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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Mar 22, 2016 14:17:08 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 22, 2016 14:18:27 GMT -5
My college suite mate was from Dearborn. Her father owned a restaurant there. I've always wondered if she became a nut job or produced any? If not, I'll bet she's helped fund some. Because all Muslims fund ISIS. Just like all Christians bomb Planned Parenthood.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 22, 2016 14:20:19 GMT -5
They are but she was as normal as anyone else. I wonder if she stayed that way? Why wouldn't she? My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone. This stuff is taking place in her backyard.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 22, 2016 14:23:05 GMT -5
My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone.
Then how come I haven't personally seen her saying something or doing something about it? If I haven't seen or heard her denounce it personally then she is clearly in support of ISIS. I find it interesting that it's acceptable to treat every Muslim like a terrorist. But if I call the cops on someone I don't know strolling down my street in body armor with a gun that's infringing on his second amendment rights and I need to mind my own business. After all not all gun toting people are insane criminals looking to cause a mass shooting. I need to stop being so judgmental.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 22, 2016 14:27:28 GMT -5
My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone.
Then how come I haven't personally seen her saying something or doing something about it? If I haven't seen or heard her denounce it personally then she is clearly in support of ISIS. I find it interesting that it's acceptable to treat every Muslim like a terrorist. But if I call the cops on someone I don't know strolling down my street in body armor with a gun that's infringing on his second amendment rights and I need to mind my own business. After all not all gun toting people are insane criminals looking to cause a mass shooting. I need to stop being so judgmental. Unfortunately, CNN isn't that interested in the opinions of a scientist or an orthodontist. I'm finding all of this rather alarming, because this prevalent attitude is not that far off from Nazi Germany.
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Post by lexxy703 on Mar 22, 2016 14:35:30 GMT -5
I wish we had other options besides "like" to mark others' posts, because it just doesn't seem appropriate to "like" ❤ mollymouser ❤ 's post, yet, it damn well should be acknowledged. I thought the same thing. My first response was to like her post, but on further thought that didn't seem very appropriate due to the nature of the post.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 22, 2016 15:03:55 GMT -5
My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone.
Then how come I haven't personally seen her saying something or doing something about it? If I haven't seen or heard her denounce it personally then she is clearly in support of ISIS. I find it interesting that it's acceptable to treat every Muslim like a terrorist. But if I call the cops on someone I don't know strolling down my street in body armor with a gun that's infringing on his second amendment rights and I need to mind my own business. After all not all gun toting people are insane criminals looking to cause a mass shooting. I need to stop being so judgmental. Unfortunately, CNN isn't that interested in the opinions of a scientist or an orthodontist. I'm finding all of this rather alarming, because this prevalent attitude is not that far off from Nazi Germany. I keep thinking about internment camps.
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Post by quince on Mar 22, 2016 15:05:55 GMT -5
Well, if the person strolling down your street has a high melanin content, body armor or weapon is not needed to justify your call to the cops. (SO GLAD MY KID LOOKS WHITE, AND FUCK ME FOR THINKING THIS WAY.)
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Mar 22, 2016 15:06:55 GMT -5
HOW BRUSSELS BECAME A TERRORIST HUBwww.vox.com/world/2016/3/22/11284176/brussels-attacks-terrorism(excerpt ~ click link for full story) Bomb blasts rocked an international airport and a metro stop in Brussels this morning, killing at least 34 and thrusting Belgium's ties to terrorist plots back into the spotlight.
For years now, a number of terrorist plots in Europe and abroad have connected back to Brussels, the capital of Belgium.
Belgium is a relatively small country, but its capital is home to a well-oiled underground jihadist pipeline that has sent more than 400 fighters to Syria, making the nation Europe’s largest per capita source of fighters to Syria.
Belgian gunmen helped carry out the Paris attacks on November 13. But Belgian involvement in terrorism plots goes back at least as far as the Madrid train attacks in 2004, when one of the suspected terrorists came from the Brussels neighborhood of Molenbeek.
On Friday, the man believed to be the mastermind behind the Paris attacks, Salah Abdeslam, was captured by police in Brussels. He was the last known living suspect in the Paris attacks, though police are now looking for several other men who they believe were closely linked to his operations.
Abdeslam's capture triggered fear that terrorists would launch a retaliatory attack, and indeed officials across the city attempted to prepare for such a likelihood, increasing police presence at the airport and throughout the city’s metro system — where today’s attacks occurred.
But how did Belgium find itself at the center of a burgeoning terrorist network?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 16:08:47 GMT -5
In respect for this thread, and not wanting to take it away from the original post, I'm leaving for awhile. Getting off social media completely for awhile and go hug my grandsons as they come home from school. I'll see the kids on their bus. White, black, Hispanic. Christian, Jew and Muslim. Sorry I know I've missed other races and religions. All laughing and being friends. I've had enough hate today. I so agree with this statement. We turned off all the political news shows in the morning yesterday, and never turned on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News either. Wanted to get away from the Democrat versus Trump, and Republican versus Trump fiascos. It was..........refreshing. And, then this morning......................................
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 22, 2016 16:12:51 GMT -5
Did you hear the one about the Christian, the Jew, the Muslim, the Buddhist and the Atheist who all walked in to a bar?
They sat down, ordered drinks, started talking to each other, had a great time and became friends.
Seriously - that's what happens when you're not an a$$hole.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 22, 2016 16:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Mar 22, 2016 16:38:46 GMT -5
www.stripes.com/news/europe/why-is-brussels-under-attack-1.400493Why is Brussels under attack?(excerpt ~ whole story at link) Brussels was hit by a number of deadly explosions on Tuesday, with all signs pointing toward a coordinated terror attack.
It's a shocking turn of events, but for anyone closely observing the city over the past few years, it wasn't exactly a surprise: While the Belgian capital had once been known best as a center for European culture and politics, its reputation had been tainted recently because of links to extremism and terror plots.
Those links were hammered home just last week, when Belgian authorities finally captured terrorism suspect Salah Abdeslam in Brussels's predominantly Muslim Molenbeek quarter. Abdeslam, 26, was the last known surviving participant in November's attacks in Paris that left 130 people dead. Abdeslam was a French citizen of Moroccan descent, but he had been born in Brussels and later lived there in Molenbeek with his family - including a 31-year-old brother, Brahim, who blew himself up in the Paris attacks.
It had been known for months that Abdeslam had traveled back to Belgium after the attacks, but it was only in the past few weeks that Belgian authorities got a lead and captured him and an alleged accomplice. While the discovery of Abdeslam was touted as a success, it also appeared to show that the number of people involved in the Paris attacks could be far larger than first thought. And worryingly, there were signs that Abdeslam and the network around him had been planning more attacks.
At present it remains unclear if there is any link between the French terror suspect and the attacks on Tuesday, but it's not hard to see why many suspect there would be.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, it quickly emerged that the attackers' suspected ringleader, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was a Belgian citizen. Abaaoud was killed in a raid in Paris just days after the attack. Brussels was on lockdown for days after it was revealed that Abdeslam had slipped unnoticed through the French border just hours after the attacks in Paris; even after the lockdown was eased, Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel warned that the threat of an attack still "serious and imminent." Prior to the raid that netted Abdeslam, there were a number of other of raids that uncovered suspected jihadists.
Much of the attention in the aftermath of the Parisian attacks last year focused on French problems such as disenfranchisement and segregation in suburbs and radicalization in the country's prison system. However, it soon became clear that Belgium may suffer from even worse problems.
Molenbeek, an area of northwest Brussels home to around 100,000 people, has emerged as a particular area of concern. "There is almost always a link with Molenbeek,"Michel said last November. "That's a gigantic problem of course."
The area, just across the Canal not far from some of Brussels's more fashionable areas, first began to fill up with Turkish and Moroccan immigrants around 50 years ago. But while the area has seen some levels of gentrification in recent years, it remains a sharp contrast with more affluent areas of the city nearby: Unemployment has been estimated at as much as 40 percent, and there are many seedy and rundown shops in the area.
Often those from immigrant backgrounds find themselves at a competitive disadvantage on the job market as they speak only French and Arabic when many jobs in the city require a knowledge of French, Flemish or Dutch, and sometimes English. A growing right wing political movement in Belgium has led to feelings of division in the country: Some Muslims say that a 2012 ban on Islamic veils like burqas and niqabs in public spaces is a sign of their community's alienation from the Catholic mainstream.
Molenbeek's links to radicalized groups has long been known.
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Post by debthaven on Mar 22, 2016 19:17:54 GMT -5
I haven't read all the posts on this thread.
I don't think anybody can help us. You're generally a lot safer from Isis in the US than we are in Europe, but you have other issues to deal with, like the kooks with kalishnikovs. We don't have that here (yet?)
All day today I was thinking of the Harry Potter books, and how incredibly preminiscient Rowling was about her Deatheaters.
ETA: This is ironic, but I started VERY late for me today, my first class was 11. And I was thrilled, because DH and I and all four kids (3 of whom are adults) went to a concert last night. I NEVER agree to go out late on a Monday night, but this concert was initially scheduled for 9 Dec at the Bataclan, where one of the attacks took place on 13 Dec. It was rescheduled for last night, in a different venue.
I don't do crowds well in the best of times, so to say I was a nervous wreck would be a huge understatement. DS3 and I grabbed dinner at a fast food place next door to the venue and EVERYBODY in the entire restaurant was talking about being nervous about going to a concert, that statistics show that you're safer near the front than the back, that they should stand next to an emergency exit.
DH bought those tix in Sept when he learned that DS1 would be local for 6 months, because he absolutely wanted us to do something all together. All I could think of is that if Gd forbid something should happen, for ONCE all my 4 kids are in the same place at the same time.
School today was totally useless, the students are completely beside themselves (again). We have a lot of staff that commutes from Brussels, both to the main campus and to my satellite campus in Paris.
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Post by Jaguar on Mar 22, 2016 19:27:51 GMT -5
For Debt << HUGE HUGS >>
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Post by debthaven on Mar 22, 2016 19:30:47 GMT -5
Thanks Sugi.
I don't know how many of you may have seen the Plantu cartoon on FB. He gets it right ever.single.time. (He was one of our favorite illustrators at my old job.)
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 19:39:38 GMT -5
I do not think Belgium has dropped any bombs on anyone.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 19:45:15 GMT -5
www.stripes.com/news/europe/why-is-brussels-under-attack-1.400493Why is Brussels under attack?(excerpt ~ whole story at link) Brussels was hit by a number of deadly explosions on Tuesday, with all signs pointing toward a coordinated terror attack.
It's a shocking turn of events, but for anyone closely observing the city over the past few years, it wasn't exactly a surprise: While the Belgian capital had once been known best as a center for European culture and politics, its reputation had been tainted recently because of links to extremism and terror plots.
Those links were hammered home just last week, when Belgian authorities finally captured terrorism suspect Salah Abdeslam in Brussels's predominantly Muslim Molenbeek quarter. Abdeslam, 26, was the last known surviving participant in November's attacks in Paris that left 130 people dead. Abdeslam was a French citizen of Moroccan descent, but he had been born in Brussels and later lived there in Molenbeek with his family - including a 31-year-old brother, Brahim, who blew himself up in the Paris attacks.
It had been known for months that Abdeslam had traveled back to Belgium after the attacks, but it was only in the past few weeks that Belgian authorities got a lead and captured him and an alleged accomplice. While the discovery of Abdeslam was touted as a success, it also appeared to show that the number of people involved in the Paris attacks could be far larger than first thought. And worryingly, there were signs that Abdeslam and the network around him had been planning more attacks.
At present it remains unclear if there is any link between the French terror suspect and the attacks on Tuesday, but it's not hard to see why many suspect there would be.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, it quickly emerged that the attackers' suspected ringleader, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was a Belgian citizen. Abaaoud was killed in a raid in Paris just days after the attack. Brussels was on lockdown for days after it was revealed that Abdeslam had slipped unnoticed through the French border just hours after the attacks in Paris; even after the lockdown was eased, Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel warned that the threat of an attack still "serious and imminent." Prior to the raid that netted Abdeslam, there were a number of other of raids that uncovered suspected jihadists.
Much of the attention in the aftermath of the Parisian attacks last year focused on French problems such as disenfranchisement and segregation in suburbs and radicalization in the country's prison system. However, it soon became clear that Belgium may suffer from even worse problems.
Molenbeek, an area of northwest Brussels home to around 100,000 people, has emerged as a particular area of concern. "There is almost always a link with Molenbeek,"Michel said last November. "That's a gigantic problem of course."
The area, just across the Canal not far from some of Brussels's more fashionable areas, first began to fill up with Turkish and Moroccan immigrants around 50 years ago. But while the area has seen some levels of gentrification in recent years, it remains a sharp contrast with more affluent areas of the city nearby: Unemployment has been estimated at as much as 40 percent, and there are many seedy and rundown shops in the area.
Often those from immigrant backgrounds find themselves at a competitive disadvantage on the job market as they speak only French and Arabic when many jobs in the city require a knowledge of French, Flemish or Dutch, and sometimes English. A growing right wing political movement in Belgium has led to feelings of division in the country: Some Muslims say that a 2012 ban on Islamic veils like burqas and niqabs in public spaces is a sign of their community's alienation from the Catholic mainstream.
Molenbeek's links to radicalized groups has long been known. I disagree with the highlighted portion. Immigrants throughout the world face the same issues of language barriers in their new homeland. There is only one group of immigrants that stand out internationally for bombings and mass murders around the world. And there is a religious connection to it. As far as a ban on burqas and niqabs in public spaces this was in response to terrorism by the same ethnic, religious group, not the result of the banning.
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Post by Jaguar on Mar 22, 2016 19:51:51 GMT -5
I shared this on my timeline. Namaste.
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Post by debthaven on Mar 22, 2016 19:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 22, 2016 20:18:49 GMT -5
hugs, debt. I thought of you this morning too. it isn't lost on me that Europe isn't much bigger than New England (and some of NY/PA/NJ) and I've spent a bunch of time over there, too.
I didn't know that there were people that would commute between the capitals, but I suppose the TGV makes everything closer. I hope everyone you know and love is safe and accounted for.
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 23, 2016 7:41:58 GMT -5
They are but she was as normal as anyone else. I wonder if she stayed that way? Why wouldn't she? My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone. This stuff is taking place in her backyard. Why the hell don't they do anything about it?
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 23, 2016 7:47:43 GMT -5
May I add the fact that these attackers were Muslim? May I add the fact that these attackers were men? See how stupid that sounded? Everybody already said what I want to say about how horrific this is and all I can do is hope and pray for peace and for people to stop acting insane. You are correct as am I. We need to be looking at Muslim men with a special scrutiny until we can sort this out.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 23, 2016 7:48:43 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she? My Turkish friends are Muslim and they are as horrified as to what's going on as anyone. This stuff is taking place in her backyard. Why the hell don't they do anything about it? Because the Turks are only interested in killing Kurds.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 23, 2016 8:08:30 GMT -5
www.stripes.com/news/europe/why-is-brussels-under-attack-1.400493Why is Brussels under attack?(excerpt ~ whole story at link) Brussels was hit by a number of deadly explosions on Tuesday, with all signs pointing toward a coordinated terror attack.
It's a shocking turn of events, but for anyone closely observing the city over the past few years, it wasn't exactly a surprise: While the Belgian capital had once been known best as a center for European culture and politics, its reputation had been tainted recently because of links to extremism and terror plots.
Those links were hammered home just last week, when Belgian authorities finally captured terrorism suspect Salah Abdeslam in Brussels's predominantly Muslim Molenbeek quarter. Abdeslam, 26, was the last known surviving participant in November's attacks in Paris that left 130 people dead. Abdeslam was a French citizen of Moroccan descent, but he had been born in Brussels and later lived there in Molenbeek with his family - including a 31-year-old brother, Brahim, who blew himself up in the Paris attacks.
It had been known for months that Abdeslam had traveled back to Belgium after the attacks, but it was only in the past few weeks that Belgian authorities got a lead and captured him and an alleged accomplice. While the discovery of Abdeslam was touted as a success, it also appeared to show that the number of people involved in the Paris attacks could be far larger than first thought. And worryingly, there were signs that Abdeslam and the network around him had been planning more attacks.
At present it remains unclear if there is any link between the French terror suspect and the attacks on Tuesday, but it's not hard to see why many suspect there would be.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, it quickly emerged that the attackers' suspected ringleader, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, was a Belgian citizen. Abaaoud was killed in a raid in Paris just days after the attack. Brussels was on lockdown for days after it was revealed that Abdeslam had slipped unnoticed through the French border just hours after the attacks in Paris; even after the lockdown was eased, Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel warned that the threat of an attack still "serious and imminent." Prior to the raid that netted Abdeslam, there were a number of other of raids that uncovered suspected jihadists.
Much of the attention in the aftermath of the Parisian attacks last year focused on French problems such as disenfranchisement and segregation in suburbs and radicalization in the country's prison system. However, it soon became clear that Belgium may suffer from even worse problems.
Molenbeek, an area of northwest Brussels home to around 100,000 people, has emerged as a particular area of concern. "There is almost always a link with Molenbeek,"Michel said last November. "That's a gigantic problem of course."
The area, just across the Canal not far from some of Brussels's more fashionable areas, first began to fill up with Turkish and Moroccan immigrants around 50 years ago. But while the area has seen some levels of gentrification in recent years, it remains a sharp contrast with more affluent areas of the city nearby: Unemployment has been estimated at as much as 40 percent, and there are many seedy and rundown shops in the area.
Often those from immigrant backgrounds find themselves at a competitive disadvantage on the job market as they speak only French and Arabic when many jobs in the city require a knowledge of French, Flemish or Dutch, and sometimes English. A growing right wing political movement in Belgium has led to feelings of division in the country: Some Muslims say that a 2012 ban on Islamic veils like burqas and niqabs in public spaces is a sign of their community's alienation from the Catholic mainstream.
Molenbeek's links to radicalized groups has long been known. I disagree with the highlighted portion. Immigrants throughout the world face the same issues of language barriers in their new homeland. There is only one group of immigrants that stand out internationally for bombings and mass murders around the world. And there is a religious connection to it. As far as a ban on burqas and niqabs in public spaces this was in response to terrorism by the same ethnic, religious group, not the result of the banning. In the US and Canada that is true, but in places like Europe, no. My mom spend a lot of time in France and got to know some young people who were the grandchildren of Muslim immigrants from Africa during WWII. They are basically forced to live in ghettos with no chance of ever finding a real job just because of who their grandparents were. They were incredibly nice to my mom, who is an old white lady from the US. They had no reason to be so nice and helpful to her. They didn't know her and had no reason to know she would be equally as nice to them. They would ask what she thought were strange things like for her to get something from them at a store or restaurant. They would pay for it of course. Why would they ask her? They said because that business won't serve them because they are black. She got to see it first hand and it saddened her so much. These are not even immigrants. These are young French people who have never lived anywhere else in the world and they are unwelcome in their own country. Maybe Debt can tell me that what she saw was an anomaly. But she went back every year for 7 years and it never got any better that she saw.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 23, 2016 8:22:08 GMT -5
May I add the fact that these attackers were men? See how stupid that sounded? Everybody already said what I want to say about how horrific this is and all I can do is hope and pray for peace and for people to stop acting insane. You are correct as am I. We need to be looking at Muslim men with a special scrutiny until we can sort this out. Should we look at all white high school males as school shooters until we can sort that out too?
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Post by gregintenn on Mar 23, 2016 8:36:20 GMT -5
You are correct as am I. We need to be looking at Muslim men with a special scrutiny until we can sort this out. Should we look at all white high school males as school shooters until we can sort that out too? I'd have to say yes.
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Post by milee on Mar 23, 2016 8:36:22 GMT -5
You are correct as am I. We need to be looking at Muslim men with a special scrutiny until we can sort this out. Should we look at all white high school males as school shooters until we can sort that out too? The two most notorious abortion clinic bombers/mass shooters (Eric Rudolph and Robert Dear) were middle aged Christian white males. Over the past 30 years dozens of employees of abortion clinics have been shot, attacked, assaulted and/or kidnapped by middle aged Christian white males as well. Please include middle aged white Christian males in the "special scrutiny needed" category.
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