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Post by snapdragon on Jul 28, 2016 16:13:27 GMT -5
To be honest I don't believe that I will be voting for a President this year. I just CAN NOT get past what I know about both of them that makes me comfortable with voting for one. I appreciate that HRC has broken through and is now on the ticket. That is wonderful for women. But I have problems with how things have shaken out through her state department tenure that really bug me. I just can't vote for her. DT - I am just so conflicted that he actually managed to get the nod and be on the ticket. I have family that are completely behind him and they gave me some of their reasoning. I don't attempt to change their minds because they are set. He just does not have the poise or history that I can be comfortable with. I do appreciate that he chose someone who told him off as his VP pick though. So I really don't know if I will be voting.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Jul 28, 2016 16:36:42 GMT -5
Just reading Hilliary's brief life outline in wikipedia is extremely impressive. Her academic accomplishments, early public service, her career trajectory are all outstanding. this all predates her flotus years. I'd be far more inclined to say Bill wouldn't have had the carreer he had without her, rather than vice versa. She made some mistakes, but she is extremely qualified both in terms of experience, skill, and character. it should come down to do you agree with her policies, and do you think she can work productively to achieve them. It seems to be a popular thing to find fault with her, but it is entirely out of bounds to the usual vetting in the press. I'll be interested to see how the history is seen 50 years from now. I will be voting enthusiastically for her in November. Not because I think she's perfect, but because she is way ahead of most candidates in recent history. And the other side is abhorrent. So, even regardless of policy preferences, it's an easy choice. So much
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2016 16:45:27 GMT -5
I thought voting for Hillary because she's a woman ran counter to feminism, and she should be judged on merits (or lack there of). And I thought it also ran counter to feminism to dictate to women how they should think or vote because there is a female running. But maybe I don't understand feminism. Nope you don't get. You will never get it because you've never had to. You are a white male. There has never been the question of will you see someone like you be president in your life time. This is history. This is groundbreaking. This is something my mother thought she wouldn't live to see. You can not like Hillary, you can vote for trump and still be able to recognize and celebrate what a huge stride forward this is for women. Just as you can disagree with Obama but still recognize the importance of the first black president. Again it's insulting to say the only reason she could be president is because us women can't see past her anatomy. What about men who vote for her? Are they voting with their vagina's too? When you bite for trump are you doing it cause he has a penis too?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 28, 2016 16:59:10 GMT -5
To be honest I don't believe that I will be voting for a President this year. I just CAN NOT get past what I know about both of them that makes me comfortable with voting for one. I appreciate that HRC has broken through and is now on the ticket. That is wonderful for women. But I have problems with how things have shaken out through her state department tenure that really bug me. I just can't vote for her. DT - I am just so conflicted that he actually managed to get the nod and be on the ticket. I have family that are completely behind him and they gave me some of their reasoning. I don't attempt to change their minds because they are set. He just does not have the poise or history that I can be comfortable with. I do appreciate that he chose someone who told him off as his VP pick though. So I really don't know if I will be voting. Do you know who else will be on your state ballot to vote for? In most, if not all, there will be other choices than those two.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 17:07:01 GMT -5
So "orange sack o'crap" isn't a petty insult? Um, yeah that's a petty insult. calling an woman a "hag" is not a petty insult - it's one step away from using the C word.
You could also call a woman an "orange sack o'crap" - I'd be pissed if a man called me an "orange sack o'crap" assuming I had a bad tan and/or a hair color gone bad - a man who called me a 'hag' puts the word fight into a whole other category.
Maybe it's an generational thing and "hag" has lost some of it's more ugly connotations? Maybe I'm just old.
I think it's worth noting that I called Trump a Jackass but no one took umbrage with it. Or when people call Trump a "orange sack of crap." As I said, I think your outrage is selective based on whether you like/will vote for the candidate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 17:15:20 GMT -5
I am 62 years old, and this is the first election that I can remember where I felt if the person I wasn't voting for won, we would be in trouble. I voted for Obama, but McCain would have been a good president, if a different one from what I wanted. Ditto a zillion others.
I always felt both parties put forth their best candidate (whatever "best" means), and the electorate simply decided.
I am not a Hillary fan, but Trump really scares me. He is a demagogue and a racist. He talks without thinking. He does personal attacks. He takes things so personally. He could get us in a war just because another country called him an "orange piece of whatever." No one has ever needed a handler more.
Alabama will go for Trump so my vote doesn't really matter. But Alabama's vote doesn't really matter either. It must be difficult to live in a state with a significant number of electoral votes.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 17:24:15 GMT -5
I thought voting for Hillary because she's a woman ran counter to feminism, and she should be judged on merits (or lack there of). And I thought it also ran counter to feminism to dictate to women how they should think or vote because there is a female running. But maybe I don't understand feminism. Nope you don't get. You will never get it because you've never had to. You are a white male. There has never been the question of will you see someone like you be president in your life time. This is history. This is groundbreaking. This is something my mother thought she wouldn't live to see. You can not like Hillary, you can vote for trump and still be able to recognize and celebrate what a huge stride forward this is for women. Just as you can disagree with Obama but still recognize the importance of the first black president. Again it's insulting to say the only reason she could be president is because us women can't see past her anatomy. What about men who vote for her? Are they voting with their vagina's too? When you bite for trump are you doing it cause he has a penis too? I have concerns about Trump. His apparent infatuation with Russia and Putin, and his apparent lack of commitment to NATO IS concerning to me. While I don't really care about what he said and who he said it to, his lack of care for speaking is also concerning. One of the primary duties of the president is as a diplomat, and you don't say things off the cuff. I also disagree with his anti free trade policies, I think they would do more harm than good. I'll likely vote for Trump because, as I said, I think either one of them gives a shit about me (or any of us). But at least Trump won't lie to your face about it behind honeyed words, and I at least agree with SOME of his positions (i.e. Illegal Immigration) vs. Hillary which I agree with virtually nothing. And Hillary has been a lighting rod for controversy. Benghazi, e-mail server, outright proven lies (I was under sniper fire), part of Obama's failed Syria/ISIS policies.... The e-mail server issue in particular is an issue for me. I know of specific cases where people were fired from federal jobs for mishandling classified information, and yet people want to vote this woman for president? I honestly couldn't live with myself, casting a vote for her. So where does that leave me? I can vote 3rd party, which might as well be a vote for Clinton, or not vote at all, which would run counter to my beliefs, as I view voting as a fundamental civic duty. In the end, that's really all it comes down to, what can I do to live with myself afterward.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 17:29:18 GMT -5
Well, if she does win, hopefully we can "get it out of our system" and start actually selecting the best person to run the country and not whatever the "historic" candidate might be as far as skin color or genitals.
I guess that would be the silver lining.
Although I recognize the signifcance on a historical level, I think the job is too important to let such things enter into your decision making. I want the BEST person, or as is the case in this election, the least worst, irrespective of gender. I wouldn't have a problem with a woman president if I felt she represented my views and had the integrity for the job.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2016 17:38:50 GMT -5
Well, if she does win, hopefully we can "get it out of our system" and start actually selecting the best person to run the country and not whatever the "historic" candidate might be as far as skin color or genitals. I guess that would be the silver lining. Although I recognize the signifcance on a historical level, I think the job is too important to let such things enter into your decision making. I want the BEST person, or as is the case in this election, the least worst, irrespective of gender. I wouldn't have a problem with a woman president if I felt she represented my views and had the integrity for the job. Again you are assuming that I'm voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. If I was that eager to have a woman any woman in office I would have voted for McCain so Palin could be VP. Please stop with assumption that any woman who votes for Hillary is doing so just so a woman can hold office. It's equally insulting to say similar thing about Obama winning. I could say that the reason we've never had a woman president is because men are determined to keep a penis in the office at any cost and that's the only reason a man would vote for someone like trump. Is that why you are voting for trump? If not then why do you insist the only reason I'd consider Hillary is she has a vagina?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2016 17:43:25 GMT -5
Give it up, Drama.....he simply cannot see the connection.
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Post by quince on Jul 28, 2016 17:44:22 GMT -5
It is possible to be exited about the potential for a woman to hold the office without her gender being why you want her there.
In my case, her quality of being NotTrump is a huge plus.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 28, 2016 17:48:26 GMT -5
Well, if she does win, hopefully we can "get it out of our system" and start actually selecting the best person to run the country and not whatever the "historic" candidate might be as far as skin color or genitals. I guess that would be the silver lining. Although I recognize the signifcance on a historical level, I think the job is too important to let such things enter into your decision making. I want the BEST person, or as is the case in this election, the least worst, irrespective of gender. I wouldn't have a problem with a woman president if I felt she represented my views and had the integrity for the job. Again you are assuming that I'm voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. If I was that eager to have a woman any woman in office I would have voted for McCain so Palin could be VP. Please stop with assumption that any woman who votes for Hillary is doing so just so a woman can hold office. It's equally insulting to say similar thing about Obama winning. I could say that the reason we've never had a woman president is because men are determined to keep a penis in the office at any cost and that's the only reason a man would vote for someone like trump. Is that why you are voting for trump? If not then why do you insist the only reason I'd consider Hillary is she has a vagina? I described in post #250 why I'll likely vote for Trump, but I haven't 100% committed to it yet, I may vote for Johnson, depending on how things go. I get that you aren't voting for Hillary because she's female. You're voting for her because you think she's better suited for the job. I don't agree that's the case, and I think you're ignoring some pretty glaring flaws, but obviously you don't think so, and that's how democracy works.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2016 17:57:20 GMT -5
Again you are assuming that I'm voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. If I was that eager to have a woman any woman in office I would have voted for McCain so Palin could be VP. Please stop with assumption that any woman who votes for Hillary is doing so just so a woman can hold office. It's equally insulting to say similar thing about Obama winning. I could say that the reason we've never had a woman president is because men are determined to keep a penis in the office at any cost and that's the only reason a man would vote for someone like trump. Is that why you are voting for trump? If not then why do you insist the only reason I'd consider Hillary is she has a vagina? I described in post #250 why I'll likely vote for Trump, but I haven't 100% committed to it yet, I may vote for Johnson, depending on how things go. I get that you aren't voting for Hillary because she's female. You're voting for her because you think she's better suited for the job. I don't agree that's the case, and I think you're ignoring some pretty glaring flaws, but obviously you don't think so, and that's how democracy works. No one has said Hilary is perfect. I would imagine most of us voting for her are afraid as to what Trump would do to he relations that the US has with the rest if the world. He has no diplomacy whatsoever. And yes, Trump lies like a rug. In fact, there is a new web site out detailing all his lies and where they were digitally caught.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2016 17:59:27 GMT -5
IMO, the sniper fire story is just simply mixed-up memories. It probably happens to everyone every once in a while. Most of us are fortunate enough to not have these mistakes broadcast and recorded.
Feel free to chime in if your memory is 100% accurate all of the time.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2016 18:18:39 GMT -5
IMO, the sniper fire story is just simply mixed-up memories. It probably happens to everyone every once in a while. Most of us are fortunate enough to not have these mistakes broadcast and recorded. Feel free to chime in if your memory is 100% accurate all of the time. If you can't remember if you've been shot at or not I think a case could be made that she's mentally unfit for the job. People forget where they parked there car or to stop and get milk on the way home, not that they have/haven't been shot at by a sniper. It's quite easy to combine 2 memories--someone mentioning sniper fire as a possibility, + the sound of gunshots at another time.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 28, 2016 18:30:52 GMT -5
What I've learned today:
The ideal female presidential candidate must be open and honest all the time, be married to a man who she can guarantee will stay faithful, be religious and completely devoted to her family, have put in years of acceptable public service, be not too young or too old, be relatively attractive but not overly so, and have never made a mistake - personal or professional. Since no female candidate exists that fits this description because it would be near impossible, the only logical conclusion is that no female is qualified to be a presidential candidate.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2016 18:34:01 GMT -5
What I've learned today: The ideal female presidential candidate must be open and honest all the time, be married to a man who she can guarantee will stay faithful, be religious and completely devoted to her family, have put in years of acceptable public service, be not too young or too old, be relatively attractive but not overly so, and have never made a mistake - personal or professional. Since no female candidate exists that fits this description because it would be near impossible, the only logical conclusion is that no female is qualified to be a presidential candidate. You forgot something.... She can't be married to a spouse who is also in politics, or the presumption is that she got there on his coattails. Regardless of her own credentials.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 28, 2016 18:34:33 GMT -5
...or she could be Republican, then most of that needn't apply. ;-)
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Post by jkapp on Jul 28, 2016 18:53:58 GMT -5
Hillary is a pretty piss poor role model for girls. Sticking with a man who abuses your trust for career and political gain. A known liar, and the "unethical but not technically illegal" mishandling of our nations secrets. Yeah, I bet everyone wants their daughter to be just like that. Hillary is a reasonable role model if you model parts of her life you agree with. I won't go into why because I am in shock and anger over Trump's willingness to destroy America for his own gain.
You want a bad role model? I give you Trump. A man so exceedingly blinded by ambition and need for praise that he would ask the one foreign power that could destroy the West to go through our government's computer system. To help him win the election.
Trump is playing for worst role model on the planet. What he is setting into motion could destroy countries and kill millions if not more. Heck, he'll think about simply handing over a country to Russia.
Interesting since you posted this about the email scandal itself.
"But alright for fun let's pretend we are in an alternate universe. Emails from Clinton, Powell, and Rice were carefully saved in Federal archives. Did any of these emails save the US from future events? Did 9/11 not happen simply because of a saved email? Does some policy wonk through reading Powell's and Clinton's email get divinely inspired and figure out a way to defeat ISIS and stop the next mass attack in Europe?
Or do they mostly sit there, take up space, and maybe once in a blue moon some wonk or wonkette reads a few and nothing really changes?"
So apparently you don't care about the emails unless Trump uses them in a sarcastic statement. And you talk about OTHER people's double standards?
Plus, you didn't even get Trump's statement right (unless you just get your news from talking points of biased left-leaning sources, of course). Here's what he said: “If they hacked, they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do,” Trump said at a press conference at his resort in Doral, Florida.
The Republican presidential nominee was referring to the widely held suspicion that Russia is responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee’s servers, resulting in the leak of tens of thousands of emails just days before the party’s nominating convention in Philadelphia.
Trump said that he hoped the hackers had also accessed Clinton’s private email servers. “They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted.”
Trump then addressed the rogue nation directly, saying “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-hack_us_5798d1c8e4b02d5d5ed3b51a
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2016 18:57:41 GMT -5
What concerns me about Trump is his mouth. We can argue all day long that he doesn't mean" it. Personally I think that if a presidential candidate is suggesting Russia (or China or North Korea) hack our servers so they can prove his political opponent to be a liar is NOT someone I want to hand the highest office in the country to. I don't want to sit around and wait to see if I am proven wrong. There are also his comments about wanting to be able to sue the press if they say things he doesn't like about him. Then there is the issue with the lawsuit about Trump University and how he thinks they are against him because the judge is of Mexican descent. Some of what he has said is a little too "1984" for my tastes. Trump may not personally believe everything he spews out but he's turning over some very ugly rocks in order to get himself elected. That also concerns me. I know he cannot control who endorses him but when the leader of the KKK comes out publiclly to support you MAYBE it's time to reflect on your choice of words. He doesn't seem to get that being president is not like being a CEO. We are a representational republic not a dictatorship where he can "fire" anyone he doesn't like or agree with. I know he's said he will surround himself with intelligent people who know more than he does. I sure as hell haven't seen it. Either he really meant yes men or he's actively ignoring his handlers continuing to capitalize on being "Reality Trump". I am not sure which is scarier. I'll probably get flamed but I honestly cannot get that worked up about Hillary's emails. Not after watching a segment on ABC News about how some REALLY REALLY important stuff is being stored on computers older than I am. So old that there is no way to secure them against an attack. Why are they on there. . .because the computers are still working so why spend money to replace/update them? Yeah at least the server Hillary was using is from 2014/15. The security codes for weapons that can cause extinction of the human race are on 1970s IBMs. I also think she is better equipped to work across party lines (if that's even possible anymore), pick a competent cabinet and work with our allies. I also think she's less likely to start WWIII by shooting off her mouth. There have been NINE investigations about her emails and I don't remember how many about Benghazi. They haven't found anything. I just don't have the mental energy to get into conspiracy theories. Our justice system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty not "Keep going until we get the conviction we really want". So as far as I am concerned it's over. If we really wanted to I am sure there are quite a few skeletons in Trump's closet that would make us pause. I get being frustrated at the establishment and status quo. I just do not believe that going to the opposite end of the extreme is going to make things better.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 28, 2016 19:02:37 GMT -5
Well, if she does win, hopefully we can "get it out of our system" and start actually selecting the best person to run the country and not whatever the "historic" candidate might be as far as skin color or genitals. I guess that would be the silver lining. Although I recognize the signifcance on a historical level, I think the job is too important to let such things enter into your decision making. I want the BEST person, or as is the case in this election, the least worst, irrespective of gender. I wouldn't have a problem with a woman president if I felt she represented my views and had the integrity for the job. Again you are assuming that I'm voting for Hillary just because she is a woman. If I was that eager to have a woman any woman in office I would have voted for McCain so Palin could be VP. Please stop with assumption that any woman who votes for Hillary is doing so just so a woman can hold office. It's equally insulting to say similar thing about Obama winning. I could say that the reason we've never had a woman president is because men are determined to keep a penis in the office at any cost and that's the only reason a man would vote for someone like trump. Is that why you are voting for trump? If not then why do you insist the only reason I'd consider Hillary is she has a vagina? Why? News media, Democrats, liberals and several others have been assuming for months now on why people are voting for Trump, and its usually a deragatory/negative reason. So are you saying its ok for them to assume things about Trump voters and not Hillary voters? Because then that is sexist...
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Post by jkapp on Jul 28, 2016 19:04:01 GMT -5
What I've learned today: The ideal female presidential candidate must be open and honest all the time, be married to a man who she can guarantee will stay faithful, be religious and completely devoted to her family, have put in years of acceptable public service, be not too young or too old, be relatively attractive but not overly so, and have never made a mistake - personal or professional. Since no female candidate exists that fits this description because it would be near impossible, the only logical conclusion is that no female is qualified to be a presidential candidate. Hey that's the same criteria the left has for Republican candidates, men or women...which must be why they never vote for one, huh?
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Post by jkapp on Jul 28, 2016 19:08:20 GMT -5
What concerns me about Trump is his mouth. We can argue all day long that he doesn't mean" it. Personally I think that if a presidential candidate is suggesting Russia (or China or North Korea) hack our servers so they can prove his political opponent to be a liar is NOT someone I want to hand the highest office in the country to. I don't want to sit around and wait to see if I am proven wrong. There are also his comments about wanting to be able to sue the press if they say things he doesn't like about him. Then there is the issue with the lawsuit about Trump University and how he thinks they are against him because the judge is of Mexican descent. Some of what he has said is a little too "1984" for my tastes. Trump may not personally believe everything he spews out but he's turning over some very ugly rocks in order to get himself elected. That also concerns me. I know he cannot control who endorses him but when the leader of the KKK comes out publiclly to support you MAYBE it's time to reflect on your choice of words. He doesn't seem to get that being president is not like being a CEO. We are a representational republic not a dictatorship where he can "fire" anyone he doesn't like or agree with. I know he's said he will surround himself with intelligent people who know more than he does. I sure as hell haven't seen it. Either he really meant yes men or he's actively ignoring his handlers continuing to capitalize on being "Reality Trump". I am not sure which is scarier. I'll probably get flamed but I honestly cannot get that worked up about Hillary's emails. Not after watching a segment on ABC News about how some REALLY REALLY important stuff is being stored on computers older than I am. So old that there is no way to secure them against an attack. Why are they on there. . .because the computers are still working so why spend money to replace/update them? Yeah at least the server Hillary was using is from 2014/15. The security codes for weapons that can cause extinction of the human race are on 1970s IBMs. I also think she is better equipped to work across party lines (if that's even possible anymore), pick a competent cabinet and work with our allies. I also think she's less likely to start WWIII by shooting off her mouth. There have been NINE investigations about her emails and I don't remember how many about Benghazi. They haven't found anything. I just don't have the mental energy to get into conspiracy theories. Our justice system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty not "Keep going until we get the conviction we really want". So as far as I am concerned it's over. If we really wanted to I am sure there are quite a few skeletons in Trump's closet that would make us pause. I get being frustrated at the establishment and status quo. I just do not believe that going to the opposite end of the extreme is going to make things better. So stay the course full speed toward the cliff? Also not a great plan...
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 28, 2016 19:29:04 GMT -5
Several other here have already listed HRCs accomplisments and for those of you for whom that is not enough talk to Mr. Google he'll help you find out for yourself! I just can't get over the fact that so many people keep denying her public service and her accomplishments. How old do you think a woman will be before she is considered equally qualified to a man? Doing all these things cost time you know. And it is not as if she is a one trick pony she has advocated for and been part of many initiatives that have bettered the life of millions of people!
Find me a couple of males with her track record! I have run into this sh*t al my life, being the best is not good enough for most people if you are female; you have to be exponentially better before it is recognized. I would have thought we were better than this by now, but obviously I am too optimistic.
As for not being the perfect candidate: I look in the mirror every morning and this "not perfect" person looks back at me. Tell me which one of you or which politician can say differently. I want to go buy a new mirror where s/he bought hers/his.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 28, 2016 20:01:06 GMT -5
IMO, the sniper fire story is just simply mixed-up memories. It probably happens to everyone every once in a while. Most of us are fortunate enough to not have these mistakes broadcast and recorded. Feel free to chime in if your memory is 100% accurate all of the time. If you can't remember if you've been shot at or not I think a case could be made that she's mentally unfit for the job. People forget where they parked there car or to stop and get milk on the way home, not that they have/haven't been shot at by a sniper. Trump had four years of draft deferment due to his foot. The condition, which was severe enough to keep him from getting shot at, was so severe THAT HE CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH FOOT! I think a case could be made that he's mentally unfit for the job. People forget where they parked there car or to stop and get milk on the way home, yadda, yadda.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 28, 2016 23:59:34 GMT -5
Hillary's "mile long" public service record is another confusing point. Obama had like what, two years as a senetor before he was elected? Why wasnt his public service resume more of an issue in 2008? Hell, I have more public service time than bho did when elected president. Did you write this post with a straight face? Seriously? He was also elected as an Illinois state senator. And not all public service is elected service. Look up Obama's background. You're a big boy. You can do that.
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Post by Opti on Jul 29, 2016 4:02:48 GMT -5
Hillary is a reasonable role model if you model parts of her life you agree with. I won't go into why because I am in shock and anger over Trump's willingness to destroy America for his own gain.
You want a bad role model? I give you Trump. A man so exceedingly blinded by ambition and need for praise that he would ask the one foreign power that could destroy the West to go through our government's computer system. To help him win the election.
Trump is playing for worst role model on the planet. What he is setting into motion could destroy countries and kill millions if not more. Heck, he'll think about simply handing over a country to Russia.
Interesting since you posted this about the email scandal itself.
"But alright for fun let's pretend we are in an alternate universe. Emails from Clinton, Powell, and Rice were carefully saved in Federal archives. Did any of these emails save the US from future events? Did 9/11 not happen simply because of a saved email? Does some policy wonk through reading Powell's and Clinton's email get divinely inspired and figure out a way to defeat ISIS and stop the next mass attack in Europe?
Or do they mostly sit there, take up space, and maybe once in a blue moon some wonk or wonkette reads a few and nothing really changes?"
So apparently you don't care about the emails unless Trump uses them in a sarcastic statement. And you talk about OTHER people's double standards?
Plus, you didn't even get Trump's statement right (unless you just get your news from talking points of biased left-leaning sources, of course). Here's what he said: “If they hacked, they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do,” Trump said at a press conference at his resort in Doral, Florida.
The Republican presidential nominee was referring to the widely held suspicion that Russia is responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee’s servers, resulting in the leak of tens of thousands of emails just days before the party’s nominating convention in Philadelphia.
Trump said that he hoped the hackers had also accessed Clinton’s private email servers. “They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted.”
Trump then addressed the rogue nation directly, saying “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-hack_us_5798d1c8e4b02d5d5ed3b51a
Well, if you paid attention to what I posted, you'd note my concern was not the emails, but the open invitation to hack government servers.
And yes I know he said it as a joke. It was still grossly irresponsible. Many people in politics across the globe thought so as well.
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Post by swamp on Jul 29, 2016 8:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by gs11rmb on Jul 29, 2016 8:14:01 GMT -5
I think many of the mainstream conservative Republicans want Donald Trump to lose. They envision only disaster for their party if he wins.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 29, 2016 8:22:16 GMT -5
I feel like Trump is really working for the Democrats. Like his whole point is to be so horrible that HRC wins. Because that's the only way my brain can make sense of this.
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