Facebook's Real Agenda Isn't Left, It's Globalist

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Everyone knows Zuckerberg's real agenda: he's an open-borders, amnesty and citizenship for illegal aliens-- and that's the reason left and right seemed to have such a love-fest this week at Facebook's "Beer Summit" with conservatives.

republicanuncle.com/2016/05/facebook-will-appease-pseudo-conservatives-like-beck-because-the-real-agenda-is-globalism-not-leftism/


To marginalize the connectivity by minimizing the impact of Facebook is in and of itself a slap in the face of free speech. To filter speech in an attempt to marry an already complicit media and government propaganda machine to a forum whereby folks like myself go to for sorting it, is nothing short of treason. Mark Zuckerberg is a quintessential self entitled spoiled little child with a whole lot of money and power. If he censors free thought, conservative or otherwise then he'll quickly open a door to the demise of Facebook. Networks and news "organizations" struggle to pay the bills. In order for them to survive they realize they must somehow interject a perceived modicum of opposing views. But with a globalist agenda on BOTH the left and right, the people have drawn a line and said no more. It has become the basis for a movement in stark contrast to the globalist agenda.



The people made Trump. That's what the media doesn't get. The times made the man. He is the chosen vessel. The Trump Movement. The real enemy isn't left or right, it's a unified front with a globalist agenda. An attempt to inject immigrants, un-vetted military age Muslims and "refugees" into our divisive and angry state of affairs perpetuated by the same inter-related media and it's governing uni-party and agenda driven establishment. Just as they've done in Europe. Just as they continue to do now. The Trump movement is a push back against everything they've done the past 40 years here in America and overseas. It's a strange kind of Machiavellian George Soros / Hillary / Jeb / Saudi kinda world, and it's time. Time to make America Great Again.

[Virgil Showlion]

Facebook is an engine for eliciting, hoarding, and mining data and using it to exploit people to the tune of $22 billion per year. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is what it is what it is.

[mroped]

We are going to need more tinfoil!

[weltschmerz]

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 22, 2016 11:02:44 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Facebook is an engine for eliciting, hoarding, and mining data and using it to exploit people to the tune of $22 billion per year. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is what it is what it is.

It should be. All media should be. You would (not you, per se- but the pejorative you) be shocked to learn how much money media outlets flush down the toilet because they're more concerned about their agenda than they are money.  Of course, it's not always that simple. Some of it is about money. For example, the GOP is trying to hang on to the big crony donors- especially the Chamber of Commerce- and will throw this presidential election like they did the previous two since they weren't able to get their Common Core, Amnesty agenda candidate, 'ol Jebby (or Rubio).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 22, 2016 13:02:19 GMT -5 mroped said:

We are going to need more tinfoil!

Well, it's certainly easier than making a substantive argument.  Look, it's not a mystery Suckaturd is a big Amnesty and Citizenship for Illegal Aliens guy. 


www.politico.com/story/2013/11/immigration-reform-mark-zuckerberg-fwdus-099974

I like the term "legislative delays".

Legislative delays: clear and unambiguous F**K YOU IF YOU DO! from constituents. The nerve of some people. Voting.

[djAdvocate]

is FB any different in this respect than, say, GE?

[Virgil Showlion]

May 22, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 22, 2016 11:02:44 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Facebook is an engine for eliciting, hoarding, and mining data and using it to exploit people to the tune of $22 billion per year. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is what it is what it is.

It should be. All media should be. You would (not you, per se- but the pejorative you) be shocked to learn how much money media outlets flush down the toilet because they're more concerned about their agenda than they are money.  Of course, it's not always that simple. Some of it is about money. For example, the GOP is trying to hang on to the big crony donors- especially the Chamber of Commerce- and will throw this presidential election like they did the previous two since they weren't able to get their Common Core, Amnesty agenda candidate, 'ol Jebby (or Rubio).

The globalist agenda is real, and I agree that virtually all MSM outlets are on board with it, but my read on Mr. Zuckerberg is that he's just a clueless ideologue with more dollars than sense and visions of "uniting the world". Most anything he does is in furtherance of pulling more people onto Facebook, increasing the amount of time they spend there, and increasing the amount of info they're willing to into his arms.

This is compatible with the globalist agenda in many regards, but I doubt he thinks of it that way. In his mind I'm sure he sees his business as philanthropy, breaking down barriers, "connecting people", rather than a vector for supervision, control, consolidation of power, censorship, and the "new isolation". In truth, Facebook has aspects of both. Good and evil. Freedom and oppression.

I don't use it, and I recommend the same to anyone who asks (in fact, I recommend using Facebook Blocker [2] to also disable Facebook parasitics), but there's no denying it is a legitimate business. Mr. Zuckerberg can censor whatever he wants, promote whatever he wants, use the information people give him to exploit them however he wants, and spend his money promoting whatever political agenda he wants. The only way people stop him is by unplugging from the Facebook matrix, and that's up to the people.

"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."
    - Anonymous

[weltschmerz]

Between "Zuckerberg's Evil Agenda" and women  going topless, it's a wonder that the world didn't end yet.

[mroped]

May 22, 2016 17:53:22 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Between "Zuckerberg's Evil Agenda" and women  going topless, it's a wonder that the world didn't end yet.

Maybe if Zuckerberg goes topless?!

[Tennesseer]

A whiney article in the OP, written by a Branch Trumpidian for Branch Trumpidians about their leader, the Cheeto-Dusted Bloviator.

[swamp]

As far as I can tell, FB's agenda is to make money. The same as most of us.

[happyhoix]

In his mind I'm sure he sees his business as philanthropy, breaking down barriers, "connecting people", rather than a vector for supervision, control, consolidation of power, censorship, and the "new isolation". In truth, Facebook has aspects of both. Good and evil. Freedom and oppression.

I thought it was a means to do bragging posts about your grandkids and links to cute cat videos. 

I guess there is a Dark Net version of Facebook that, in my technological naivety, I haven't found yet. I wish someone would send me a link, I haven't been vectored or consolidated in a while.

[billisonboard]

May 23, 2016 14:45:21 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

In his mind I'm sure he sees his business as philanthropy, breaking down barriers, "connecting people", rather than a vector for supervision, control, consolidation of power, censorship, and the "new isolation". In truth, Facebook has aspects of both. Good and evil. Freedom and oppression.

I thought it was a means to do bragging posts about your grandkids and links to cute cat videos. 

I guess there is a Dark Net version of Facebook that, in my technological naivety, I haven't found yet. ...

Here is why I closed my account: Facebook Tinkers With Users’ Emotions in News Feed Experiment, Stirring Outcry

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2016 9:19:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

As far as I can tell, FB's agenda is to make money. The same as most of us.

sorry, but how?

[Virgil Showlion]

May 23, 2016 16:56:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 23, 2016 9:19:38 GMT -5 swamp said:

As far as I can tell, FB's agenda is to make money. The same as most of us.

sorry, but how?

I think you're missing the point of "What? Me Worry?"

[happyhoix]

May 24, 2016 4:18:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 23, 2016 16:56:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

sorry, but how?

I think you're missing the point of "What? Me Worry?"

And why should we do that, when we can instead wring our hands and cry about the massive disintegration of society into a heaving mass of corruption, Godlessness and despair, all triggered by the heinous puppy videos on facebook.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 24, 2016 7:29:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 24, 2016 4:18:23 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I think you're missing the point of "What? Me Worry?"

And why should we do that, when we can instead wring our hands and cry about the massive disintegration of society into a heaving mass of corruption, Godlessness and despair, all triggered by the heinous puppy videos on facebook.

It may surprise you to learn that most evil doesn't come prepackaged and labeled as "evil", madam.

The most insidious evils are 1% packaged together with 99% good. A bill made up of 99% good intentions and 1% subterfuge. A statement made up of 99% truth and 1% untruth. A corporation with 99% best practices and 1% globalist agenda.

If you're comfortable, engaged, laughing at the harmless videos, thoroughly disarmed of critical thought, slipping that 1% into your mind is the easiest thing in the world. You can be fed ideas and come to believe you've always believed them. The science of persuasion and manipulation has come a long way in the past 100 years, and firms like Facebook and Google are, in many cases, at its bleeding edge.

It's not wrong to enjoy the videos, but don't mock concerns about a hidden corporate agenda. A globalist agenda at a firm as powerful as Facebook would be (and quite possibly is) an extremely dangerous thing.

[dondub]

Paranoia sucks too.

[happyhoix]

May 24, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 24, 2016 7:29:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

And why should we do that, when we can instead wring our hands and cry about the massive disintegration of society into a heaving mass of corruption, Godlessness and despair, all triggered by the heinous puppy videos on facebook.

It may surprise you to learn that most evil doesn't come prepackaged and labeled as "evil", madam.

The most insidious evils are 1% packaged together with 99% good. A bill made up of 99% good intentions and 1% subterfuge. A statement made up of 99% truth and 1% untruth. A corporation with 99% best practices and 1% globalist agenda.

If you're comfortable, engaged, laughing at the harmless videos, thoroughly disarmed of critical thought, slipping that 1% into your mind is the easiest thing in the world. You can be fed ideas and come to believe you've always believed them. The science of persuasion and manipulation has come a long way in the past 100 years, and firms like Facebook and Google are, in many cases, at its bleeding edge.

It's not wrong to enjoy the videos, but don't mock concerns about a hidden corporate agenda. A globalist agenda at a firm as powerful as Facebook would be (and quite possibly is) an extremely dangerous thing.

Virgil I'm not claiming evil doesn't lurk everywhere. I know that it does. Hell, I refuse to swim in the ocean because sea cucumbers live there.  We're one random meteorite, nuclear terrorist assault or pandemic flu bug away total destruction, I get that.

It's just that living life like we're always balanced on the edge of absolute and total annihilation is draining. If everything is a dire threat, why not just jump in front of a speeding train and get it over with?

If you think Zuckerberg is a manipulative genius at the heart of a vast corporate conspiracy to suck the intelligence right out of our heads and make us mindless zombies, that's fine, don't use his product. But as for me, I like seeing the photos of my family members. Any propaganda that shows up is almost exclusively anti - left wing rants (my friends and family are mostly hard line conservatives) and as far as I can tell, it hasn't yet sucked my brains out of my eye sockets. Yet.    

[djAdvocate]

stop being reasonable.  we only want to hear the shrill cries of panic, here.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 22, 2016 16:30:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 22, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

It should be. All media should be. You would (not you, per se- but the pejorative you) be shocked to learn how much money media outlets flush down the toilet because they're more concerned about their agenda than they are money.  Of course, it's not always that simple. Some of it is about money. For example, the GOP is trying to hang on to the big crony donors- especially the Chamber of Commerce- and will throw this presidential election like they did the previous two since they weren't able to get their Common Core, Amnesty agenda candidate, 'ol Jebby (or Rubio).

The globalist agenda is real, and I agree that virtually all MSM outlets are on board with it, but my read on Mr. Zuckerberg is that he's just a clueless ideologue with more dollars than sense and visions of "uniting the world". Most anything he does is in furtherance of pulling more people onto Facebook, increasing the amount of time they spend there, and increasing the amount of info they're willing to into his arms.

This is compatible with the globalist agenda in many regards, but I doubt he thinks of it that way. In his mind I'm sure he sees his business as philanthropy, breaking down barriers, "connecting people", rather than a vector for supervision, control, consolidation of power, censorship, and the "new isolation". In truth, Facebook has aspects of both. Good and evil. Freedom and oppression.

I don't use it, and I recommend the same to anyone who asks (in fact, I recommend using Facebook Blocker [2] to also disable Facebook parasitics), but there's no denying it is a legitimate business. Mr. Zuckerberg can censor whatever he wants, promote whatever he wants, use the information people give him to exploit them however he wants, and spend his money promoting whatever political agenda he wants. The only way people stop him is by unplugging from the Facebook matrix, and that's up to the people.

"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity."
    - Anonymous

Useful Idiot? Yeah. I can see that assessment.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 24, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 24, 2016 7:29:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

And why should we do that, when we can instead wring our hands and cry about the massive disintegration of society into a heaving mass of corruption, Godlessness and despair, all triggered by the heinous puppy videos on facebook.

It may surprise you to learn that most evil doesn't come prepackaged and labeled as "evil", madam.

The most insidious evils are 1% packaged together with 99% good. A bill made up of 99% good intentions and 1% subterfuge. A statement made up of 99% truth and 1% untruth. A corporation with 99% best practices and 1% globalist agenda.

If you're comfortable, engaged, laughing at the harmless videos, thoroughly disarmed of critical thought, slipping that 1% into your mind is the easiest thing in the world. You can be fed ideas and come to believe you've always believed them. The science of persuasion and manipulation has come a long way in the past 100 years, and firms like Facebook and Google are, in many cases, at its bleeding edge.

It's not wrong to enjoy the videos, but don't mock concerns about a hidden corporate agenda. A globalist agenda at a firm as powerful as Facebook would be (and quite possibly is) an extremely dangerous thing.

I read somewhere that sometimes evil comes packaged not with good, but AS good. Appearing almost as if an angel of light. 

[Opti]

May 24, 2016 11:08:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

stop being reasonable.  we only want to hear the shrill cries of panic, here.

As a fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy fiction, this is all ho hum. The globalist, corporatist state has been predicted so long, its hard for me to care who the panic mongers want to pretend is the start/push of it.

Zuckerberg might be evil. But that's all in his creation, FB.

[Opti]

May 23, 2016 16:21:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 23, 2016 14:45:21 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I thought it was a means to do bragging posts about your grandkids and links to cute cat videos. 

I guess there is a Dark Net version of Facebook that, in my technological naivety, I haven't found yet. ...

Here is why I closed my account: Facebook Tinkers With Users’ Emotions in News Feed Experiment, Stirring Outcry

I never though Zuckerberg did it for charitable reasons. In fact, everything points to it being a means to an end. He's been about the money and power since this started in college.  Why anyone would think otherwise is a surprise to me.

He made it useful so it would be used by many. He's a modern Bill Gates, only more like W. He is unforgiving to those who "cross" him.

ETA: Its only his political beliefs that keep him from being a RW hero like Rush.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 24, 2016 10:53:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 24, 2016 9:42:52 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It may surprise you to learn that most evil doesn't come prepackaged and labeled as "evil", madam.

The most insidious evils are 1% packaged together with 99% good. A bill made up of 99% good intentions and 1% subterfuge. A statement made up of 99% truth and 1% untruth. A corporation with 99% best practices and 1% globalist agenda.

If you're comfortable, engaged, laughing at the harmless videos, thoroughly disarmed of critical thought, slipping that 1% into your mind is the easiest thing in the world. You can be fed ideas and come to believe you've always believed them. The science of persuasion and manipulation has come a long way in the past 100 years, and firms like Facebook and Google are, in many cases, at its bleeding edge.

It's not wrong to enjoy the videos, but don't mock concerns about a hidden corporate agenda. A globalist agenda at a firm as powerful as Facebook would be (and quite possibly is) an extremely dangerous thing.

Virgil I'm not claiming evil doesn't lurk everywhere. I know that it does. Hell, I refuse to swim in the ocean because sea cucumbers live there.  We're one random meteorite, nuclear terrorist assault or pandemic flu bug away total destruction, I get that.

It's just that living life like we're always balanced on the edge of absolute and total annihilation is draining. If everything is a dire threat, why not just jump in front of a speeding train and get it over with?

If you think Zuckerberg is a manipulative genius at the heart of a vast corporate conspiracy to suck the intelligence right out of our heads and make us mindless zombies, that's fine, don't use his product. But as for me, I like seeing the photos of my family members. Any propaganda that shows up is almost exclusively anti - left wing rants (my friends and family are mostly hard line conservatives) and as far as I can tell, it hasn't yet sucked my brains out of my eye sockets. Yet.    

It's not overt propaganda you have to watch out for. Overt propaganda is... overt.

You can be influenced by ads, contact suggestions, content ordering, biased selection of comments, headlines, links, "wall" postings. You can be taught what to find interesting, what to find uninteresting, what to consider normal, what to consider abnormal, what to value, what to consider worthless.

The medium itself, the way the designers structure the site and the content delivery, can fundamentally alter your thinking process. Just yesterday I read a National Post article about a study out of Queen's University where scientists concluded exposure to television and electronic gaming can "rewire" the human brain, leading to pathologies like ADHD. The media we consume and even the types of media we consume can fundamentally and irreversibly change the way we think. We so often fall back to the argument "People are now as they've ever been." but the evidence is mounting that this simply isn't true. As Marshall McLuhan theorized decades ago, "the medium is the message" and it has the power to change our brains in unprecedented ways.

If you find the time, try the following exercise sometime in future: Conduct a routine 20-minute Facebook session where you do all the things you normally do, and record the session using video/audio capture. Use the audio feed to record a continuous vocal diary of any thought passing through your head, no matter how inconsequential. Make it as exhaustive and uninterrupted as you can. Include thoughts like "Oh, not this again.", "Is this what so and so was talking about?", "That can't be true.", "Oh, right, I should probably...", "What was I going to do?", "This looks interesting.", "This is funny.", "This is frustrating.", "Where is that button?"

When you've finished, immediately play through the recorded video (with or without audio) and do your best to supplement the audio with any details you might have missed or didn't have time to record, jotting them down on paper.

After this, replay the video again in segments. Document the advertisements, the phraseology of the headlines, the excerpts and by-lines, the content ordering, the elements on the page that are emphasized, the links you were compelled to click on. Record anything emphasized using special formatting, animation, colour, etc.  Document the ease of navigation. Which series of links seemed to form tight loops and which ones branched out widely with very little cyclicity? In which situations were you certain you knew where you wanted to go next, and in which situations did you have to think for a while to "get your bearings"? Document the things that you expected to see or would have liked to see but that weren't there. In the advertisements, banners, articles, etc., pay special attention to any slogans, images, or content that try to convey a sense of feeling, trust, normalcy, distrust, worry, etc.

It goes without saying you'll notice a strong correlation between what you were thinking and what the software was showing you, but beyond this I believe you'll be astonished by the number of times the software attempted to manipulate your thinking, and just as astonished by the number of times it succeeded in doing so.

I'm not claiming you'll conclude you were being brainwashed into embracing globalist ideals, but I do believe you'll come out with a greater appreciation of the sheer multitude of ideas you're being fed without realizing it. And this doesn't even scratch the surface. Most manipulation is undetectable without deep data mining, such as the software withholding content, missorting content, trapping you in "link loops", and "channeling" you through specific paths in an effort to monopolize more of your time.

Your mind is putty and Mr. Zuckerberg et al. have designs on shaping it. To what end, only they know.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 24, 2016 12:10:42 GMT -5 Opti said:

May 24, 2016 11:08:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

stop being reasonable.  we only want to hear the shrill cries of panic, here.

As a fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy fiction, this is all ho hum. The globalist, corporatist state has been predicted so long, its hard for me to care who the panic mongers want to pretend is the start/push of it.

Zuckerberg might be evil. But that's all in his creation, FB.

 Maybe that's why all those dystopian sci-fi things are written and produced.  One big psy-op to get us to not really care, or to say- it'll never be that bad; Who knows, maybe the CIA made up the label "conspiracy theorist" to discredit anything resembling critical thought.  Would it come as any surprise? I mean we've witnessed terms created in real time like "science denier" and "climate denier".

[kittensaver]

Wow.

<< kittensaver backs slowly and cautiously out of this thread >>

[happyhoix]

If you find the time, try the following exercise sometime in future: Conduct a routine 20-minute Facebook session where you do all the things you normally do, and record the session using video/audio capture. Use the audio feed to record a continuous vocal diary of any thought passing through your head, no matter how inconsequential. Make it as exhaustive and uninterrupted as you can. Include thoughts like "Oh, not this again.", "Is this what so and so was talking about?", "That can't be true.", "Oh, right, I should probably...", "What was I going to do?", "This looks interesting.", "This is funny.", "This is frustrating.", "Where is that button?"

When you've finished, immediately play through the recorded video (with or without audio) and do your best to supplement the audio with any details you might have missed or didn't have time to record, jotting them down on paper.

After this, replay the video again in segments. Document the advertisements, the phraseology of the headlines, the excerpts and by-lines, the content ordering, the elements on the page that are emphasized, the links you were compelled to click on. Record anything emphasized using special formatting, animation, colour, etc. Document the ease of navigation. Which series of links seemed to form tight loops and which ones branched out widely with very little cyclicity? In which situations were you certain you knew where you wanted to go next, and in which situations did you have to think for a while to "get your bearings"? Document the things that you expected to see or would have liked to see but that weren't there. In the advertisements, banners, articles, etc., pay special attention to any slogans, images, or content that try to convey a sense of feeling, trust, normalcy, distrust, worry, etc.

Let me stop you right there. 1) No, I don't have the time for this, and 2) I don't spent more than maybe five minutes at a time on FB, scanning down quickly for pictures of the babies and kids of my relatives, maybe stopping at a cute cat video, and ignoring the rest (as I said, I have a lot of ultra conservative relatives and friends who tend to post whatever flotsam they gleaned that day, so I've gotten very skilled at ignoring shit on FB). Like I said, I don't have a lot of free time.

So I'm assuming when the global roundup starts, I won't be one of them, because I wasn't properly zombified through FB.

[happyhoix]

Your mind is putty and Mr. Zuckerberg et al. have designs on shaping it. To what end, only they know.

 Geez.

Give a girl some credit for being capable of independent thought.

If I was so easily malleable, wouldn't be parroting back everything you say, instead of arguing with you?

Now, I wouldn't speak for the masses of Trump supporters who seem to be quite gullible, but as my grandma used to say, I didn't just fall off a turnip truck.