Prayers for Humanity

[souldoubt]

To be fair I think it depends how you define terrorist because some of the people fighting against western civilization consider us the terrorists.  Picking a 15 year period is relevant because it's current but to me it speaks to who/why we're fighting who we are.  A lot of dictators and terror groups around the world have ties to the US and/or US intervention in other parts of the world.  In the 80's the US armed and trained the Afghans in their fight against Russia only to end up in a war in Afghanistan in the beginning of this century.  Kind of hard to defeat a belief system and by that I mean a radical belief system when the US and it's allies continue to make enemies due to their actions.  How many civilians have been killed in friendly fire by the US in the last 15 years?  Probably a lot more than ISIS or similar groups can claim in their attacks.    

[kittensaver]

Mar 23, 2016 13:57:08 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Mar 23, 2016 13:40:27 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

In the middle of buying into the fear and hysteria, I think many people forget (or never knew, because they are consistently being fed fear in their homes, their media viewing habits, communities, churches and schools) that while we may be (legitimately!) at war with terrorism, we are NOT at war with a religion.

BIG difference.

Here's another paradigm that drives fear-based people in this country crazy:

Man + Religion + Assault Weapon = Terrorist.

It is immaterial where in the world that person lives, with which nationality they identify, or to what religion they subscribe. And yes, I'm saying it is possible to be a America Christian and also at Terrorist.

<<< Kittensaver goes off to put on her flameproof suit >>> 

Are you saying that white Christian males pose the same level of threat as muslim terrorists?  Because I would love to see the stats on White Christian male terrorists causing as much death and destruction in the last 15 years as the Muslim Terrorists.....

Of course not

I'm only pointing out for the fear-mongers on this board that MUSLIMS are not the enemy. TERRORISTS are the enemy. Terrorists of ANY stripe.

There are a few folks here who seem to believe that *We* can't do any wrong and *Those People* are the evil ones.

[kittensaver]

Mar 23, 2016 14:04:11 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

To be fair I think it depends how you define terrorist because some of the people fighting against western civilization consider us the terrorists.  Picking a 15 year period is relevant because it's current but to me it speaks to who/why we're fighting who we are.  A lot of dictators and terror groups around the world have ties to the US and/or US intervention in other parts of the world.  In the 80's the US armed and trained the Afghans in their fight against Russia only to end up in a war in Afghanistan in the beginning of this century.  Kind of hard to defeat a belief system and by that I mean a radical belief system when the US and it's allies continue to make enemies due to their actions.  How many civilians have been killed in friendly fire by the US in the last 15 years?  Probably a lot more than ISIS or similar groups can claim in their attacks.    

Exactly. It shocks and horrifies the fear-mongers among us that WE could do *anything* wrong. When confronted with it, they get angry and retreat into cognitive dissonance to feel better.

Or as the great J. Krishnamurti said: "You think you are thinking your thoughts, you are not. You are thinking the culture's thoughts."

[mollyanna58]

From Slate:

"A Belgian film and theater director named Ismaël Saidi has written a succinct, heartfelt response to a troubling question that Muslims often hear after an Islamist terrorist attack: “Why aren’t Muslims condemning the terrorist attacks en masse?” Saidi, who was born in Belgium to Moroccan parents, published his riposte on Facebook, where it was liked more than 15,000 times, and the Belgian newspaper La Libre has reprinted it"

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/23/_why_aren_t_muslims_condemning_the_attacks_en_masse_a_belgian_director_has.html

[Green Eyed Lady]

Mar 23, 2016 8:36:22 GMT -5 milee said:

Mar 23, 2016 8:22:08 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Should we look at all white high school males as school shooters until we can sort that out too?

The two most notorious abortion clinic bombers/mass shooters (Eric Rudolph and Robert Dear)  were middle aged Christian white males. Over the past 30 years dozens of employees of abortion clinics have been shot, attacked, assaulted and/or kidnapped by middle aged Christian white males as well.  Please include middle aged white Christian males in the "special scrutiny needed" category.

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

[kittensaver]

Mar 23, 2016 15:06:52 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Mar 23, 2016 8:36:22 GMT -5 milee said:

The two most notorious abortion clinic bombers/mass shooters (Eric Rudolph and Robert Dear)  were middle aged Christian white males. Over the past 30 years dozens of employees of abortion clinics have been shot, attacked, assaulted and/or kidnapped by middle aged Christian white males as well.  Please include middle aged white Christian males in the "special scrutiny needed" category.

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

You know, several of us here have been arguing - on this thread and several others over the past months - that one could (and SHOULD!) say the EXACT same thing about Muslims (as in: substitute the word Muslim for the word Christian in your statement above).

It's just that there are folks here who refuse to believe it.

They seem hellbent on painting all Muslims with the same evil brush, whether it's out of fear or political affiliation or *whatever else* is going on inside their thought processes.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Mar 23, 2016 15:06:52 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Mar 23, 2016 8:36:22 GMT -5 milee said:

The two most notorious abortion clinic bombers/mass shooters (Eric Rudolph and Robert Dear)  were middle aged Christian white males. Over the past 30 years dozens of employees of abortion clinics have been shot, attacked, assaulted and/or kidnapped by middle aged Christian white males as well.  Please include middle aged white Christian males in the "special scrutiny needed" category.

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

Just b/c ISIS says they are Muslim doesn't mean they are true Muslims.     True Muslims don't go around bombing Paris and Brussels.

See the point people are trying to make?

[Miss Tequila]

Mar 23, 2016 14:04:11 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

To be fair I think it depends how you define terrorist because some of the people fighting against western civilization consider us the terrorists.  Picking a 15 year period is relevant because it's current but to me it speaks to who/why we're fighting who we are.  A lot of dictators and terror groups around the world have ties to the US and/or US intervention in other parts of the world.  In the 80's the US armed and trained the Afghans in their fight against Russia only to end up in a war in Afghanistan in the beginning of this century.  Kind of hard to defeat a belief system and by that I mean a radical belief system when the US and it's allies continue to make enemies due to their actions.  How many civilians have been killed in friendly fire by the US in the last 15 years?  Probably a lot more than ISIS or similar groups can claim in their attacks.    

I have no doubt that there have been a lot of friendly Fire victims. Sadly that happens when there is war. And I can see how that would incite the crazies...and that might account for the terror attacks if they only happened to the U.S. but that hasn't been the case

And you said it yourself, very hard to overcome their belief system. So how do we protect ourselves if we don't keep the people out of our country? If we don't take a harder look at those people from those countries that breed terrorists? If we don't admit that sometimes profiling can save American lives...because when lives are at risk Im more than ok with politically incorrect profiling.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Mar 23, 2016 15:14:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:06:52 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

Just b/c ISIS says they are Muslim doesn't mean they are true Muslims.     True Muslims don't go around bombing Paris and Brussels.

See the point people are trying to make?

No. I don't. I don't see the point in pointing fingers at religion....period.  Some people are just evil and there is no point in trying our very best to attribute that to ANY religion - Islam, Christian...any religion. There is no point. It's dumb and it's not admitting the real problem - which is simple and unadulterated evil.  I know next to nothing about Islam so I won't talk about it (which I wish people who knew nothing about Christianity would refrain from doing also), but from the little bit I do know, committing atrocious acts of pure evil isn't what they believe either.  Until people stop this dumb crap, nothing is going to change.  Sadly, I think it's too late anyway.

I'm with Ken.  This is all too sad.  All people want to do about it is spout stupid crap about religion when the opposite is the cause of all of it.  If we are to accept there is "good" in this world, we must accept there is also "evil".  Only good will defeat evil.  "Good" isn't comprised of blaming religion - anybody's religion.  But I suppose we'll go ahead and do it....cause it's working out so well for all of us.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

The guy that gave all the guns to that California couple was Mexican (South American? I can't remember).  He converted after watching ISIS videos on the internet and decided to help out the California couple.

How do we stop people of other nationalities from converting and joining the cause?

A large portion of Southeast Asia is Muslim.  There is nothing stopping Isis from recruiting people over there and then them coming to states.

Which is probably exactly what would happen if you announced all people from the Middle East are banned from the country.   The people that run ISIS are not stupid.

[Miss Tequila]

Mar 23, 2016 15:14:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:06:52 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

Just b/c ISIS says they are Muslim doesn't mean they are true Muslims.     True Muslims don't go around bombing Paris and Brussels.

See the point people are trying to make?

That's the problem. We can't tell a crazy Muslim from a peace loving one. So how do you propose we keep our citizens safe? You can say the same thing about crazy white Christian males attacking abortionists but from the link I posted they have only killed 11 people in 26 years. Not exactly a major threat to anyone..and if you stay out of abortion clinics they aren't a threat to anyone.

The crazy school shooters is another issue that we need to deal with. But they are american citizens so it is our issue. The terrorists aren't american citizens and if we would stop letting them i would have to think we would be safer.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Mar 23, 2016 15:12:40 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:06:52 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

No. They weren't Christians. True Christians don't bomb clinics. They may have SAID they were Christians, but I can go around barking and say I'm a dog and neither would be true.

You know, several of us here have been arguing - on this thread and several others over the past months - that one could (and SHOULD!) say the EXACT same thing about Muslims (as in: substitute the word Muslim for the word Christian in your statement above).

It's just that there are folks here who refuse to believe it.

They seem hellbent on painting all Muslims with the same evil brush, whether it's out of fear or political affiliation or *whatever else* is going on inside their thought processes.

Yes, they do.  I know so little about Islam that I wouldn't even attempt to say what are or aren't their beliefs....but I'm pretty sure bombing the shit out of innocent people would belong in the "aren't" category.  I suppose people want to blame something rather than accepting what it really is - pure evil.

[ArchietheDragon]

Mar 23, 2016 15:35:54 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Mar 23, 2016 14:04:11 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

To be fair I think it depends how you define terrorist because some of the people fighting against western civilization consider us the terrorists.  Picking a 15 year period is relevant because it's current but to me it speaks to who/why we're fighting who we are.  A lot of dictators and terror groups around the world have ties to the US and/or US intervention in other parts of the world.  In the 80's the US armed and trained the Afghans in their fight against Russia only to end up in a war in Afghanistan in the beginning of this century.  Kind of hard to defeat a belief system and by that I mean a radical belief system when the US and it's allies continue to make enemies due to their actions.  How many civilians have been killed in friendly fire by the US in the last 15 years?  Probably a lot more than ISIS or similar groups can claim in their attacks.    

I have no doubt that there have been a lot of friendly Fire victims. Sadly that happens when there is war. And I can see how that would incite the crazies...and that might account for the terror attacks if they only happened to the U.S. but that hasn't been the case

And you said it yourself, very hard to overcome their belief system. So how do we protect ourselves if we don't keep the people out of our country? If we don't take a harder look at those people from those countries that breed terrorists? If we don't admit that sometimes profiling can save American lives...because when lives are at risk Im more than ok with politically incorrect profiling.

We should put more effort into ending distracted driving, if saving American lives is the goal. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Mar 23, 2016 15:37:54 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:14:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just b/c ISIS says they are Muslim doesn't mean they are true Muslims.     True Muslims don't go around bombing Paris and Brussels.

See the point people are trying to make?

No. I don't. I don't see the point in pointing fingers at religion....period.  Some people are just evil and there is no point in trying our very best to attribute that to ANY religion - Islam, Christian...any religion. There is no point. It's dumb and it's not admitting the real problem - which is simple and unadulterated evil.  I know next to nothing about Islam so I won't talk about it (which I wish people who knew nothing about Christianity would refrain from doing also), but from the little bit I do know, committing atrocious acts of pure evil isn't what they believe either.  Until people stop this dumb crap, nothing is going to change.  Sadly, I think it's too late anyway.

I'm with Ken.  This is all too sad.  All people want to do about it is spout stupid crap about religion when the opposite is the cause of all of it.  If we are to accept there is "good" in this world, we must accept there is also "evil".  Only good will defeat evil.  "Good" isn't comprised of blaming religion - anybody's religion.  But I suppose we'll go ahead and do it....cause it's working out so well for all of us.

You missed the point.   The point was people are profiling and stereotyping Muslims.

Milee was pointing out it's just as easy to create stereotypes and profiles for other groups of people.

All the mass shooters either owned guns or had family members that owned guns.   Therefore all gun owning Americans are potential mass shooters and should be locked up before they get the chance to snap.

Correlation does not equal causation.

See where we're going with this?   

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Mar 23, 2016 15:39:34 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:14:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Just b/c ISIS says they are Muslim doesn't mean they are true Muslims.     True Muslims don't go around bombing Paris and Brussels.

See the point people are trying to make?

That's the problem. We can't tell a crazy Muslim from a peace loving one. So how do you propose we keep our citizens safe? You can say the same thing about crazy white Christian males attacking abortionists but from the link I posted they have only killed 11 people in 26 years. Not exactly a major threat to anyone..and if you stay out of abortion clinics they aren't a threat to anyone.

The crazy school shooters is another issue that we need to deal with. But they are american citizens so it is our issue. The terrorists aren't american citizens and if we would stop letting them i would have to think we would be safer.

See post #129

Islam is one of the largest religions in the world next to Christianity.  It's not limited to the Middle East. 

What about American citizens who join the cause?  The male half of the California couple was born in Chicago.

Jihadi John was born in Great Britain.

What about people born in non-Muslim majority countries who convert and join the cause like the Mexican neighbor of the California couple who supplied them with the guns?

Do we go after all brown skinned people who look like they might be of Middle Eastern descent?  I can tell you that unless they tell me I can't pinpoint the country of birth for every person I work with just by looking at them.

Do we only ban people who say they are Muslim from the middle east or do we ban Muslims from every other part of the world too?

How do we know if the person is telling the truth if they state they are Christian?  How do we know if they are telling the truth that they are Jewish?   It'd be pretty easy to lie about your religion.



Where do we stop?

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 12:16:18 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Mar 23, 2016 11:20:20 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Eliminate the threat?

Impossible.  It's like the war on drugs...you can bust the head of a drug organization but someone is always there to take his/her place.  All any of us can do is be aware of our surroundings and report anything suspicious, and by suspicious I DON'T mean the fact that someone happens to be of middle eastern decent. 

In the end, we all just have to live our lives or else the terrorist have won. 

Either can be stopped, but it appears we as a country don't yet seem to have the stomach for what it would take to do it. With the terrorist problem, I fully expect that one day we will find the stomach for it, but only after a great number of dead Americans are buried. I'd like to see it happen before then, but don't think it will.

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 15:44:11 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Mar 23, 2016 15:39:34 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

That's the problem. We can't tell a crazy Muslim from a peace loving one. So how do you propose we keep our citizens safe? You can say the same thing about crazy white Christian males attacking abortionists but from the link I posted they have only killed 11 people in 26 years. Not exactly a major threat to anyone..and if you stay out of abortion clinics they aren't a threat to anyone.

The crazy school shooters is another issue that we need to deal with. But they are american citizens so it is our issue. The terrorists aren't american citizens and if we would stop letting them i would have to think we would be safer.

See post #129

Islam is one of the largest religions in the world next to Christianity.  It's not limited to the Middle East. 

What about American citizens who join the cause?  The male half of the California couple was born in Chicago.

Jihadi John was born in Great Britain.

What about people born in non-Muslim majority countries who convert and join the cause like the Mexican neighbor of the California couple who supplied them with the guns?

Do we go after all brown skinned people who look like they might be of Middle Eastern descent?  I can tell you that unless they tell me I can't pinpoint the country of birth for every person I work with just by looking at them.

Do we only ban people who say they are Muslim from the middle east or do we ban Muslims from every other part of the world too?

How do we know if the person is telling the truth if they state they are Christian?  How do we know if they are telling the truth that they are Jewish?   It'd be pretty easy to lie about your religion.



Where do we stop?

We stop when the threat is eliminated.

[Value Buy]

Mar 23, 2016 11:22:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

We've nailed several top leaders in these organizations, someone else keeps popping up to take their place.

You can't stop people from wanting to do bad things, or organizing other people to do bad things with them.

Or is the suggestion to bomb the entire middle east/eliminate all Muslims on the planet?

Okay, do we have to tell you how many times you will have to face Mecca and pray everyday?
Or else.

[gregintenn]

Tell you what. These folks believe you as an infidel are to either submit or die. Well, I'm an infidel, and I have no plans of submitting. Dying doesn't sound real appealing either.

[kittensaver]

Aaaaaaaaaand the fear mongers show up . . . . .

[souldoubt]

Mar 23, 2016 15:35:54 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Mar 23, 2016 14:04:11 GMT -5 souldoubt said:

To be fair I think it depends how you define terrorist because some of the people fighting against western civilization consider us the terrorists.  Picking a 15 year period is relevant because it's current but to me it speaks to who/why we're fighting who we are.  A lot of dictators and terror groups around the world have ties to the US and/or US intervention in other parts of the world.  In the 80's the US armed and trained the Afghans in their fight against Russia only to end up in a war in Afghanistan in the beginning of this century.  Kind of hard to defeat a belief system and by that I mean a radical belief system when the US and it's allies continue to make enemies due to their actions.  How many civilians have been killed in friendly fire by the US in the last 15 years?  Probably a lot more than ISIS or similar groups can claim in their attacks.    

I have no doubt that there have been a lot of friendly Fire victims. Sadly that happens when there is war. And I can see how that would incite the crazies...and that might account for the terror attacks if they only happened to the U.S. but that hasn't been the case

And you said it yourself, very hard to overcome their belief system. So how do we protect ourselves if we don't keep the people out of our country? If we don't take a harder look at those people from those countries that breed terrorists? If we don't admit that sometimes profiling can save American lives...because when lives are at risk Im more than ok with politically incorrect profiling.

You say war while people on the other side would call it an invasion.  If another country invaded the US we'd go to war to fight for our freedom and to defend our country from an unwanted invasion just the same.    

As far as "their belief system" I actually said "radical belief system" in terms of the fringe element you can find in regards to any belief, religion, political affiliation, etc.  Generally the minority that gives the rest a bad name so to speak.  The US profiled during WW2 when they rounded up US citizens into Japanese internment camps then apologized profusely and said it was wrong years after the fact.  What's different now exactly?  When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor the US feared a west coast invasion so in terms of living in fear nothing.  It was wrong then and it would be wrong now to profile the almost 3 million Muslims living in this country.  

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 16:17:43 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Aaaaaaaaaand the fear mongers show up . . . . .

Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember what happened on 9/11/01.

I'll never forget it.

[milee]

Again, nobody's suggesting we not fight terrorism and terrorists. We're just disagreeing that 1) all Muslims are terrorists and 2) some of the things you've suggested (like blanket discrimination against all Muslims) is an effective tactic to fight terrorism.

You seem like a ready, fire, aim kind of guy. I'm suggesting that we ready, aim, fire.

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 19:43:17 GMT -5 milee said:

Again, nobody's suggesting we not fight terrorism and terrorists. We're just disagreeing that 1) all Muslims are terrorists and 2) some of the things you've suggested (like blanket discrimination against all Muslims) is an effective tactic to fight terrorism.

You seem like a ready, fire, aim kind of guy. I'm suggesting that we ready, aim, fire.

Who would better be able to discern a radical jihadist from a run if the mill peace loving muslim? Me, you, some asshole in D.C., or the muslim community? I can tell you I have no idea how to pick them out.

What if we give the "nation of islam" a finite amount of time to purge these from their ranks? If this doesn't happen, then they will NOT like the aftermath. I don't know of an easy solution to this problem, but sitting around pretending it isn't a problem only allows them to get larger and stronger. The longer we wait to rectify the situation, the tougher a job it's going to be. Right now, all we are doing is poking the beehive with a stick.

[milee]

Mar 23, 2016 19:51:16 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 23, 2016 19:43:17 GMT -5 milee said:

Again, nobody's suggesting we not fight terrorism and terrorists. We're just disagreeing that 1) all Muslims are terrorists and 2) some of the things you've suggested (like blanket discrimination against all Muslims) is an effective tactic to fight terrorism.

You seem like a ready, fire, aim kind of guy. I'm suggesting that we ready, aim, fire.

Who would better be able to discern a radical jihadist from a run if the mill peace loving muslim? Me, you, some asshole in D.C., or the muslim community? I can tell you I have no idea how to pick them out.

What if we give the "nation of islam" a finite amount of time to purge these from their ranks? If this doesn't happen, then they will NOT like the aftermath. I don't know of an easy solution to this problem, but sitting around pretending it isn't a problem only allows them to get larger and stronger. The longer we wait to rectify the situation, the tougher a job it's going to be. Right now, all we are doing is poking the beehive with a stick.

The only two choices are not discriminate against all Muslims or do nothing. You are creating a straw man (that if we think it's dumb and counterproductive to go after all Muslims we want to do nothing).

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5 milee said:

Mar 23, 2016 19:51:16 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Who would better be able to discern a radical jihadist from a run if the mill peace loving muslim? Me, you, some asshole in D.C., or the muslim community? I can tell you I have no idea how to pick them out.

What if we give the "nation of islam" a finite amount of time to purge these from their ranks? If this doesn't happen, then they will NOT like the aftermath. I don't know of an easy solution to this problem, but sitting around pretending it isn't a problem only allows them to get larger and stronger. The longer we wait to rectify the situation, the tougher a job it's going to be. Right now, all we are doing is poking the beehive with a stick.

The only two choices are not discriminate against all Muslims or do nothing. You are creating a straw man (that if we think it's dumb and counterproductive to go after all Muslims we want to do nothing).

You know where the radical muslims are located? Hiding among the moderate muslims. Since we can't tell them apart, what are we going to do? What's the third choice?

[milee]

Mar 23, 2016 19:51:16 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 23, 2016 19:43:17 GMT -5 milee said:

Again, nobody's suggesting we not fight terrorism and terrorists. We're just disagreeing that 1) all Muslims are terrorists and 2) some of the things you've suggested (like blanket discrimination against all Muslims) is an effective tactic to fight terrorism.

You seem like a ready, fire, aim kind of guy. I'm suggesting that we ready, aim, fire.

Who would better be able to discern a radical jihadist from a run if the mill peace loving muslim? Me, you, some asshole in D.C., or the muslim community? I can tell you I have no idea how to pick them out.

What if we give the "nation of islam" a finite amount of time to purge these from their ranks? If this doesn't happen, then they will NOT like the aftermath. I don't know of an easy solution to this problem, but sitting around pretending it isn't a problem only allows them to get larger and stronger. The longer we wait to rectify the situation, the tougher a job it's going to be. Right now, all we are doing is poking the beehive with a stick.

You want to know what would really poke the beehive? Setting up blanket institutional discrimination against all Muslims. THAT would poke the beehive.

[milee]

Mar 23, 2016 20:11:32 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 23, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5 milee said:

The only two choices are not discriminate against all Muslims or do nothing. You are creating a straw man (that if we think it's dumb and counterproductive to go after all Muslims we want to do nothing).

You know where the radical muslims are located? Hiding among the moderate muslims. Since we can't tell them apart, what are we going to do? What's the third choice?

The same thing we do when one man commits a crime - we find that guy. Even if he's hiding among all the other guys.

[milee]

Mar 23, 2016 20:11:32 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Mar 23, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5 milee said:

The only two choices are not discriminate against all Muslims or do nothing. You are creating a straw man (that if we think it's dumb and counterproductive to go after all Muslims we want to do nothing).

You know where the radical muslims are located? Hiding among the moderate muslims. Since we can't tell them apart, what are we going to do? What's the third choice?

By the way, don't keep referring to all Americans as "we." I do not remotely support your ideas to systematically discriminate against all Muslims. I was raised Christian, but if the American government starts practicing institutionalized discrimination against Muslims I will find myself much closer to the Muslim camp than this "we" you keep assuming stands with you.

[gregintenn]

Mar 23, 2016 20:12:56 GMT -5 milee said:

Mar 23, 2016 19:51:16 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Who would better be able to discern a radical jihadist from a run if the mill peace loving muslim? Me, you, some asshole in D.C., or the muslim community? I can tell you I have no idea how to pick them out.

What if we give the "nation of islam" a finite amount of time to purge these from their ranks? If this doesn't happen, then they will NOT like the aftermath. I don't know of an easy solution to this problem, but sitting around pretending it isn't a problem only allows them to get larger and stronger. The longer we wait to rectify the situation, the tougher a job it's going to be. Right now, all we are doing is poking the beehive with a stick.

You want to know what would really poke the beehive? Setting up blanket institutional discrimination against all Muslims. THAT would poke the beehive.

What if we fumigate the beehive?