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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 3, 2016 23:44:27 GMT -5
Not from me. I've done all my bitching at home.
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Post by shanendoah on May 4, 2016 10:50:10 GMT -5
So how did the meeting with the Dean go?
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Post by tloonya on May 4, 2016 12:01:21 GMT -5
aka: You cannot prove a negative. You'd think an engineer would understand this concept. Last week, I had an assignment due that I had completed the week before. As I was already working on the one due today, I could not answer questions immediately as to how I drew the figure I had missed that. What was supposed to be the answer? HOW you drew the figure...with pencil or at my table or there is some complicated stuff you couldn't put together? WHY except room was noisy couldn't you answer? Just curious very much...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2016 19:24:52 GMT -5
Looney.....this is computer assisted 3D drawing. I had to draw part of the figure on a plane at a weird angle and it took about 20 attempts to get it right. I just could not remember off the top of my head as to what conditions I used at the time.
I've since had to draw on other weird angled planes. It usually takes me a couple attempts to get it right.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:11:56 GMT -5
Now i am curious. What program is this?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2016 20:15:20 GMT -5
Catia
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Post by Works4me on May 4, 2016 21:06:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry you're dealing with this - any news from the Dean?
One other consideration, have you considered that due to your diligence, you may know more about the program than the lazy idiot of an instructor and that may threaten the hell out of him?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2016 21:26:50 GMT -5
Nope, nothing from the dean.
The instructor proudly announced he had over 10,000 professional hours in the program and could draw the figure in 10 minutes. I told him that at this point, I had 15 classroom hours, it was not a fair comparison. It is going to take me much longer as I am still figuring things out.
I had 2 figures due today. One I completed yesterday and I started the second. When I opened it up this morning at 8, I didn't like where it was going so scrapped it and started over. Class started at 12:30 and I finished about an hour before class started.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 22:21:49 GMT -5
I took Catia in college in 1999 meaning this is not a new program by any means. People knew about it back then. I don't think it is as rare as you were made to believe. Is this something you want to do as a career? Or is this part of a degree you are getting?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 4, 2016 22:46:38 GMT -5
I never said it was a new program, I said it was new to the program I am in.
Yes, it is part of the program I am in. When I lost my career in research due to disability, I needed to find something to do that is sedentary. CAD fills this and I got to use a lot of my science prerequisites to get out a lot of the classes, so most of my classes have been learning software programs. At 56, I need to remarket myself. I figure the more exposure I have to programs, the better.
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Post by milee on May 4, 2016 23:10:00 GMT -5
Since you're already going to be at a little bit of a disadvantage (age bias is a real thing and it's even tougher in tech type fields), you may want to see how you can do whatever you can to preserve a good working relationship with both this professor and the Dean. It totally bites to have to defend yourself against something you know you would never do, but a good long term relationship may be key to you getting a job. Many companies have close relationships or even informal channels of communication with schools via professors and Deans. You don't want to win this battle at the expense of losing the war when it comes to hiring time.
Again, it stinks and it's unfair, but if you can possibly settle this diplomatically and professionally, it will serve you well when you go to get jobs. So consider carefully if venting about the professor's lack of teaching skills, being righteous about him having to prove something or going off on the unfairness of the situation is worth possibly getting a bad rep in the informal job channels.
If you can just keep it simple and direct - be willing to explain how you did the project and apologize (yes, again, it stinks!) about not explaining that day - treat it as a misunderstanding that you are working with them to address, it will be grating and unsatisfying in the short term but potentially pay big dividends when you go to look for a job.
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Post by kjto1 on May 5, 2016 6:49:47 GMT -5
I hope you are able to get this resolved soon. I also hope that you don't have to take any more of this Professor's classes. Good luck!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 5, 2016 9:07:12 GMT -5
Since you're already going to be at a little bit of a disadvantage (age bias is a real thing and it's even tougher in tech type fields), you may want to see how you can do whatever you can to preserve a good working relationship with both this professor and the Dean. It totally bites to have to defend yourself against something you know you would never do, but a good long term relationship may be key to you getting a job. Many companies have close relationships or even informal channels of communication with schools via professors and Deans. You don't want to win this battle at the expense of losing the war when it comes to hiring time.
Again, it stinks and it's unfair, but if you can possibly settle this diplomatically and professionally, it will serve you well when you go to get jobs. So consider carefully if venting about the professor's lack of teaching skills, being righteous about him having to prove something or going off on the unfairness of the situation is worth possibly getting a bad rep in the informal job channels.
If you can just keep it simple and direct - be willing to explain how you did the project and apologize (yes, again, it stinks!) about not explaining that day - treat it as a misunderstanding that you are working with them to address, it will be grating and unsatisfying in the short term but potentially pay big dividends when you go to look for a job. Milee.....I did your last paragraph at the last meeting I had with him. That was when he asked me to prove myself by redrawing the figure. Secondly, I've vented here, at home, to the Dean (and that wasn't venting, it was displayed in a factual manner) and to the guy who sits next to me and watched me draw it. He offered to go with me as proof that I did do the work (and I offered that up at my last meeting), as we work a lot together. We are 2 of the older people in the class, so have been partners in this class, Statics and Materials. Finally, I really don't need his reference. I have a lot stronger people on my list, as relevant or more. Also, if I drop this class and it becomes a question on my transcript, the easy explanation is that the class is 95% online video taught and I've already bought the package and the program. The class isn't providing anything as the instructor isn't teaching. For instance.....I have to assemble some parts for my next assignment and the 10 minutes that he talked about it left me with more questions than answers. So tomorrow, I need to take that 5 hour block of time and look online for more videos. Google and utube has been a tremendous resource for me. I have not been given near enough info in class to complete this by Monday. It does not appear that this works like other programs I know, so I can't even draw off of that.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 5, 2016 9:12:04 GMT -5
I agree a person shouldn't have to prove they didn't cheat. The accuser should have to have the proof. That works in a court of law but not in a college class. It appears the Dean has also decided to do nothing to help you. As I see it, you have two choices:
1. You can continue to refuse to show you can draw the figure. You can continue to list all the reasons why you refuse. You can keep stating he's a bad instructor. And you can keep your Zero and have all of your future work questioned.
2, You can go ahead and take the time to draw it and prove it is your work. Doing so may very well work in your favor regarding future interactions with this instructor. He might (and should be) hesitant to ever doubt your work again since you've proven he's wrong.
You aren't going to get some public apology here and an automatic 100% on the assignment if you continue to do nothing but be angry (and I don't blame you). Being accused of cheating is VERY serious to me. I'd be mad as all hell. I'd also do my best to prove that person wrong and make sure that person never accuses me again.
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