it is her perceived personality that people judge and decide to hate her. I agree she has Romney type issues but it is compounded because she is not the kind of woman people approve of. She's not feminine enough or outgoing enough to fit in most people's boxes of what an acceptable likeable woman is like.
I realize of course you wouldn't like some of her policy positions anyway.
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 31, 2016 21:34:23 GMT -5
Actually can some people in all honestly in this thread say why they don't like her? I'm curious.
Because in all honesty? People I see not liking her just call her names like crooked, or wench, or a disgusting human but then they never say why. They never give examples. I see people all the time saying why they think Trump is this way then give an example as to why but never with Clinton. They call her a liar but then never say what she lied about.
I know the emails are one thing but I actually wasn't alive during the Clinton era (i was alive but i was a baby to like third grade) so I guess I don't know fully what everyone is talking about. I do believe people can change though and I try not to think about what Hilary did 20+ years ago because people do change. I also try not to think about what Trump did 20+ years ago. I try to go with how people are today and what they do today as in the past five years.
I just know that in the midst of some of the drama she has done a lot of good for woman's rights and students with disabilities and so many other things that I haven't seen Trump do any good like this in the midst of what I don't like about him.
But without trying to bring it back to Trump... I do want to know what makes people not want to vote for her other then the emails...unless that's the soul purpose? Or is it REALLY just people holding grudges on things she did like 20 years ago?
Can people tell me why they don't like her with examples as to what she's done to make them feel this way? Honest question.
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 31, 2016 21:40:11 GMT -5
And I really do think some of her thoughts and words she spoke 15-20 years ago really have stuck with some people. But, I know that some of her views back during Bill Clinton's era have changed as well. I know some of her opinions on certain issues have changed, including certain groups of people. It just seems some people hold onto what she said in say 1995 and never let it go. Trump doesn't really have to deal with that much.
I notice they'll say things Clinton said 10 years ago in response to see "Clinton's bad!" in comparison to something Trump just said last week.
And I just can't hold onto what someone said 25 years ago as what they truly think or believe now. I also wouldn't hold a mistake someone made 15 years ago to judge their now character. I truly believe people can change.
It kind of reminds me of what happened to Paula Dean who admitted that when she was younger she was quite racist because that's how she was raised. But as she grew older she realized her opinions and her thoughts were wrong and she changed those views. She tried to express this and SO many people still "hated" her just because of what she grew up thinking even though she realized her mistake and changed her views. I felt so bad for her to be honest.
I know for one I've changed my views a lot and I'm much younger then Paula Dean so people can change and I imagine the older you get the more changes some people can go through and the more mistakes they've made.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2016 21:45:56 GMT -5
I think it's pointless to keep posting why you don't like someone. Another poster or several will just get on and say you're wrong. I'm not a fan of Trump either but I will never vote for her. It's not her drive or personality that's my issue or even the fact that she stayed with her husband. It goes way deeper than that.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2016 21:47:16 GMT -5
That isn't remotely the reason I can't stand her. I'd love to see a woman president. Just not her. Have you read the entire article yet? It makes a case that it is her perceived personality that people judge and decide to hate her. I agree she has Romney type issues but it is compounded because she is not the kind of woman people approve of. She's not feminine enough or outgoing enough to fit in most people's boxes of what an acceptable likeable woman is like.
I realize of course you wouldn't like some of her policy positions anyway.
None of those reasons are why I won't vote for her.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2016 21:48:33 GMT -5
The emails are the least of it as well. It's just another symptom of her disease.
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 31, 2016 22:06:01 GMT -5
I think it's pointless to keep posting why you don't like someone. Another poster or several will just get on and say you're wrong. I'm not a fan of Trump either but I will never vote for her. It's not her drive or personality that's my issue or even the fact that she stayed with her husband. It goes way deeper than that. I honestly haven't seen anywhere where someone has said why they don't like her? I've seen people call her named but not why they don't like her. It was an honest question. Because at the start of the election I was for Sanders. And I remember saying "I don't like Clinton!" but to be honest I feel like I was just going with what the crowd was saying and I don't know what it was I didn't like about her. I know why I don't like Trump but I personally still don't know what it is people don't like about Clinton. I see people call her names but then I just never see examples as to why they're call her this or why they believe she's this. All I ever see is the example of the emails or things she said fifteen years ago. I mean if that's why, okay? But I'm honestly just wondering if I'm missing something that she's done recently or said recently that people really hate? Other then the emails? Or is it soul the emails and things that happened fifteen years ago?
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Post by Kolt! on Jul 31, 2016 22:13:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't imagine being viewed as having too many morals is much of a problem for her . The reasons I dislike her are based off of both morals/ethics and also her tenure as Secretary of state being so lousy. On the moral/ethical front you've got scandals going all the way back to Whitewater up to the present day with campaign contributions from foreign countries. I'm sure there are plenty of lists out there if you want to know all of them - I don't actually know ALL of them because I stopped caring once I knew she was a turd. On the job front - she got people killed and she gave up state secrets. Being president will only make situations like that even bigger...more lives in the balance and bigger secrets to mishandle. Then finally - this isn't a reason to dislike her on a personal level but a reason to not vote for her - is that we are diametrically opposed on some pretty major issues. Especially freedoms like gun control and freedom of the press. It's not enough to make me think Trump's the better choice. But I am glad I finally saw some more input on why someone doesn't like her. I honestly haven't seen much through so much debate and FB and such because most people that don't like her just call her a name with no explanations as to what they don't like about her. I understand the concerns about some of her background with campaign contributions and some of the stuff that happened during secretary of state which she has since then talked about and such. But, I just still can't see it being enough reason for me going for Trump. I really liked her speech and I was all "Okay clinton's a go for me!" the night of the speech but I've also been considering a third party vote as well. I'm just battling between Clinton and third party at this point. I just personally can't stand the idea of a Trump winning so I fear going for third party automatically means a Trump victory. And I'd rather live through a Crooked Hillary for four-eight years then a Crooked Trump for 4-8 years.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 31, 2016 22:18:49 GMT -5
I've followed her ever since Bill first ran for office. I remember when she got raked over the coals about the "baking cookies" remark. I knew exactly what she was saying and sympathised with her.
I watched her fight for health care and lose with grace. Over the years she became much more careful and cautious about what she said. I'd get annoyed at her careful preciceness, but understood the reason.
She earned my respect when she was publically humiliated by her husband's affairs. She held her head up and maintained her dignity. People criticized her for not leaving him, but that is a personal decision anyone with a cheating spouse must decide for themself.
The right wing drug out one "scandal" after another, but in spite of many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, spent investingating her, nothing was ever proven.
After serving as a US Senator and Sec of State, she is easily the most qualified person to ever run. Now I like her careful precision. I want a president who can control his or her mouth.
She is smart and tough. She doesn't fit into anyone's mental pigeon hole and I think it makes some uncomfortable. She doesn't have Obama's charisma, but politically, I doubt any female could combine likeability with electability.
Just my .02
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 22:22:54 GMT -5
Actually can some people in all honestly in this thread say why they don't like her? I'm curious. Because in all honesty? People I see not liking her just call her names like crooked, or wench, or a disgusting human but then they never say why. They never give examples. I see people all the time saying why they think Trump is this way then give an example as to why but never with Clinton. They call her a liar but then never say what she lied about. I know the emails are one thing but I actually wasn't alive during the Clinton era (i was alive but i was a baby to like third grade) so I guess I don't know fully what everyone is talking about. I do believe people can change though and I try not to think about what Hilary did 20+ years ago because people do change. I also try not to think about what Trump did 20+ years ago. I try to go with how people are today and what they do today as in the past five years. I just know that in the midst of some of the drama she has done a lot of good for woman's rights and students with disabilities and so many other things that I haven't seen Trump do any good like this in the midst of what I don't like about him. But without trying to bring it back to Trump... I do want to know what makes people not want to vote for her other then the emails...unless that's the soul purpose? Or is it REALLY just people holding grudges on things she did like 20 years ago? Can people tell me why they don't like her with examples as to what she's done to make them feel this way? Honest question. Here's an interesting article about reasons folks like her and don't like her. www.gallup.com/poll/168041/clinton-top-selling-point-2016-first-female-president.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=PoliticsI find it interesting that the largest reason people like her is that she would be the first woman president at 18% and only 5% because she is the best choice. Startling really. Interesting look at March 2014. I wonder if there is anything more current?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 31, 2016 22:27:16 GMT -5
I really wish I could quote way more of the article, but what strikes me the most is I believe people project a lot of stuff onto her, from belief a woman who doesn't want to do X means she despises X to perhaps people who fear smart people who don't seem their type of friendly and especially their acceptable type for a woman.
Here's one-
Now 78, she says her negative feelings about Clinton first arose during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. Rosner says she was especially irritated when, in response to criticism of her work at the Rose Law Firm, Hillary said, “You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession.”
That bugged me,” says Rosner. “She was putting down regular women, people who stay home and take care of kids and bake cookies.” It’s not that Rosner was offended on behalf of housewives; she herself has always had a career.
I think Rosner made the comment personal to her & imagined others instead of seeing it in the intended context of 'I Hillary preferred to do my profession instead of staying home.'
Several of the people I spoke to see Clinton as lacking in humanity. It’s not just that they don’t like her—they also feel, on some level, that she doesn’t like them. “I don’t think she has a clue what people in my position need in life and certainly wouldn’t stoop to, quote unquote, my level,” says Mindy Gardner, a 49-year-old in Davenport,
This last quote to me is huge. Do what I do-post the rest of the article and what ever else behind the SPOILER. Copy and past it. But double check it before posting for the spacing of lines.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 31, 2016 22:27:39 GMT -5
Actually can some people in all honestly in this thread say why they don't like her? I'm curious. Because in all honesty? People I see not liking her just call her names like crooked, or wench, or a disgusting human but then they never say why. They never give examples. I see people all the time saying why they think Trump is this way then give an example as to why but never with Clinton. They call her a liar but then never say what she lied about. I know the emails are one thing but I actually wasn't alive during the Clinton era (i was alive but i was a baby to like third grade) so I guess I don't know fully what everyone is talking about. I do believe people can change though and I try not to think about what Hilary did 20+ years ago because people do change. I also try not to think about what Trump did 20+ years ago. I try to go with how people are today and what they do today as in the past five years. I just know that in the midst of some of the drama she has done a lot of good for woman's rights and students with disabilities and so many other things that I haven't seen Trump do any good like this in the midst of what I don't like about him. But without trying to bring it back to Trump... I do want to know what makes people not want to vote for her other then the emails...unless that's the soul purpose? Or is it REALLY just people holding grudges on things she did like 20 years ago? Can people tell me why they don't like her with examples as to what she's done to make them feel this way? Honest question. Here's an interesting article about reasons folks like her and don't like her. www.gallup.com/poll/168041/clinton-top-selling-point-2016-first-female-president.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=PoliticsI find it interesting that the largest reason people like her is that she would be the first woman president at 18% and only 5% because she is the best choice. Startling really. To be a bit (okay a lot) more accurate, that poll does not ask why they like her. It asks what would be the most positive thing about her being elected. It is not unreasonable to think that someone would answer that way. They could like her for any or all of several reasons and still consider that breaking the precedent of never before having a female president in our history is the most noteworthy outcome for the country in that it sets up new possibilities for the future. The poll does not at all say what you think it says.
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 22:28:25 GMT -5
I've followed her ever since Bill first ran for office. I remember when she got raked over the coals about the "baking cookies" remark. I knew exactly what she was saying and sympathised with her. I watched her fight for health care and lose with grace. Over the years she became much more careful and cautious about what she said. I'd get annoyed at her careful preciceness, but understood the reason. She earned my respect when she was publically humiliated by her husband's affairs. She held her head up and maintained her dignity. People criticized her for not leaving him, but that is a personal decision anyone with a cheating spouse must decide for themself. The right wing drug out one "scandal" after another, but in spite of many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, spent investingating her, nothing was ever proven. After serving as a US Senator and Sec of State, she is easily the most qualified person to ever run. Now I like her careful precision. I want a president who can control his or her mouth. She is smart and tough. She doesn't fit into anyone's mental pigeon hole and I think it makes some uncomfortable. She doesn't have Obama's charisma, but politically, I doubt any female could combine likeability with electability.
Just my .02 I think its possible, but its a small sweet spot. I think Ann Richards might have been there.
One of the many interesting things in the OP article is that it talked briefly about Elizabeth Warren. I think she gets quite a few positives because of Bernie's success as opposed to being perceived as smart & cool by herself. It noted that in one of her elections, her likeability was considered lower than her Republican opponent by her own party's voters. I do think there is a certain personality type that gets more grief if held by a woman instead of a man.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 31, 2016 22:34:16 GMT -5
Again, no, it really didn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 31, 2016 22:43:43 GMT -5
Giffords, i believe.
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 22:57:39 GMT -5
Another interesting article, although I know some won't read it because it is unfortunately posted from the daily kos.
www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen
In January of 1996, while Whitewater investigations were underway but unfinished, conservative writer William Safire wrote a scathing and now-famous essay about Hillary Clinton entitled, “Blizzard of Lies”. In the piece he called her a “congenital liar”, and accused her of forcing her friends and subordinates into a “web of deceit”. He insisted (without any apparent evidence) that she took bribes, evaded taxes, forced her own attorneys to perjure themselves, “bamboozled” bank regulators, and was actively involved in criminal enterprises that defrauded the government of millions of dollars. He ended the piece by stating that, “She had good reasons to lie; she is in the longtime habit of lying; and she has never been called to account for lying herself or in suborning lying in her aides and friends.”
I am no political historian, but as far as I can tell this short essay was the birth of the “Hillary is a Liar” meme. Now to be clear, most conservatives already strongly disliked her. They had been upset with her for some time because she had refused to play the traditional First Lady role.
But if you look for the actual reasons people didn’t like her back at that time, you won’t see ongoing accusations of her being “crooked” or a “liar”. Instead, the most common opinion seemed to be that she was a self-righteous leftist who considered anyone with other views to be morally inferior. In short, the prevailing anti-Hillary accusation was not that she was unrelentingly dishonest, but that she was just intolerably smug.
After the Safire piece however, this all changed. Republicans, who learned from Nixon never to let a good propaganda opportunity pass if they could help it, repeated the accusations of mendacity non-stop to anyone who would broadcast or print them. ... Safire was eventually proven wrong about everything he had written.
So I’ve made a claim. Let’s look at some numbers. Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady,
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 31, 2016 23:13:29 GMT -5
Ann Richards was another smart, tough woman.....
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Post by Opti on Jul 31, 2016 23:49:31 GMT -5
William Safire wasn't a blogger. He is also dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire
The gender double standard exists in our society. In a recent TIME magazine, there is a thought provoking article concerning the experiences of trans genders. They discuss how they have been treated differently going either from male to female or female to male. In one of the latter cases, one person commented on how easy it was now to get their articles published. Just having a male name, opened doors.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 1, 2016 1:32:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't imagine being viewed as having too many morals is much of a problem for her . The reasons I dislike her are based off of both morals/ethics and also her tenure as Secretary of state being so lousy. On the moral/ethical front you've got scandals going all the way back to Whitewater up to the present day with campaign contributions from foreign countries. I'm sure there are plenty of lists out there if you want to know all of them - I don't actually know ALL of them because I stopped caring once I knew she was a turd. On the job front - she got people killed and she gave up state secrets. Being president will only make situations like that even bigger...more lives in the balance and bigger secrets to mishandle. Then finally - this isn't a reason to dislike her on a personal level but a reason to not vote for her - is that we are diametrically opposed on some pretty major issues. Especially freedoms like gun control and freedom of the press. Oh, you mean like this? Donald Trump Is Hitting Up Foreign Politicians for Illegal Campaign Donations But he also inundated members of Parliament in the U.K., Australia, and Iceland with requests for illegal campaign contributions. On Tuesday, Talking Points Memo reported that a bunch of U.K. MPs have had their in-boxes clogged by Trump’s “intemperate spam.” nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-asks-uk-mps-for-illegal-donations.html
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Yeah, I don't imagine being viewed as having too many morals is much of a problem for her . The reasons I dislike her are based off of both morals/ethics and also her tenure as Secretary of state being so lousy. On the moral/ethical front you've got scandals going all the way back to Whitewater up to the present day with campaign contributions from foreign countries. I'm sure there are plenty of lists out there if you want to know all of them - I don't actually know ALL of them because I stopped caring once I knew she was a turd. On the job front - she got people killed and she gave up state secrets. Being president will only make situations like that even bigger...more lives in the balance and bigger secrets to mishandle. Then finally - this isn't a reason to dislike her on a personal level but a reason to not vote for her - is that we are diametrically opposed on some pretty major issues. Especially freedoms like gun control and freedom of the press. I'm so glad I read this before wasting my time typing almost the exact same post. This is (basically) my answer as well.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 1, 2016 8:18:24 GMT -5
You see? All you do is get the liberals saying she's great and everyone just makes this shit up about her or don't like her because she's a woman. It isn't that at all but it's easier to pretend that's her issue than face what she really is. Count me in among those who dislike both candidates but she is evil personified.
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Post by swamp on Aug 1, 2016 8:35:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty liberal. I did not like Hillary Clinton.
Then, she ran for Senator of NY. I did not vote for her. She won anyway.
I changed my mind about her. She was a fantastic Senator and served NY well. She was really informed about the issues and spoke well about them. She had farm policy down pat, especially dairy. I can't imagine she really had any knowledge about it prior to her election.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2016 9:38:36 GMT -5
Trump lies pretty much constantly. he would be wise to continue repeating that Hillary lies, or it will doom him.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 1, 2016 9:41:56 GMT -5
I really wish I could quote way more of the article, but what strikes me the most is I believe people project a lot of stuff onto her, from belief a woman who doesn't want to do X means she despises X to perhaps people who fear smart people who don't seem their type of friendly and especially their acceptable type for a woman.
Here's one-
Now 78, she says her negative feelings about Clinton first arose during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. Rosner says she was especially irritated when, in response to criticism of her work at the Rose Law Firm, Hillary said, “You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession.”
That bugged me,” says Rosner. “She was putting down regular women, people who stay home and take care of kids and bake cookies.” It’s not that Rosner was offended on behalf of housewives; she herself has always had a career.
I think Rosner made the comment personal to her & imagined others instead of seeing it in the intended context of 'I Hillary preferred to do my profession instead of staying home.'
Several of the people I spoke to see Clinton as lacking in humanity. It’s not just that they don’t like her—they also feel, on some level, that she doesn’t like them. “I don’t think she has a clue what people in my position need in life and certainly wouldn’t stoop to, quote unquote, my level,” says Mindy Gardner, a 49-year-old in Davenport,
This last quote to me is huge. Do what I do-post the rest of the article and what ever else behind the SPOILER. Copy and past it. But double check it before posting for the spacing of lines. actually, i would prefer that you NOT do that. because even with a source link that is probably against copyright laws and the COC plainly says "a snippet" with the link. any posts using the spoiler menthod to try and circumvent need to be edited, please. that includes this one, Opti.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 1, 2016 9:46:34 GMT -5
Do what I do-post the rest of the article and what ever else behind the SPOILER. Copy and past it. But double check it before posting for the spacing of lines. actually, i would prefer that you NOT do that. because even with a source link that is probably against copyright laws and the COC plainly says "a snippet" with the link. any posts using the spoiler menthod to try and circumvent need to be edited, please. that includes this one, Opti. I was thinking more of the wall of text rule.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2016 9:49:06 GMT -5
William Safire wasn't a blogger. He is also dead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Safire
The gender double standard exists in our society. In a recent TIME magazine, there is a thought provoking article concerning the experiences of trans genders. They discuss how they have been treated differently going either from male to female or female to male. In one of the latter cases, one person commented on how easy it was now to get their articles published. Just having a male name, opened doors. Victor-Victoria
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Post by Opti on Aug 1, 2016 9:56:52 GMT -5
Do what I do-post the rest of the article and what ever else behind the SPOILER. Copy and past it. But double check it before posting for the spacing of lines. actually, i would prefer that you NOT do that. because even with a source link that is probably against copyright laws and the COC plainly says "a snippet" with the link. any posts using the spoiler menthod to try and circumvent need to be edited, please. that includes this one, Opti . I trimmed the OP. I removed a paragraph from the visible post and also from the spoiler. Let me know if you need more trimming. I'll address the other one within an hour or so.
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