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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 15, 2016 4:36:13 GMT -5
What I fail to understand is why you and some others here automatically equate concern with concession. I'm not suggesting you down a bottle of pills, I'm suggesting you steel yourself for the coming police state, including keeping track of major milestones such as the legislation presented in the OP. If the invasion of your privacy doesn't bother you, nor the possible exploitation of others' private data, I can't force you to take these threats seriously. But if you do consider these to be real and significant threats, "What, me worry?" isn't a wise attitude to adopt. Again....no, it doesn't bother me because I never EXPECTED a modicum of privacy. You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise. It's the price you pay for this Brave New World and its technology. You sign on, you give up your privacy. Why is it foolish to think that private electronic correspondence or private records such as browsing habits, site access logs, etc. would be kept private? Why is it that every website, organization, and business in cyberspace has a privacy policy? Forget the specter of hackers and data leaks for the moment; that's not what we're talking about. Why is it wise to expect the state will overreach its authority so markedly that it renders null and void all of the protections individuals and organizations put in place to safeguard people's privacy? For photos and data dumped on social media sites: of course there ought to be no expectation of privacy. These are public venues. But why should private e-mails I exchange with my wife or boss or friends, which are none of anybody's damned business, least of all the government, be something I ought to expect any government stooge to be able to requisition and read through?
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Post by tallguy on Jul 15, 2016 5:41:34 GMT -5
On a personal level, I am not at all concerned. If I was, I wouldn't be on the Internet. Given that I have made that choice, I am mostly of the opinion that I will never be a big enough fish for anyone to worry about. But on a larger scale, I am not concerned about this for the same reasons I am not concerned about crime, or terrorism, or natural disaster, or eating foods past the expiration date, or any number of other things. The moment I begin to let any type of fear have any control over any part of my life or my actions, I've already lost. Why bother continuing to live if you are only going to concede the game? What I fail to understand is why you and some others here automatically equate concern with concession. I'm not suggesting you down a bottle of pills, I'm suggesting you steel yourself for the coming police state, including keeping track of major milestones such as the legislation presented in the OP. If the invasion of your privacy doesn't bother you, nor the possible exploitation of others' private data, I can't force you to take these threats seriously. But if you do consider these to be real and significant threats, "What, me worry?" isn't a wise attitude to adopt. Do I think it is a terrible idea for the FBI to have that kind of unfettered power? Yes. Do I worry about it on a societal level? Sure. Do I worry about it on a personal level? No. There is no reason to come after me, nor would it have any real effect if they did. I don't have any real expectation of privacy for either Internet or telephone conversations. If I choose to utilize the technology, I assume the risk that goes along with it. I could easily choose to keep myself free of such technology if I were truly concerned, but my life would be poorer as a result. I choose instead to live the life I wish to, with little regard for fear. And if anyone is TRULY concerned about things like this, the best way to protect yourself is to elect LIBERALS to the House and Senate. They are the ones who will fight to PROTECT your rights. To hell with today's GOP. They are the ones rushing to take your rights away. Authoritarianism sucks, but it is closely allied with conservatism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 5:45:34 GMT -5
Again....no, it doesn't bother me because I never EXPECTED a modicum of privacy. You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise. It's the price you pay for this Brave New World and its technology. You sign on, you give up your privacy. Why is it foolish to think that private electronic correspondence or private records such as browsing habits, site access logs, etc. would be kept private? Why is it that every website, organization, and business in cyberspace has a privacy policy? Forget the specter of hackers and data leaks for the moment; that's not what we're talking about. Why is it wise to expect the state will overreach its authority so markedly that it renders null and void all of the protections individuals and organizations put in place to safeguard people's privacy? For photos and data dumped on social media sites: of course there ought to be no expectation of privacy. These are public venues. But why should private e-mails I exchange with my wife or boss or friends, which are none of anybody's damned business, least of all the government, be something I ought to expect any government stooge to be able to requisition and read through? Ohhh I dunno... because there IS nothing private about the bolded, maybe? When you open a website you send a request out into the great "internet cloud"... It eventually wanders into the correct domain and says to itself "Ah-ha! I have arrived at my destination!" and then it proverbially knocks on the door and copies whatever is inside. Then it meanders it's way back to you over the same circuitous route. Your website request doesn't magically transport itself from your modem to the modem the server is on without transiting the web. It's not like it's a sealed package (like mail is) either. It's a stream of 1's and 0's. Open for anyone to look at that it passes by. If you want to compare it to mail... think of it like a postcard. All the correspondence is out in the open, available for anyone it passes by to read. Would you expect privacy if you sent a postcard? I sure as hell wouldn't. ETA: forgot to comment on the "Privacy Policy" question... My answer is: Because they are morons if they think it applies to the government. It's the government's internet, we just are allowed access to it. If you want to play with THEIR toys, you have to go by THEIR rules.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 15, 2016 6:32:26 GMT -5
I know how the Internet works, sir. Servers sniffing at random packets when they happen to be on the route from A to B is not the same thing as ISPs turning over complete, unabridged records on demand, or mineable correspondence databases that cost billions of dollars to maintain. Furthermore, it's not the government's bloody Internet. It's not the FBI's Internet. They're going to drive everybody whose privacy is worth protecting into using VPNs, anonymizers, and encrypted messaging, and then they'll really be up crap creek. They won't be able to get at their precious data even with a warrant. Do I worry about it on a personal level? No. There is no reason to come after me, nor would it have any real effect if they did. You're telling me that if I offered you $100 million to make your life thoroughly miserable using only targeted leaks of anything encrypted (or not securely encrypted, which includes most of your passwords, online accounts, etc.) that's ever gone out or come in through your modem, you can't conceive of any way you could accomplish this? You lack imagination, my friend. But you know what? Maybe you're that one in a million. Why don't you change your display name from "tallguy" to your real name, and put in your address, because your anonymity isn't important anyway. While you're at it, give us your workplace address, your boss's name, and the password to your e-mail account. We don't have any reason to come after you, and according to you, it wouldn't have any real effect if we did. We'll take your wife's e-mail account and password too, just for good measure.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 15, 2016 6:50:33 GMT -5
I know how the Internet works, sir. Servers sniffing at random packets when they happen to be on the route from A to B is not the same thing as ISPs turning over complete, unabridged records on demand, or mineable correspondence databases that cost billions of dollars to maintain. Furthermore, it's not the government's bloody Internet. It's not the FBI's Internet. They're going to drive everybody whose privacy is worth protecting into using VPNs, anonymizers, and encrypted messaging, and then they'll really be up crap creek. They won't be able to get at their precious data even with a warrant. Do I worry about it on a personal level? No. There is no reason to come after me, nor would it have any real effect if they did. You're telling me that if I offered you $100 million to make your life thoroughly miserable using only targeted leaks of anything encrypted (or not securely encrypted, which includes most of your passwords, online accounts, etc.) that's ever gone out or come in through your modem, you can't conceive of any way you could accomplish this? You lack imagination, my friend. But you know what? Maybe you're that one in a million. Why don't you change your display name from "tallguy" to your real name, and put in your address, because your anonymity isn't important anyway. While you're at it, give us your workplace address, your boss's name, and the password to your e-mail account. We don't have any reason to come after you, and according to you, it wouldn't have any real effect if we did. We'll take your wife's e-mail account and password too, just for good measure. Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not worried about GOVERNMENT coming after me. That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!! (Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.) But then...if you want to offer me $100 million, I think I can make it work to never be on the Internet again. Sound like a deal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 6:55:42 GMT -5
I know how the Internet works, sir. Servers sniffing at random packets when they happen to be on the route from A to B is not the same thing as ISPs turning over complete, unabridged records on demand, or mineable correspondence databases that cost billions of dollars to maintain. Furthermore, it's not the government's bloody Internet. It's not the FBI's Internet. They're going to drive everybody whose privacy is worth protecting into using VPNs, anonymizers, and encrypted messaging, and then they'll really be up crap creek. They won't be able to get at their precious data even with a warrant. Do I worry about it on a personal level? No. There is no reason to come after me, nor would it have any real effect if they did. You're telling me that if I offered you $100 million to make your life thoroughly miserable using only targeted leaks of anything encrypted (or not securely encrypted, which includes most of your passwords, online accounts, etc.) that's ever gone out or come in through your modem, you can't conceive of any way you could accomplish this? You lack imagination, my friend. But you know what? Maybe you're that one in a million. Why don't you change your display name from "tallguy" to your real name, and put in your address, because your anonymity isn't important anyway. While you're at it, give us your workplace address, your boss's name, and the password to your e-mail account. We don't have any reason to come after you, and according to you, it wouldn't have any real effect if we did. We'll take your wife's e-mail account and password too, just for good measure. Well if you do, then why did you think anything was "private" about it? It's one or the other... Either you know how it works or you believe privacy exists on it. You can't have it both ways... because there's nothing private about an OPEN internet (not talking about private air-gapped networks at some company or even some homes... just talking about the good, old-fashioned, regular internet that we are currently conversing on). Oh... and yes, it absolutely IS the Government's internet. Or did you forget what entity created it and why?
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Post by resolution on Jul 15, 2016 6:55:43 GMT -5
You are all concerned about the government, but your internet habits are all run and managed by corporations that have a vested interest in selling your information for profit. I am sure there are dozens of companies with a complete dossier on you, all targeted at your tastes, preferences, and buying habits.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 6:56:49 GMT -5
I know how the Internet works, sir. Servers sniffing at random packets when they happen to be on the route from A to B is not the same thing as ISPs turning over complete, unabridged records on demand, or mineable correspondence databases that cost billions of dollars to maintain. Furthermore, it's not the government's bloody Internet. It's not the FBI's Internet. They're going to drive everybody whose privacy is worth protecting into using VPNs, anonymizers, and encrypted messaging, and then they'll really be up crap creek. They won't be able to get at their precious data even with a warrant. You're telling me that if I offered you $100 million to make your life thoroughly miserable using only targeted leaks of anything encrypted (or not securely encrypted, which includes most of your passwords, online accounts, etc.) that's ever gone out or come in through your modem, you can't conceive of any way you could accomplish this? You lack imagination, my friend. But you know what? Maybe you're that one in a million. Why don't you change your display name from "tallguy" to your real name, and put in your address, because your anonymity isn't important anyway. While you're at it, give us your workplace address, your boss's name, and the password to your e-mail account. We don't have any reason to come after you, and according to you, it wouldn't have any real effect if we did. We'll take your wife's e-mail account and password too, just for good measure. Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not worried about GOVERNMENT coming after me. That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!! (Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.) But then...if you want to offer me $100 million, I think I can make it work to never be on the Internet again. Sound like a deal? I could "never be on the internet again" for half that! Anyone wanna give me $50 Mill?
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Post by tallguy on Jul 15, 2016 7:01:14 GMT -5
Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not worried about GOVERNMENT coming after me. That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!! (Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.) But then...if you want to offer me $100 million, I think I can make it work to never be on the Internet again. Sound like a deal? I could "never be on the internet again" for half that! Anyone wanna give me $50 Mill? You know that we are risking Virgil rolling his eyes and saying, "That's NOT what I meant!" (And in fairness, I know that's not what he meant.) But for $100 million go ahead and come after me. The two or three other people who might be embarrassed by certain conversations could probably be placated with a mill or two. Still leaves plenty for me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2016 9:22:16 GMT -5
On a personal level, I am not at all concerned. If I was, I wouldn't be on the Internet. Given that I have made that choice, I am mostly of the opinion that I will never be a big enough fish for anyone to worry about. But on a larger scale, I am not concerned about this for the same reasons I am not concerned about crime, or terrorism, or natural disaster, or eating foods past the expiration date, or any number of other things. The moment I begin to let any type of fear have any control over any part of my life or my actions, I've already lost. Why bother continuing to live if you are only going to concede the game? What I fail to understand is why you and some others here automatically equate concern with concession. I'm not suggesting you down a bottle of pills, I'm suggesting you steel yourself for the coming police state, including keeping track of major milestones such as the legislation presented in the OP. If the invasion of your privacy doesn't bother you, nor the possible exploitation of others' private data, I can't force you to take these threats seriously. But if you do consider these to be real and significant threats, "What, me worry?" isn't a wise attitude to adopt. welcome to my world. every time i point out a stupid criticism of Hillary or stupid praise of Trump, i get accused of being a Hillary lover or a Trump hater. following your lead on the hopelessness and despair of the surveillance state doesn't mean we don't care, Virgil. period.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 15, 2016 13:07:06 GMT -5
Well you all could have fooled me, DJ.
Richard and Weltz are firmly in the "nothing on the Internet is supposed to be private anyway" camp. Tall is whistling a happy tune because he's pretty sure the government has no reason to come after him. Resolution figures the privacy boat has sailed and we're all owned by corporations anyway. Billis is... I don't know, but he's clearly not taking the conversation seriously. Busymom is singing Monty Python songs. NoName is taking the conversation even less seriously than Billis.
If you care, then you and I would appear to be the only people here who do.
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Post by mroped on Jul 15, 2016 15:10:35 GMT -5
So we should be worried about the big bad government getting in our sock drawer through those squiggly phone lines or thin air and what not! Because God knows they might come and unplug my phone or something! Then how do you feel about a bunch of dimwits packing themselves to the gills with weaponry that could destroy a small town and let them walk around like is just normal? I think we have bigger problems than the government keeping track of how many times in the last year someone checked into pornhub.com!
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2016 15:14:52 GMT -5
... Billis is... I don't know, but he's clearly not taking the conversation seriously. ... I started to post the below yesterday but got distracted. It is the stance that my candidate for President took in the lead-up to the 2012 election. My US Representative is so entrenched there is no hope of change there. My Senators are an inconsistent vote for and against my stance on this type of issue but that is the best I can hope for. I don't have the personal expertise to protect myself electronically. I am fatalistic when it comes to end of the world scenarios. I don't plan on nor really care to survive if it all falls apart. ANDERSON: More and more, United States citizens are worried about being safe from our government. Our Government is spying on us. The Patriot Act needs to be repealed.
STEIN: Yes, we certainly do need to hold government accountable. The attack on our civil liberties has been devastating. Under the Obama White House, which basically codified the violations of George Bush, the attacks on our privacy rights, on First Amendment rights, the criminalization of the right to protest, the National Defense Authorization Act in which the President has claimed the right to incarcerate us, basically, without charge or trial, and to do that at his pleasure without having to justify that in any way. So, yes, there are very serious problems. Things are not working under Democrats, under Republicans alike. We need a government that is of, by, and for the people, not sponsored and working for big money. Source: Democracy Now! Expanded First Obama-Romney 2012 debate , Oct 4, 2012
Q: Do you support repealing the Patriot Act?
A: Yes. The Bill of Rights is on life support. The Patriot Act symbolizes the death of the 4th Amendment and the right to judicial review, and the right to a trial has just been sabotaged by Obama. It is as if a coup has occurred. Any one of these alone is bad enough, but when you add them all up, we are on some pretty thin ice right now as a free society. Our freedom is hanging in thin air right now. There is now a legal basis for curtailing that freedom. Source: Interview with Steve Horn of Truthout.org , Jan 29, 2012
We must protect our liberty from those who would frighten us into surrendering our freedoms in the name of security. The Green New Deal will repeal the Patriot Act & those parts of the National Defense Authorization Act that violate our civil liberties. It will prohibit the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI from conspiring with local police forces to suppress our freedoms of assembly and of speech. Source: Green Party 2012 People's State of the Union speech , Jan 25, 2012
www.ontheissues.org/2016/Jill_Stein_Homeland_Security.htm
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Post by dondub on Jul 15, 2016 15:15:43 GMT -5
If you care, then you and I would appear to be the only people here who do.
My final college paper, 1975, was on the future abuses of the computerized world and what it would do to our privacy and personal security. Virgil wasn't born yet!
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Post by dondub on Jul 15, 2016 15:18:19 GMT -5
Hey Bill, that's my candidate!
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2016 15:20:38 GMT -5
I find it interesting that in many dystopia fantasies, there is the unwashed masses which the authors just aren't able to figure out how to control. I just always think that is where I am in the hierarchy of the world so don't get all that concerned when they are coming to take us all away.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2016 15:23:02 GMT -5
Hey Bill, that's my candidate! Figure I will stick with her this year. Trump scares the hell out of me but can't see him carrying Washington State so will stick with who I want in the office and not go with a lesser evil vote.
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Post by dondub on Jul 15, 2016 15:23:37 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2016 15:30:37 GMT -5
Well you all could have fooled me, DJ. Richard and Weltz are firmly in the "nothing on the Internet is supposed to be private anyway" camp. Tall is whistling a happy tune because he's pretty sure the government has no reason to come after him. Resolution figures the privacy boat has sailed and we're all owned by corporations anyway. Billis is... I don't know, but he's clearly not taking the conversation seriously. Busymom is singing Monty Python songs. NoName is taking the conversation even less seriously than Billis. If you care, then you and I would appear to be the only people here who do. i am way more obsessed with privacy than either of those posters, so i guess this is more personal for me?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2016 15:31:44 GMT -5
Hey Bill, that's my candidate! she is a very fine candidate.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 15, 2016 16:52:59 GMT -5
I think we have bigger problems than the government keeping track of how many times in the last year someone checked into pornhub.com! That may be true, but it's still a big problem.
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Post by mroped on Jul 15, 2016 19:48:24 GMT -5
You live in an organized society. You wanna be part of that society. Don't you think people should know who you are? Do you have secrets? In that case you might be a dangerous individual unworthy of our trust so we should cast you out!
THOSE are simple rules, tribal like rules and one that doesn't abide by them has no place in the tribe. People wanna be part of the whole, to have the feeling that they are safe and they belong to something yet when it comes to their blood type or the fact that they have an illness or a problem they wanna keep it private while posting it on line! Makes no sense!
You want privacy, don't put it on line! That simple! And to be honest, why wouldn't I want anybody to know about my illness of some stupid issue that I'm dealing with? Help can come from unexpected places, from strangers in the form of advice.
Just don't post pictures or whatever you do in the bedroom please! THAT is absolutely personal! Everything else is game.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 15, 2016 20:01:26 GMT -5
A Facebook 'like' and your name can reveal a shocking amount of info. www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cifas-data-to-go-1.3666943What if you gave your first name when ordering coffee and discovered that the barista knew your birthdate, where you worked and your home address? The faces that customers make when confronted with that situation are captured in a new video that also shows how much personal information can be gleaned about you if you offer your first name and like a page on Facebook. ...and there you have it. If a coffee shop can do it, am I supposed to think the government won't? Please.
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Post by steff on Jul 15, 2016 20:17:45 GMT -5
I could "never be on the internet again" for half that! Anyone wanna give me $50 Mill? You know that we are risking Virgil rolling his eyes and saying, "That's NOT what I meant!" (And in fairness, I know that's not what he meant.) But for $100 million go ahead and come after me. The two or three other people who might be embarrassed by certain conversations could probably be placated with a mill or two. Still leaves plenty for me. I'll take a measly 20 million and I don't give a rats ass who is pissed off about what I have said about them privately. They probably already know how I feel about them anyway.
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Post by resolution on Jul 15, 2016 22:29:50 GMT -5
Well you all could have fooled me, DJ. Richard and Weltz are firmly in the "nothing on the Internet is supposed to be private anyway" camp. Tall is whistling a happy tune because he's pretty sure the government has no reason to come after him. Resolution figures the privacy boat has sailed and we're all owned by corporations anyway. Billis is... I don't know, but he's clearly not taking the conversation seriously. Busymom is singing Monty Python songs. NoName is taking the conversation even less seriously than Billis. If you care, then you and I would appear to be the only people here who do. You really are already owned by the corporations anyway.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 16, 2016 6:51:22 GMT -5
Well you all could have fooled me, DJ. Richard and Weltz are firmly in the "nothing on the Internet is supposed to be private anyway" camp. Tall is whistling a happy tune because he's pretty sure the government has no reason to come after him. Resolution figures the privacy boat has sailed and we're all owned by corporations anyway. Billis is... I don't know, but he's clearly not taking the conversation seriously. Busymom is singing Monty Python songs. NoName is taking the conversation even less seriously than Billis.
If you care, then you and I would appear to be the only people here who do. Saw this yesterday and gave it a lot of thought and you are probably right. So I decided to catch up on the last couple years of Person of Interest - the show went off the rails for me two years back but now I am basically current. I feel much more informed about internet and privacy now.
I am going to take the matter of privacy much more seriously having read this thread.
I'll be back to check more of the conversations after I return from playing Pokémon with the kids down the street.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 16, 2016 7:36:52 GMT -5
I know how the Internet works, sir. Servers sniffing at random packets when they happen to be on the route from A to B is not the same thing as ISPs turning over complete, unabridged records on demand, or mineable correspondence databases that cost billions of dollars to maintain. Furthermore, it's not the government's bloody Internet. It's not the FBI's Internet. They're going to drive everybody whose privacy is worth protecting into using VPNs, anonymizers, and encrypted messaging, and then they'll really be up crap creek. They won't be able to get at their precious data even with a warrant. You're telling me that if I offered you $100 million to make your life thoroughly miserable using only targeted leaks of anything encrypted (or not securely encrypted, which includes most of your passwords, online accounts, etc.) that's ever gone out or come in through your modem, you can't conceive of any way you could accomplish this? You lack imagination, my friend. But you know what? Maybe you're that one in a million. Why don't you change your display name from "tallguy" to your real name, and put in your address, because your anonymity isn't important anyway. While you're at it, give us your workplace address, your boss's name, and the password to your e-mail account. We don't have any reason to come after you, and according to you, it wouldn't have any real effect if we did. We'll take your wife's e-mail account and password too, just for good measure. Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not worried about GOVERNMENT coming after me. That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!! (Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.) But then...if you want to offer me $100 million, I think I can make it work to never be on the Internet again. Sound like a deal? That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!!
(Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.)
Maybe if you slightly less insulting you would not have those concerns!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 16, 2016 7:54:16 GMT -5
So we should be worried about the big bad government getting in our sock drawer through those squiggly phone lines or thin air and what not! Because God knows they might come and unplug my phone or something! Then how do you feel about a bunch of dimwits packing themselves to the gills with weaponry that could destroy a small town and let them walk around like is just normal? I think we have bigger problems than the government keeping track of how many times in the last year someone checked into pornhub.com! mroped, I don't recall what country you were born in, but I have a friend from Czechoslovakia, Born there under Communist rule. If there was a political discussion against that government, they would stack pillow over the phone because they thought that the government listened to their conversations even if the phone was hung up, They would also pull all the shades down! Their fear was well warranted, was it not?? So you have no problem with your present government tracking your every move?
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Post by tallguy on Jul 16, 2016 8:14:10 GMT -5
Oh, you misunderstand. I'm not worried about GOVERNMENT coming after me. That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!! (Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.) But then...if you want to offer me $100 million, I think I can make it work to never be on the Internet again. Sound like a deal? That certainly does not apply to random sickos HERE! Are you NUTS??!!
(Maybe if I were some poor sap who only posts affirmations or sympathies and nothing of substance, but that's generally not my style.)
Maybe if you slightly less insulting you would not have those concerns! And maybe if you could tell a joke when you read one you wouldn't look like one when you post. Just sayin' (The little smiley or winky guys are usually a giveaway.)
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jul 16, 2016 8:20:05 GMT -5
You know that we are risking Virgil rolling his eyes and saying, "That's NOT what I meant!" (And in fairness, I know that's not what he meant.) But for $100 million go ahead and come after me. The two or three other people who might be embarrassed by certain conversations could probably be placated with a mill or two. Still leaves plenty for me. I'll take a measly 20 million and I don't give a rats ass who is pissed off about what I have said about them privately. They probably already know how I feel about them anyway. Holy crap, I missed the bit about offering money. I'll take $10 million - given my age and all, that will about do till I croak. But if we keep lowering the amount someone won't have to pay any out so let's stop at my $10 mill
ETA: I completely forgot that I was supposed to be serious on this thread - well $10 mil is as serious as it gets.
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