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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:08:31 GMT -5
how about what Edward Snowden is going through. Are you trying to confuse my kids even further?? Were you ever a teenage boy? Maybe my kids are weird, but, they are more likely to drink or smoke pot these days than to leak millions of pages of classified documents. If I use Snowden as an example, my kids will never listen to another life lesson from me for as long as I live. I'm kind of going under the assumption that my kids will eventually partake in both alcohol and pot no matter what I say and the best I can do is warn them of the potential consequences. Not unlike the sex talk.
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Post by imawino on Feb 22, 2016 16:19:16 GMT -5
And if we take the time to explain each of those messages well, I think they can cope. I mean, it isn't the only area of their lives that they get mixed messages. I know. But, in this case, the consequences from making a mistake (as to jurisdiction and the legal status of pot) are particularly damaging. Don't worry about it, your kids are white.
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Post by imawino on Feb 22, 2016 16:20:00 GMT -5
Hopefully it is legal in the entire USA in 20 years when I retire cuz I'm gonna smoke a big fatty to celebrate. If not I'll get a medical card. I may or may not have smoked occasionally many years ago but the reason I don't now is what it could do to my career. Pot is nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol, I may or may not know from experience. What does that mean? I keep hearing/reading that... what is that a euphemism for? I assume it's a euphemism... No, it's not a euphemism.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 22, 2016 16:56:01 GMT -5
And if we take the time to explain each of those messages well, I think they can cope. I mean, it isn't the only area of their lives that they get mixed messages. I know. But, in this case, the consequences from making a mistake (as to jurisdiction and the legal status of pot) are particularly damaging. More, less, or equal to pregnant at 16?
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 22, 2016 17:05:17 GMT -5
My Dad is going through chemo. He is 76 and retired, so no work issues. When we were visiting over Xmas break, some of my relatives have him a couple bags. It will not be the first time he has had some.
My mom wanted to make brownies. At my previous job we did a lot of plant extractions, so I did some research and showed my mom what to do. My kids (all over 21) were there. They had some brownies. I did not due to random drug testing.
I have also let my kids consume alcohol in my presence when they were in college but under 21. This was in situations where they were NOT driving.
These are things they were already doing. I told them main concern is don't get caught, don't drink and drive and don't use pot if you could be drug tested.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 17:24:53 GMT -5
swamp : What's the law in New York regarding possession of marijuana? Still criminal? Still criminal. Up to an ounce is equivalent to a traffic ticket. Mandatory dismissal for first misdemeanor charge.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 17:27:31 GMT -5
swamp : What's the law in New York regarding possession of marijuana? Still criminal? Still criminal. Up to an ounce is equivalent to a traffic ticket. Mandatory dismissal for first misdemeanor charge. But, one would still have to answer "yes" on a job application if the question is "have you ever been convicted of a crime".
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 17:34:43 GMT -5
I know. But, in this case, the consequences from making a mistake (as to jurisdiction and the legal status of pot) are particularly damaging. More, less, or equal to pregnant at 16? More damaging to get caught with pot. Getting pregnant at 16 is not ideal for anyone -- the parents or the baby. But, that said, it is quite possible to still make a good life for everyone involved and I've never personally seen a job application that screens for sex/pregnancy before marriage. Not the case with drug crimes. As others have mentioned from personal experience/knowledge, one mistake with drugs will follow one to the grave. Although, if that teenage pregnancy results in a conviction of the father (I've never seen teenage mothers charged with sex offenses) and registration on a sex offender list...then, teenage pregnancy is more damaging. (We, unfortunately, have a couple of close extended family members who became teen parents. Observing those challenges first hand has been a far better life lesson than I could ever give my kids with respect to sex.)
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 17:43:09 GMT -5
My Dad is going through chemo. He is 76 and retired, so no work issues. When we were visiting over Xmas break, some of my relatives have him a couple bags. It will not be the first time he has had some. My mom wanted to make brownies. At my previous job we did a lot of plant extractions, so I did some research and showed my mom what to do. My kids (all over 21) were there. They had some brownies. I did not due to random drug testing. I have also let my kids consume alcohol in my presence when they were in college but under 21. This was in situations where they were NOT driving.
These are things they were already doing. I told them main concern is don't get caught, don't drink and drive and don't use pot if you could be drug tested. I come from a large Irish Catholic family. Alcohol is at every family function -- in abundance. When each of my kids turned 16, I started allowing them to have a beer at family functions under the supervision of all of the adults in the family. We didn't make it a big deal, we just gave them an opportunity to learn how it feels to be buzzed and how alcohol impacts their behavior. They, of course, were not allowed to drive or be otherwise stupid. I have not allowed them to have pot in any form, just because it is not as readily available in my family as alcohol is. I'm not naive, or stupid, or shoving my head into the sand. I've had theoretical discussions about drug use with my kids for years. They play competitive sports, however, so neither was particularly drawn to pot in high school and so I never had to think about it beyond the general topic. I was genuinely surprised how available it now seems to be on some college campuses. I expected alcohol to be so because one can walk into just about any grocery or convenience store and openly buy it on the spot. Buying pot takes a little more surreptitious behavior to score.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 18:19:49 GMT -5
Still criminal. Up to an ounce is equivalent to a traffic ticket. Mandatory dismissal for first misdemeanor charge. But, one would still have to answer "yes" on a job application if the question is "have you ever been convicted of a crime If you got convicted of a crime, yes. If you get a dismissal on the first charge, no.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 18:22:34 GMT -5
Other collateral consequences of a marihuana conviction:
no federal financial aid for a year. No entrance into Canada cannot become a border patrol agent cannot become a NYS corrections officer or NYS trooper. Cannot enroll in armed services.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 18:28:27 GMT -5
I've known kids here to get it expunged to join service... Does that sound right?
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 19:39:13 GMT -5
Can't expunge in NY.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Feb 22, 2016 19:55:27 GMT -5
Utah is pretty strict, too.
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