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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 8:24:24 GMT -5
Hopefully it is legal in the entire USA in 20 years when I retire cuz I'm gonna smoke a big fatty to celebrate. If not I'll get a medical card. I may or may not have smoked occasionally many years ago but the reason I don't now is what it could do to my career. Pot is nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol, I may or may not know from experience. What does that mean? I keep hearing/reading that... what is that a euphemism for? I assume it's a euphemism... Well, I don't think anyone has ever died from a weed overdose, but college kids are keeling over all the time from alcohol poisoning.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5
But, in talking to YDS and his friends, they're of the (mistaken?) belief that pot is no longer a big deal either from a drug abuse point of view or a law enforcement point of view
My brother knows a few people who got fired for smoking pot while working. They figured "it's legal they can't fire me!" My brother was like "Umm. .. yes they can it's still illegal under federal law and your employer has every right to tell you not to smoke while on the clock"
Morons.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 22, 2016 10:00:28 GMT -5
and what do you tell your kids when they ask if you ever partook?
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Post by giramomma on Feb 22, 2016 10:09:49 GMT -5
and what do you tell your kids when they ask if you ever partook? Ummm, the truth? Why is this even a question?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 22, 2016 10:11:23 GMT -5
and what do you tell your kids when they ask if you ever partook? Ummm, the truth? Why is this even a question? Because of 'the ?' I added to the end of the sentence.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 22, 2016 10:27:52 GMT -5
Ummm, the truth? Why is this even a question? Because of 'the ?' I added to the end of the sentence. Thanks. I needed the giggle. Seriously, though. My oldest knows addiction runs in the family, so it would be in his best interest to stay away from anything that could potentially be addictive. He hasn't directly asked if we've drank underage, yet, but knows I drank in college. The kids know I tried smoking regular cigs once when I was feeling all bad-assed. (I know, I'm lame.) They know DH and I lived together before we were engaged. DD1 even asked me how many boyfriends I had before DH. Infront of MIL. DS knows we are expecting him to experiment at some time during his teen years. He knows that he will have to face the consequences of his choices, but we'll be there for him. My middle child is 8, and I'll expect that we'll have the same discussions soon. I'd rather talk about these things alot now, when it's not important to them, then when they've already been partaking in the behavior..then it's too late. My oldest is in 6th grade. Shits coming down faster than we can anticipate.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 22, 2016 10:31:20 GMT -5
and what do you tell your kids when they ask if you ever partook? Ummm, the truth? Why is this even a question? Because some people think that telling your children a simply truth is not the thing to do.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 22, 2016 10:32:57 GMT -5
Ummm, the truth? Why is this even a question? Because some people think that telling your children a simply truth is not the thing to do. show me one parent that never lies to their kids and I will show you a Presidential candidate that never lies to the voting public.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2016 11:54:43 GMT -5
If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something stupid, get stoned. However If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something truly amazing stupid, you will have to get drunk. IDK, anything that impairs your ability to make sound judgements seems like it could (under the right circumstances) put you into a dangerous situation. Especially if you are with a group of people all who are 'impaired'.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2016 11:56:14 GMT -5
What does that mean? I keep hearing/reading that... what is that a euphemism for? I assume it's a euphemism... Well, I don't think anyone has ever died from a weed overdose, but college kids are keeling over all the time from alcohol poisoning. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:39:49 GMT -5
If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something stupid, get stoned. However If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something truly amazing stupid, you will have to get drunk. IDK, anything that impairs your ability to make sound judgements seems like it could (under the right circumstances) put you into a dangerous situation. Especially if you are with a group of people all who are 'impaired'.
Different kind of impairments. It's like 'you stepped on my toe! Mother*%$:&... I'm gonna mess you up' vs... 'Seriously guys, have you seen my fingernails.... My fingernails are so cool...'
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:41:47 GMT -5
IDK, anything that impairs your ability to make sound judgements seems like it could (under the right circumstances) put you into a dangerous situation. Especially if you are with a group of people all who are 'impaired'.
Different kind of impairments. It's like 'you stepped on my toe! Mother*%$:&... I'm gonna mess you up' vs... 'Seriously guys, have you seen my fingernails.... My fingernails are so cool...' Yeah, what's that old joke? The drunk runs the stop signs, the stoned guy sits and waits for it to turn green.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:53:04 GMT -5
If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something stupid, get stoned. However If you want to lose your inhibitions to do something truly amazing stupid, you will have to get drunk. IDK, anything that impairs your ability to make sound judgements seems like it could (under the right circumstances) put you into a dangerous situation. Especially if you are with a group of people all who are 'impaired'.
I think if a person has spent time with people that are drunks and stoners you can see the difference. Weed for the most part (and in all my experiences around people doing it) mellows people out, alcohol impacts people differently, if you have ever been around a violent drunk it is something you want to forget.
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Post by swamp on Feb 22, 2016 12:53:10 GMT -5
In 20 years of practicing criminal law, I have never seen someone get stoned and go on some kind of rampage where people get hurt/die/property is damaged.
I've seen plenty of drunk, coked up, or tweaking people do it, though.
K2/Spice is pretty messed up too. They call it synthetic marijuana, but it's nothing close to it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2016 12:55:43 GMT -5
I had a friend who wanted to ship synthetic marijuana to my house b/c it is alleged legal in Iowa (I have not looked into this) but not where she lives. She'd pick it up from my house. Uhh .. hell no!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 13:25:13 GMT -5
swamp: What's the law in New York regarding possession of marijuana? Still criminal?
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2016 13:50:24 GMT -5
IDK, anything that impairs your ability to make sound judgements seems like it could (under the right circumstances) put you into a dangerous situation. Especially if you are with a group of people all who are 'impaired'.
I think if a person has spent time with people that are drunks and stoners you can see the difference. Weed for the most part (and in all my experiences around people doing it) mellows people out, alcohol impacts people differently, if you have ever been around a violent drunk it is something you want to forget. OK. I've mostly been around people with drinking problems - lots of high functioning alcoholics and/or the kind that like to get "mellow" every weekend. Doesn't seem particularly dangerous to me for a person to be shit faced 3 or 4 nights a week. The violence is mostly in the screaming mad and flailing about category - if it gets to that.
No one's ever been seriously hurt - and a few minor run ins with the law over the decades... mostly just a lot of 'broken promises' and "not really doing a lot with one's life" going on... --- I guess it's ok if you don't mind spending most to all of your free time "hanging out" - ie drinking (and I would imagine smoking weed would do something the same).
Even though the alocohol appears mostly benign it's still a lot of mental/emotional wear and tear on the people who have to be around the 'impaired' person. I'd suspect a serious weed habit would be in the same vein.
This were I get my "confusion" over how weed isn't as dangerous as alcohol.... seems like you'd still be sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing which if it gets to be every weekend and a couple of weeknights... it's probably sucking up a lot of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 14:03:49 GMT -5
I think if a person has spent time with people that are drunks and stoners you can see the difference. Weed for the most part (and in all my experiences around people doing it) mellows people out, alcohol impacts people differently, if you have ever been around a violent drunk it is something you want to forget. OK. I've mostly been around people with drinking problems - lots of high functioning alcoholics and/or the kind that like to get "mellow" every weekend. Doesn't seem particularly dangerous to me for a person to be shit faced 3 or 4 nights a week. The violence is mostly in the screaming mad and flailing about category - if it gets to that.
No one's ever been seriously hurt - and a few minor run ins with the law over the decades... mostly just a lot of 'broken promises' and "not really doing a lot with one's life" going on... --- I guess it's ok if you don't mind spending most to all of your free time "hanging out" - ie drinking (and I would imagine smoking weed would do something the same).
Even though the alocohol appears mostly benign it's still a lot of mental/emotional wear and tear on the people who have to be around the 'impaired' person. I'd suspect a serious weed habit would be in the same vein.
This were I get my "confusion" over how weed isn't as dangerous as alcohol.... seems like you'd still be sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing which if it gets to be every weekend and a couple of weeknights... it's probably sucking up a lot of time.
Well, if sucking up time is dangerous, you can count damn near anything you don't think is important and that's subjective. When I say "dangerous" I mean physically harmful. My uncle was the quietest, nicest, most functioning alcoholic around. He died of cirrhosis in his 40's. Plus, overall those impaired by alcohol don't seem to be aware of the degree they're impaired...hence all the deaths behind the wheel. People that are high are very aware to the point of being paranoid about it.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 22, 2016 14:16:20 GMT -5
It's "dangerous" if you ever want to be productive in your life. DH's cousin is a habitual user and has never held a better job than dishwasher. He didn't have many useful brain cells to begin with and he's stoned those all into uselessness at this point. (early/mid 30s) DH did drive his car into a tree in his own backyard in his teens, I have serious doubts he was drunk but I'm pretty sure he was high. Thankfully it was a small yard and he couldn't build up any speed.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 22, 2016 14:53:23 GMT -5
It's "dangerous" if you ever want to be productive in your life. DH's cousin is a habitual user and has never held a better job than dishwasher. He didn't have many useful brain cells to begin with and he's stoned those all into uselessness at this point. (early/mid 30s) DH did drive his car into a tree in his own backyard in his teens, I have serious doubts he was drunk but I'm pretty sure he was high. Thankfully it was a small yard and he couldn't build up any speed. Sorry but that struck my funny bone. But then again it could have been a VW hitting a 200 yr. old oak tree!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 22, 2016 15:03:12 GMT -5
It's "dangerous" if you ever want to be productive in your life. DH's cousin is a habitual user and has never held a better job than dishwasher. He didn't have many useful brain cells to begin with and he's stoned those all into uselessness at this point. (early/mid 30s) DH did drive his car into a tree in his own backyard in his teens, I have serious doubts he was drunk but I'm pretty sure he was high. Thankfully it was a small yard and he couldn't build up any speed. I saw a lot of this when I started my first job. I became friends with some habitual users, and they couldn't understand why I refused most of the time. I was at my first job in a new lab, and needed every single one of my brain cells firing correctly and I needed to show up bright eyed and bushy tailed in the morning. Smoking (or drinking too much) really didn't work with this. It was more important for me to get out of the hell hole that I was living in. Screwing up my first foot in the door wasn't going to happen.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 22, 2016 15:06:24 GMT -5
It's "dangerous" if you ever want to be productive in your life. DH's cousin is a habitual user and has never held a better job than dishwasher. He didn't have many useful brain cells to begin with and he's stoned those all into uselessness at this point. (early/mid 30s) DH did drive his car into a tree in his own backyard in his teens, I have serious doubts he was drunk but I'm pretty sure he was high. Thankfully it was a small yard and he couldn't build up any speed. Sorry but that struck my funny bone. But then again it could have been a VW hitting a 200 yr. old oak tree!! There are people with lots of acreage, he could have really built up some speed!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 15:38:53 GMT -5
So, even if pot is not as "dangerous" as alcohol, and not a gateway drug, its use is still a crime in much of the country.
We are sending mixed messages to teenagers.
As a parent, it is a lot easier to say "it's a crime" than to say "it's not a crime here, but is a crime there, and the feds think it is criminal even when it is not under state law".
I can think of no other activity that has such a confusing legal landscape.
Okay, mixed race marriages and bestiality used to, but, neither of those is an apples to apples comparison.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 22, 2016 15:42:24 GMT -5
Not to mention if you get hurt on a job and they do drug test - there goes WC in most cases. Not sure what the new guidelines are but it used to be that way.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 22, 2016 15:53:28 GMT -5
So, even if pot is not as "dangerous" as alcohol, and not a gateway drug, its use is still a crime in much of the country. We are sending mixed messages to teenagers. As a parent, it is a lot easier to say "it's a crime" than to say "it's not a crime here, but is a crime there, and the feds think it is criminal even when it is not under state law". I can think of no other activity that has such a confusing legal landscape. Okay, mixed race marriages and bestiality used to, but, neither of those is an apples to apples comparison. how about what Edward Snowden is going through.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 22, 2016 15:55:17 GMT -5
... We are sending mixed messages to teenagers. ... And if we take the time to explain each of those messages well, I think they can cope. I mean, it isn't the only area of their lives that they get mixed messages.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 15:59:22 GMT -5
So, even if pot is not as "dangerous" as alcohol, and not a gateway drug, its use is still a crime in much of the country. We are sending mixed messages to teenagers. As a parent, it is a lot easier to say "it's a crime" than to say "it's not a crime here, but is a crime there, and the feds think it is criminal even when it is not under state law". I can think of no other activity that has such a confusing legal landscape. Okay, mixed race marriages and bestiality used to, but, neither of those is an apples to apples comparison. how about what Edward Snowden is going through. Are you trying to confuse my kids even further?? Were you ever a teenage boy? Maybe my kids are weird, but, they are more likely to drink or smoke pot these days than to leak millions of pages of classified documents. If I use Snowden as an example, my kids will never listen to another life lesson from me for as long as I live.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 22, 2016 16:03:20 GMT -5
... We are sending mixed messages to teenagers. ... And if we take the time to explain each of those messages well, I think they can cope. I mean, it isn't the only area of their lives that they get mixed messages. I know. But, in this case, the consequences from making a mistake (as to jurisdiction and the legal status of pot) are particularly damaging.
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Post by milee on Feb 22, 2016 16:03:59 GMT -5
Not to mention if you get hurt on a job and they do drug test - there goes WC in most cases. Not sure what the new guidelines are but it used to be that way. Not so in either Florida or Arizona.
An employee can be stoned out of his gourd and still get paid benefits under WC, which means the employer's cost for WC insurance goes up if the employer uses WC insurance or the employer pays directly for all those WC expenses if the employer is self-insured.
An employee can be stoned out of his gourd even if it's strictly against company policy that the employee signed and is aware of and still get paid benefits under WC, which means the employer's cost for WC insurance goes up if the employer uses WC insurance or the employer pays directly for all those WC expenses if the employer is self-insured.
An employee can be stoned out of his gourd even if it's strictly against company policy that the employee signed and is aware of and the employer is physically chasing the employee down telling him not to get high and the employee does it anyway and still get paid benefits under WC, which means the employer's cost for WC insurance goes up if the employer uses WC insurance or the employer pays directly for all those WC expenses if the employer is self-insured.
In other words - no matter how dumb the employee is, no matter how the employer tries to prevent it, no matter what... the employer pays.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 22, 2016 16:04:27 GMT -5
And if we take the time to explain each of those messages well, I think they can cope. I mean, it isn't the only area of their lives that they get mixed messages. I know. But, in this case, the consequences from making a mistake (as to jurisdiction and the legal status of pot) are particularly damaging. yeah, like becoming President. (I shudder to think)
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