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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Feb 13, 2016 14:58:11 GMT -5
A lot of people with records get work as a cook or in a kitchen somewhere
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Post by Shooby on Feb 13, 2016 22:07:23 GMT -5
It seemed like in times past people could move and start over if they made a mistake and/or paid their debt to society. Now with the internet those people never have much of a chance. Maybe it's one strike and you are out. Is that a good or bad thing for society.
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Post by CCL on Feb 13, 2016 22:43:49 GMT -5
I thought background checks only went back like 7 years? But don't job applications still ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime? Every job I ever applied for did and didn't mention a time limit.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 14, 2016 5:46:13 GMT -5
As well as rental applications.
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 14, 2016 8:59:30 GMT -5
Probably loyal since she most likely benefited financially over the years from his criminal behavior ?? I really doubt he got any money out of it. He worked for a small business whose main customer was military. The purchasing money was asking for payoff to even be considered. The purchasing agent was the one getting money. His wife is still working as dental assistant so they can pay bills and keep the house for now. They don't have a big house - they lived next to me! My house is bigger than theirs and is about to sell for $115,000.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 14, 2016 9:05:37 GMT -5
Probably loyal since she most likely benefited financially over the years from his criminal behavior ?? I really doubt he got any money out of it. He worked for a small business whose main customer was military. The purchasing money was asking for payoff to even be considered. The purchasing agent was the one getting money. His wife is still working as dental assistant so they can pay bills and keep the house for now. They don't have a big house - they lived next to me! My house is bigger than theirs and is about to sell for $115,000. Well, it sucks to be the one stupid enough not to get any reward from their illegal actions
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 14, 2016 9:37:54 GMT -5
before anyone asks, this is NOT for me. what kind of jobs could one seek out without a clean CORI? thanks in advance As Swamp said, it depends on the crime and how long ago, but it also depends on the type of job, the disposition of the offense and the state in which they are applying. Some states cannot use records beyond a certain number of years, even if it is a conviction. If the offense was anything but a conviction, most state laws dictate the perspective employers are disallowed from using it. And even certain aspects of the potential job, such as the salary level, may determine whether or not the information can be used.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 14, 2016 10:30:23 GMT -5
okay, so the observation of his having been railroaded was mine from hearing about the timeline. he is absolutely smart enough to know not to present it that way to a potential employer, but he is also quite jaded from having put in some time apprenticing only to be told that he is ineligible for that license because of his record. the offense on record is technically nonviolent, but has other implications anyway. please read between the lines, I'm not going to spell it out. but as I said, it was almost 18 years ago and there isn't anything else more serious than a speeding ticket or two over those years. thank you all for the suggestions. I think we'll be talking later today, I will include y'alls input to our conversation.
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Post by Opti on Feb 14, 2016 10:40:46 GMT -5
okay, so the observation of his having been railroaded was mine from hearing about the timeline. he is absolutely smart enough to know not to present it that way to a potential employer, but he is also quite jaded from having put in some time apprenticing only to be told that he is ineligible for that license because of his record.
... I hope he spoke to other people in that trade. Whoever he apprenticed to might have told him that because they wanted keep him as an employee instead of a competitor.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 14, 2016 10:43:43 GMT -5
okay, so the observation of his having been railroaded was mine from hearing about the timeline. he is absolutely smart enough to know not to present it that way to a potential employer, but he is also quite jaded from having put in some time apprenticing only to be told that he is ineligible for that license because of his record.
... I hope he spoke to other people in that trade. Whoever he apprenticed to might have told him that because they wanted keep him as an employee instead of a competitor. the state office that issues licenses....?
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Post by Opti on Feb 14, 2016 10:47:21 GMT -5
I hope he spoke to other people in that trade. Whoever he apprenticed to might have told him that because they wanted keep him as an employee instead of a competitor. the state office that issues licenses....? Thanks for clarifying. You never said how he found out and what, if anything, he did to pursue that license. Did he apply and get rejected?
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Post by milee on Feb 14, 2016 10:47:30 GMT -5
It's good that he knows not to talk about being railroaded.
If the offense is nonviolent but with other implications, here are my guesses and recommendations:
Drug - it's been long enough without a recurrence that most employers would be able to see he's probably not a continuing addict. Plus, many people think drugs should be legalized. So he might have good luck with being proactive in bringing it up. Might not be a big deal at all to many employers.
Financial/embezzlement/fraud - that is a toughie. Especially since auditors will tell you that people who have embezzled or committed fraud are likely to do it again. No matter how old that conviction is, he shouldn't look for work in finance or anywhere he'll have access to cash or records. If he's personable and articulate, he might be able to use his past to create an alternate career in writing about fraud and how to prevent it, speaking at conventions and/or doing financial fraud detection training. Plenty of ex-fraudsters now consult for employers, auditors and financial professionals about how to prevent it.
Sexual offense - very, very tough in today's environment. Even if it was an underage BF/GF thing where it was consensual but the other party was a minor so legally unable to give consent, it is going to be tough to get an employer to ignore. Any chance he has ideas about starting his own business? Although employers do background checks of employees they hire, it's pretty rare for a customer of a business to do a background check on the owner of even a small business. He'll still need to think about the type of business, though, since he will probably want some sort of business liability insurance at some point and depending on the business he might not be able to get liability insurance for certain types of work.
In general, if he wants a job he should focus on smaller, independent employers who are less likely to have hard and fast policies, rules and HR process. Smaller employers are less likely to do background checks and may also be more flexible about exceptions or second chances.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2016 10:49:09 GMT -5
I have nephew who is 25 has degree in finance and MBA. He also has at least 2 DUIs. No driver license. He was working as a mover but think he just got a job selling life insurance over the phone. My former neighbor is in Federal prison for paying off a purchasing agent in federal govt. Not sure of exact charge. He worked for a manufacturing company and got caught up in a scam run by the purchasing agent who was asking for bribes. He will get out this year. He is in early 50s. Not sure what he will do. His wife is working and they own their house and can survive on her income. Doubt that he will be able to get any job in the small city they live in because everyone knows about it. That's one loyal wife I know someone who went to prison for shaking his three-month old daughter to death. His wife stayed with him. She had/has all the courage and self-confidence of a door mat.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 14, 2016 10:56:37 GMT -5
the state office that issues licenses....? Thanks for clarifying. You never said how he found out and what, if anything, he did to pursue that license. Did he apply and get rejected? ah, sorry. I thought I had said that. I'm deliberately leaving out quite a bit of detail, my bad.
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Post by milee on Feb 14, 2016 10:58:30 GMT -5
If he apprenticed in a trade for years and can't practice that trade directly because his record prevents him from being licensed, there may be other ways to use those skills that don't require a license. He should think about being creative with those skills. Examples:
If he apprenticed as a carpenter, he can't be licensed to do carpentry for a direct customer, but his skills would be a great fit for furniture making, mobile home manufacturing (it's done in large plants that look like auto assembly lines) or handyman services.
If he apprenticed as an electrician, he may not be able to be a licensed electrician, but he'd probably be a great test tech for a company that assembles electronics or as a maintenance tech for a large plant.
If he apprenticed as a plumber, he can't be a licensed plumber, but might have an advantage at one of the places that manufactures pipe and fittings, or as a salesperson at a plumbing supply house or again, as the guy in charge of maintenance at a facility like the water purification plant.
Just because he can't be a licensed ______ doesn't mean his ______ skills are useless.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 14, 2016 11:33:46 GMT -5
Also, a lot of people can work "supervised." An attorney I know who embezzled from a clients trust had to be supervised for a year. So he worked out if another attorney's office.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 15, 2016 11:40:00 GMT -5
okay, so the observation of his having been railroaded was mine from hearing about the timeline. he is absolutely smart enough to know not to present it that way to a potential employer, but he is also quite jaded from having put in some time apprenticing only to be told that he is ineligible for that license because of his record. the offense on record is technically nonviolent, but has other implications anyway. please read between the lines, I'm not going to spell it out. but as I said, it was almost 18 years ago and there isn't anything else more serious than a speeding ticket or two over those years. thank you all for the suggestions. I think we'll be talking later today, I will include y'alls input to our conversation. Chiver, given the amount of time that has passed, and since his record since then has been basically clean...would this person consider applying to the courts for an expungement? It costs money and takes time, but he might get it. Once this was accomplished, it would not be a record that could ever be used against him by anyone.
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Post by seriousthistime on Feb 15, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 12:51:41 GMT -5
Manufacturing. My ex has never had an issue getting a good paying job and I know the manufacturing company I work for has people who are on the work release program from jail where they are allowed out just to come here.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2016 13:25:45 GMT -5
seriousthistime - thanks for the link, I'm definitely going to point him that way.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2016 13:48:41 GMT -5
ya know, he used to plow. there's something about the truck he has now, I don't think he *could* attach a plow to it. but if he could find a beater heavy duty truck for short money, that's another great idea. thank you!
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Post by clexie on Feb 16, 2016 0:29:10 GMT -5
I would encourage him to try and get the record expunged. My friend was in a similar situation and she pursued an expungement by herself. She did not use an attorney. I wrote her a good character letter (she is awesome so I had no issues singing her praises,) and her boss at the time also wrote a letter in support. I and her family went to court for moral support but it seemed pretty easy and they granted it to her. She now works in job where she wouldn't have been able to before so it definitely worked out for her.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 16, 2016 8:40:53 GMT -5
I would encourage him to try and get the record expunged. My friend was in a similar situation and she pursued an expungement by herself. She did not use an attorney. I wrote her a good character letter (she is awesome so I had no issues singing her praises,) and her boss at the time also wrote a letter in support. I and her family went to court for moral support but it seemed pretty easy and they granted it to her. She now works in job where she wouldn't have been able to before so it definitely worked out for her. would you feel comfortable sharing more detail via pm? I'd like to know more about how the process works, how long it takes, etc. if not, I totally understand. thanks in advance!
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Post by Peace77 on Feb 18, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -5
Just came across this website that lists 137 companies that will hire felons:
jobsthathirefelons.org
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 18, 2016 13:15:14 GMT -5
It seemed like in times past people could move and start over if they made a mistake and/or paid their debt to society. Now with the internet those people never have much of a chance. Maybe it's one strike and you are out. Is that a good or bad thing for society. As long as I remember, any job application I have filled out since the mid 1970s has asked if I had any felony convictions. I don't see how this is something that is relatively 'new' due to the internet. Now, the internet has made it easier to determine whether or not someone lied on their application. But from what I understand, lying on job application is usually grounds for immediate dismissal.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 18, 2016 13:26:31 GMT -5
Just came across this website that lists 137 companies that will hire felons: jobsthathirefelons.org interesting. will have to check that out when I'm not on the work network.
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Post by resolution on Feb 18, 2016 13:38:40 GMT -5
It seemed like in times past people could move and start over if they made a mistake and/or paid their debt to society. Now with the internet those people never have much of a chance. Maybe it's one strike and you are out. Is that a good or bad thing for society. As long as I remember, any job application I have filled out since the mid 1970s has asked if I had any felony convictions. I don't see how this is something that is relatively 'new' due to the internet. Now, the internet has made it easier to determine whether or not someone lied on their application. But from what I understand, lying on job application is usually grounds for immediate dismissal. My work place has gotten progressively stricter over the years. We used to ask about convictions but make a case by case decision on whether we would hire them. Then later we changed to not hiring them at all, and then at some point we did background checks on all our employees and let go the people that had previous convictions, even if we knew about them when they were hired. DH's employer will still hire people with convictions, if they are willing to work hard.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2016 14:00:29 GMT -5
I am just saying there is a lot of lip service to 2nd chances in life but reality not so much. I think we used to believe that if someone served their time then it was pretty much over. Now if u called someone a poo poo head in 5th grade it will follow u forever. lol
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Post by Shooby on Feb 18, 2016 14:02:13 GMT -5
But yeah as an employer why hire anyone who has been arrested for anything?
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 18, 2016 18:14:21 GMT -5
But yeah as an employer why hire anyone who has been arrested for anything? Because: just because you have been arrested does not mean you have been convicted. There ARE people out there who have been arrested who are totally innocent.
Or because they have the skills you need and they are willing to work hard and not re-offend.
Or because *sometimes* there really IS redemption. And it comes in the form of someone who is willing to give another someone a chance.
Or because some employers are not totally judgmental and heartless.
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