Police Officers Doing Their Work- In Memoriam

[Ombud]

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 8, 2016 22:35:49 GMT -5 Ombud said:

I'm a little confused: what is the definition of a hate crime?

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

thanks, I always thought it was when someone did something violent against another bc of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Live and learn

[billisonboard]

Jul 8, 2016 23:24:35 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

thanks, I always thought it was when someone did something violent against another bc of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Live and learn

I think that is the basis for it. While the victims in Dallas were police officers, there is also the possibility that particular officers were the ones targeted because of their race. I don't know that all who were hit were white but that could have been the intent.

[weltschmerz]

Jul 8, 2016 23:46:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:24:35 GMT -5 Ombud said:

thanks, I always thought it was when someone did something violent against another bc of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Live and learn

I think that is the basis for it. While the victims in Dallas were police officers, there is also the possibility that particular officers were the ones targeted because of their race. I don't know that all who were hit were white but that could have been the intent.

The gunfire was followed by a standoff that lasted for hours when the attacker told authorities “he was upset about the recent police shootings” and said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers,” according to Dallas Police Chief David “said Brown. The gunman was killed when police detonated a bomb-equipped robot.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/08/like-a-little-war-snipers-shoot-11-police-officers-during-dallas-protest-march-killing-five/

[resolution]

Jul 8, 2016 23:24:35 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

thanks, I always thought it was when someone did something violent against another bc of race, religion, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Live and learn

It was definitely a hate crime. I think they aren't filing charges against him because he is dead.

[Value Buy]

Jul 9, 2016 6:07:54 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

It was a hate crime.  It was also an act of terrorism.  It also set the Black Lives Matter movement way back. 

Meanwhile, cops in Portland protected a Black Lives Matter protest in Portland yesterday.

If you see a cop today give them your condolences and thank them.

Yes, but Lynch claims if he acted alone, it isn't.
Of course she saved Hillary's ass the day before also.

I puked over CNN and MSNBC shows the other night.
They both had groups of so-called intelligent people explaining how bad police are while FOX News was covering the carnage live.
It took both networks over fifteen minutes to realize what was happening, before switching live to Dallas.
Then after the results are in had to listen to the same idiots say how could someone do such a thing to our people in blue who protect us.
Idiots.

[Value Buy]

And this morning CNN is showing a map of all the protests this morning occurring around the country protesting police killings.
No word on any gatherings across the country in memory for the police that were killed frpm the black lives matter group.
Back to the agenda at hand.

Anyone see the irony of people chanting "no justice no peace" in Dallas with their hands in the air, when  black man started shooting?
The police were there to protect them.........
Of course he was a good shot. He only killed police.

[Ombud]

www.yahoo.com/news/man-exchanges-gunfire-georgia-police-officer-141828791.html

[Tennesseer]

Jul 9, 2016 7:09:41 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And this morning CNN is showing a map of all the protests this morning occurring around the country protesting police killings.
No word on any gatherings across the country in memory for the police that were killed frpm the black lives matter group.
Back to the agenda at hand.

Anyone see the irony of people chanting "no justice no peace" in Dallas with their hands in the air, when  black man started shooting?
The police were there to protect them.........
Of course he was a good shot. He only killed police.

You do realize the shooter stated he was not a member of any group, including Black Lives Matter, yes? The Orlando shooter made sure the world knew he supported ISIS. If we accept the Orlando shooter's claim of support for ISIS is true, why do we not believe the Dallas shooter?

And if Black Lives Matter is supposedly a terrorist group as some like to describe them, don't you think we would have seen many more BLM members in Dallas than just one carrying rifles and handguns while they protested as Texas is an open carry state. Texans seem to have no problem walking around in public with their firearms openly displayed.

And what's up with all those white people walking and supporting the BLM movement in Dallas? That odd phenomena of white people peacefully protesting with the BLM group is happening here in Memphis too.

[billisonboard]

Jul 9, 2016 7:04:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 9, 2016 6:07:54 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

It was a hate crime. ..

Yes, but Lynch claims if he acted alone, it isn't.
...

No she didn't. She indicated that there wouldn't be a hate crime investigation if he acted alone. You know, why waste the money and resources to investigate if no court case would ever need the investigation results?
Attorney general: Hate crime charge unlikely if Dallas shooter acted alone

[Miss Tequila]

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 8, 2016 22:35:49 GMT -5 Ombud said:

I'm a little confused: what is the definition of a hate crime?

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

[billisonboard]

Jul 9, 2016 11:01:38 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

Loretta Lynch responded to reports that the Feds would investigate the Dallas shootings as a hate crime by saying if local authorities determined that the sole perpetrator was dead they wouldn't do an investigation but if living individuals were determined to have been involved, such an investigation would be "on the table".

[gregintenn]

Jul 8, 2016 22:35:49 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Jul 8, 2016 19:53:14 GMT -5 @heart2heart said:

Loretta Lynch, from my listening perch, seems to be a pretty fair minded individual when speaking to the public.. 

I'm a little confused: what is the definition of a hate crime?

Some made up shit. Sort of like a thought crime from the book "1984".

[Ombud]

Jul 9, 2016 11:01:38 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

Don't infuriate BLM? After all it was a black marksman and white cops (had it been a white marksman and black civilians I think she would have come out as fast as in Orlando) which is why I needed clarification on hate crime definition.

[gregintenn]

Jul 9, 2016 16:47:42 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Jul 9, 2016 11:01:38 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

Don't infuriate BLM? After all it was a black marksman and white cops (had it been a white marksman and black civilians I think she would have come out as fast as in Orlando) which is why I needed clarification on hate crime definition.

What the hell made this guy a marksman? I've seen those news accounts as well. I found the moniker "marksman" odd.

As far as the shooter's weapon, it was reported to be an SKS. For those of you not familiar with this rifle, it has a 10 round, non-detachable magazine. SO much for magazine restrictions, huh?

[Opti]

The guy is former military, he served in Afghanistan. He was supposed to get a dishonorable discharge due to apparently worse than usual sexual harassment but apparently due to a snafu got discharged normally.

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dallas-shooter-micah-xavier-johnson-decorated-army-veteran-article-1.2704275

Johnson was well trained. He served as an Army reservist for six years until 2015 and was deployed to Afghanistan between November 2013 and July 2014.

He was a carpentry and masonry specialist, with a rank of private first class, and was awarded the Army Achievement Medal.

(not the article I read earlier, FWIW.)

[Opti]

Good stories-

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/shooting-of-dallas-officers-spurs-acts-of-kindness-to-police/ar-BBu85vV?li=BBnb7Kz

[billisonboard]

Jul 9, 2016 16:47:42 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Jul 9, 2016 11:01:38 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

Don't infuriate BLM? After all it was a black marksman and white cops (had it been a white marksman and black civilians I think she would have come out as fast as in Orlando) which is why I needed clarification on hate crime definition.

I gave you clarification on the facts and you continue to race bait.

[tallguy]

But don't you think they are right that we should investigate it to the fullest extent we can AS a hate crime?  Devote every resource possible to ascertain exactly what the shooter's motivation was so that we can then file the most extreme charges as punishment for his acts?  We would of course be trying him posthumously, but that should make it more difficult for him to mount an effective defense.  We can then put his corpse on death row until his appeals options are exhausted.  That would serve him right!   

[Ombud]

billisonboard, yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead although

Jul 8, 2016 23:46:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

particular officers were the ones targeted because of their race

I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further

[gregintenn]

I'm still waiting for the definition of a hate crime.

[Opti]

Jul 9, 2016 20:45:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

billisonboard , yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead although

Jul 8, 2016 23:46:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

particular officers were the ones targeted because of their race

I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further

Since he's dead, it no longer matters whether it is a hate crime or not, because govt will not waste resources to try dead people. And, I think one of the posts said it might have been tried as a hate crime if there had been a living shooter that did it with the sniper.

But it was just him, he's dead, so ... debating charges that will never be filed is at best mental masturbation.

[tallguy]

Jul 9, 2016 20:45:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

billisonboard , yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead although

Jul 8, 2016 23:46:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

particular officers were the ones targeted because of their race

I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further

Again, what would be the point?  If there were others involved then there is certainly the possibility of a hate crime charge depending on the investigation.  If he acted alone, there won't be any charges to prosecute.  The man is dead.  That generally ends the idea of a criminal trial.

[billisonboard]

Jul 9, 2016 20:45:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

billisonboard, yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead. However you failed to convince me that he dn committed a hate crime b4 he died. I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further.

No I explained that Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. You aren't questioning. You are race baiting.

[Opti]

Jul 9, 2016 11:01:38 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jul 8, 2016 23:05:26 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It can be confusing. That is why we have professionals like Lynch to tell us that it would be on the table for situations like what happened in Dallas.

There was a lone gunman, just like Orlando. Either they are both hate crimes or neither are hate crimes. What I find funny is that obama immediately came
Out and called the Orlando massacre a hate crime...haven't seen that from him regarding the Dallas massacre of police (to be fair, I could have missed it).

And the point of calling it a hate crime would be what exactly? FWIW, I really don't pay much attention to what politician said what when. The first link I opened though did not have Obama saying hate crime, merely that the massacre was an act of hate.

www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/12/remarks-president-mass-shooting-Orlando

James S. Brady Press Briefing Room

1:59 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder -- a horrific massacre -- of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families, who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando, who have endured a terrible attack on their city. Although it’s still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror and an act of hate. And as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, and in resolve to defend our people.

[billisonboard]

Jul 9, 2016 21:16:19 GMT -5 Opti said:

... And the point of calling it a hate crime would be what exactly? ...

My question is what would be the point of a federal investigation into whether it was a hate crime or not with the perpetrator dead already.

[tallguy]

And my followup question would be where would they find an available federal investigator anyway, since Congress will now have to add Comey and Lynch to the Hillary witch hunt.... 

[Opti]

Bills, I am beginning to think it has much to do with the RW lies that are told to the followers. That hate crimes can only be whites against blacks or whites against anyone. So there is this deep unreasonable need for someone to say this is a hate crime, so some of those with the RW beliefs dancing in their heads can believe? acknowledge? have a OMG talkfest? IDK, over what most of us non-RWers see as obvious.

Yes, Virginia, if the guy wasn't dead, it could have been prosecuted as a hate crime providing there was enough proof to make it reasonable to do so. Duh.

[Opti]

Jul 9, 2016 21:38:20 GMT -5 tallguy said:

And my followup question would be where would they find an available federal investigator anyway, since Congress will now have to add Comey and Lynch to the Hillary witch hunt.... 

Stupid just doesn't take a day off, does it?

[tallguy]

Doesn't seem to.  I know I see it every day.  Or at least every day that I leave the house.    

[OldCoyote]

Jul 9, 2016 21:02:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 9, 2016 20:45:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

billisonboard , yes you told me I should believe you that it wasn't a hate crime bc he was dead. However you failed to convince me that he dn committed a hate crime b4 he died. I'm just supposed to shut up and not question further.

No I explained that Loretta Lynch stated that the story there would be a hate crime investigation was not accurate because the person responsible was dead and therefore there was no need to investigate the case. She indicated that if local authorities found others were involved, than a hate crime investigation would be back on the table, i.e. she saw a need to investigate it as a possible hate crime. You aren't questioning. You are race baiting.

Didn't they call Orlando a hate crime the shooter was dead there also.