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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2016 16:46:31 GMT -5
Reinstate the death penalty? What a barborous fascist swine! yeah, that would lower him to the level of China and the US. shame on him.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 18, 2016 17:00:04 GMT -5
Is this the video of Erdogan on his knees next to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar an Afghan Mujahideen leader? This grainy, old video where you really cannot make out good facial features?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2016 17:03:35 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on the markets by any means, but were there to be a local problem with Turkey I would think they would be rattled? Turkey is a strategic lynchpin for the United States and Europe, and a big part of the American military posture in the region- both facing the Middle East and facing Russia. this is precisely what i think, dem. this is WHY i am NOT GETTING THIS. this is a super important nation for "The West". why is there basically no reaction to this in the global financial markets?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 18, 2016 17:15:47 GMT -5
i'm not sure i care for the implications there, but it's not your fault.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 18, 2016 19:28:13 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on the markets by any means, but were there to be a local problem with Turkey I would think they would be rattled? Turkey is a strategic lynchpin for the United States and Europe, and a big part of the American military posture in the region- both facing the Middle East and facing Russia. this is precisely what i think, dem. this is WHY i am NOT GETTING THIS. this is a super important nation for "The West". why is there basically no reaction to this in the global financial markets? IMO it would have been a 2-3 day blip if it was a coup
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 18, 2016 21:32:12 GMT -5
I'm not an expert on the markets by any means, but were there to be a local problem with Turkey I would think they would be rattled? Turkey is a strategic lynchpin for the United States and Europe, and a big part of the American military posture in the region- both facing the Middle East and facing Russia. this is precisely what i think, dem. this is WHY i am NOT GETTING THIS. this is a super important nation for "The West". why is there basically no reaction to this in the global financial markets? You guys don't get it. Something like 80% of the movement in SPX today was tick-for-tick correlated with moves in the Yen (JPY). The "markets" are inflows and outflows from world central banks. There are no fundamentals anymore. There are governments willing trillions of dollars into existence in a race to debase currencies and stimulate growth. Normal market players have no choice but to play along, trying to pinch profits off of carry trades and bets on currency moves. Today was Japan's day. At a minimum, 80% of what happened in the US stock market today was decided by action by the Bank of Japan. Tomorrow it might be the Fed, or the ECB, or the PBoC. That's how the markets work now. Get used to it.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 19, 2016 0:34:54 GMT -5
Is this the video of Erdogan on his knees next to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar an Afghan Mujahideen leader? This grainy, old video where you really cannot make out good facial features? It could be, and seems to be. You're free the believe whatever you like, I think Arif's information is accurate. The information about Pakistani fighters is accurate, and Erdogan has become more authoritative.. Afghanistan has as much land controlled by Salifast Mujahideen fighters now as at any point since 2001. ...And then someone has to protect these "cities" that have been taken back from the Mujahideen in Iraq.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 0:43:11 GMT -5
this is precisely what i think, dem. this is WHY i am NOT GETTING THIS. this is a super important nation for "The West". why is there basically no reaction to this in the global financial markets? IMO it would have been a 2-3 day blip if it was a coup sorry- what do you mean a 2-3 day blip? a 2-3 day decline?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2016 0:46:09 GMT -5
this is precisely what i think, dem. this is WHY i am NOT GETTING THIS. this is a super important nation for "The West". why is there basically no reaction to this in the global financial markets? You guys don't get it. Something like 80% of the movement in SPX today was tick-for-tick correlated with moves in the Yen (JPY). The "markets" are inflows and outflows from world central banks. There are no fundamentals anymore. There are governments willing trillions of dollars into existence in a race to debase currencies and stimulate growth. Normal market players have no choice but to play along, trying to pinch profits off of carry trades and bets on currency moves. Today was Japan's day. At a minimum, 80% of what happened in the US stock market today was decided by action by the Bank of Japan. Tomorrow it might be the Fed, or the ECB, or the PBoC. That's how the markets work now. Get used to it. yeah. i already said i don't get it. so, do you like repeating what i say in your own words and making it sound like a debate, or do you do it on accident? edit: thanks for the explanation. so, the JPY is down and the N225 has been up for 6 days straight. how are these related?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 4:42:40 GMT -5
You guys don't get it. Something like 80% of the movement in SPX today was tick-for-tick correlated with moves in the Yen (JPY). The "markets" are inflows and outflows from world central banks. There are no fundamentals anymore. There are governments willing trillions of dollars into existence in a race to debase currencies and stimulate growth. Normal market players have no choice but to play along, trying to pinch profits off of carry trades and bets on currency moves. Today was Japan's day. At a minimum, 80% of what happened in the US stock market today was decided by action by the Bank of Japan. Tomorrow it might be the Fed, or the ECB, or the PBoC. That's how the markets work now. Get used to it. yeah. i already said i don't get it. so, do you like repeating what i say in your own words and making it sound like a debate, or do you do it on accident? edit: thanks for the explanation. so, the JPY is down and the N225 has been up for 6 days straight. how are these related? They may not be related in any simple way, but the simplest answer is that the BoJ has been easing (i.e. issuing credit, printing money) and buying stocks.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 19, 2016 6:35:11 GMT -5
Is this the video of Erdogan on his knees next to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar an Afghan Mujahideen leader? This grainy, old video where you really cannot make out good facial features? It could be, and seems to be. You're free the believe whatever you like, I think Arif's information is accurate. The information about Pakistani fighters is accurate, and Erdogan has become more authoritative.. Afghanistan has as much land controlled by Salifast Mujahideen fighters now as at any point since 2001. ...And then someone has to protect these "cities" that have been taken back from the Mujahideen in Iraq. Thanks for giving me permission to beliefe whstever I like. I'll pass on the validity of the video.
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Post by Ombud on Jul 19, 2016 8:33:48 GMT -5
IMO it would have been a 2-3 day blip if it was a coup sorry- what do you mean a 2-3 day blip? a 2-3 day decline? IMHO Turkey is far less important to the global markets than the UK and look at how long Brexit affected it. Whether a coup would have been positive or negative is speculation at this point
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2016 12:44:30 GMT -5
www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-19/erdogan-unleashes-unprecedented-crackdown-fires-all-university-deans-suspends-21000-Over the weekend, after the initial reports of the purge unleashed by Erdogan against Turkey's public, we previewed the upcoming, far more dangerous counter-coup as follows: "it was the next step that is the critical one: the one where Erdogan - having cracked down on his immediate military and legal opponents - took his crusade against everyone else, including the press and the educational system."
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Even more shocking, Anadolu reports that Turkey's Board of Higher Education has requested the resignations of all 1,577 university deans, effectively dismissing them. Of the deans dismissed, 1,176 worked in public universities and 401 in private institutions.
The National Education Ministry said Tuesday that the staff are in both urban and rural establishments, and that an investigation has been launched against them.
It didn't stop there, and as Turkey's Ysafak reports, the country has just canceled the license of some 21,000 private school teachers.
And just like that, In one move, Turkey's authoritarian ruler just eliminated both the middle and higher educational system of the country.
While there is still no response from the distinguished western "democratic" powers, the market has already opined on how this ends, and as we showed moments ago, its conclusion is simple: badly. By the time he's done, the man is going to be giving Stalin a run for his money.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jul 19, 2016 13:32:01 GMT -5
He's gone mad The people protesting on the street were not supporting him..... they were supporting their democracy. He is still a massive problem for many people in the country.
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