job searching with restrictions

[chiver78]

before anyone asks, this is NOT for me.

what kind of jobs could one seek out without a clean CORI?

thanks in advance

[TheHaitian]

Feb 12, 2016 21:59:45 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Maybe I should know or could think about it, but what is a CORI?

clean.......

Criminal Offender Record Information

www.mass.gov/eopss/crime-prev-personal-sfty/bkgd-check/cori/

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Offender_Record_Information

[TheHaitian]

Feb 12, 2016 21:54:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

before anyone asks, this is NOT for me.

what kind of jobs could one seek out without a clean CORI?

thanks in advance

I think it all depend on the "crime".

In retail we have hired people without a clean CORI as long as they were honest about it in their job obligation and listed it on their background check for.

Off the the top of my head I hired people with:
- theft but they could never run a register as a condition of their employment
- assault
- DUI's
Etc.

[swamp]

Depends on how unclean and how long ago.  

I know doctors, lawyers, accountant, teachers, nurses, pharmacists, corrections officres  with criminal convictions.  Mostly DWIs. 

[Deleted]

Feb 12, 2016 22:05:51 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

Feb 12, 2016 21:54:54 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

before anyone asks, this is NOT for me.

what kind of jobs could one seek out without a clean CORI?

thanks in advance

I think it all depend on the "crime".

In retail we have hired people without a clean CORI as long as they were honest about it in their job obligation and listed it on their background check for.

Off the the top of my head I hired people with:
- theft but they could never run a register as a condition of their employment
- assault
- DUI's
Etc.

There are some people working in some of our cafes who have records, one is a very recent release and reports to a parole officer.

There was one who did neglect to mention that he is on the sex offender registry but a baker knew him through his cousin and he got his ass fired as he is not supposed to be around minors. Numbnut.

[giramomma]

Trades. Welding. DH's cousin has a record and found employment as a welder. Heck, even a registered sex offender and felon found employment as a welder..

Otherwise I'd look at the industries that typically hire improperly documented workers. In our state it's farming, construction, and hospitality. Sometimes fast food. If an employer is willing to hire someone without the proper documentation, I would think they might give someone with a record a chance.

[gregintenn]

Any sort of construction. As long as you'll show up and work, all you have to be is on this side of the bars.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Possibly manufacturing... I used to work nightshift in a manufacturing plant and we had a lot of people there with issues (mostly alcohol and drug related).  

We had a few people with theft convictions, DUIs, assaults, sex offenders, etc.  Surprisingly, the one on the sex offender registry was one of the nicer ones that I felt safe with (I was a naive 19 year old at the time).  I found out later, when randomly searching our state's Megan's Law registry.  I don't know what his situation was but the other guys were far creepier and one even tried to molest me (He grabbed me and started trying to kiss my neck) but the one that seemed the safest was the one with the record.

We had one guy who was in jail for the death of his child and came to work on work-release. He would go to work at night and get taken back to jail in the AM.

We had many that seemed to be on drugs or drink a lot.  One that was obviously on something ended up getting canned when he got hurt at work and failed the drug test (Popped for meth).  I wasn't surprised (He was always high energy, even at 3 AM).  He was a good employee but that was the meth fueling his performance..  

[Sharon]

Feb 12, 2016 22:33:37 GMT -5 gregintenn said:

Any sort of construction. As long as you'll show up and work, all you have to be is on this side of the bars.

That may be how it used to be and in some instances perhaps still this way.  Family members of mine work in the trades and to work on some jobs they have to pass federal background checks.  This is seemingly a post 9/11 thing.  If you are going to work on any type of federal facility you have to have these checks. 

Other type of companies require that people coming in and doing work in the facility have to show they have passed a drug test.

[resolution]

A lot of trades and manufacturing will hire anyone that is willing to work. Major thing is they have to be willing to do the work.

[cranberry]

I know of someone with a criminal background who works in a fast food restaurant.

[alabamagal]

I have nephew who is 25 has degree in finance and MBA. He also has at least 2 DUIs. No driver license. He was working as a mover but think he just got a job selling life insurance over the phone.

My former neighbor is in Federal prison for paying off a purchasing agent in federal govt. Not sure of exact charge. He worked for a manufacturing company and got caught up in a scam run by the purchasing agent who was asking for bribes. He will get out this year. He is in early 50s. Not sure what he will do. His wife is working and they own their house and can survive on her income. Doubt that he will be able to get any job in the small city they live in because everyone knows about it.

[zibazinski]

Feb 13, 2016 6:53:31 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

I have nephew who is 25 has degree in finance and MBA. He also has at least 2 DUIs. No driver license. He was working as a mover but think he just got a job selling life insurance over the phone.

My former neighbor is in Federal prison for paying off a purchasing agent in federal govt. Not sure of exact charge. He worked for a manufacturing company and got caught up in a scam run by the purchasing agent who was asking for bribes. He will get out this year. He is in early 50s. Not sure what he will do. His wife is working and they own their house and can survive on her income. Doubt that he will be able to get any job in the small city they live in because everyone knows about it.

That's one loyal wife

[NoNamePerson]

Feb 13, 2016 7:00:47 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Feb 13, 2016 6:53:31 GMT -5 alabamagal said:

I have nephew who is 25 has degree in finance and MBA. He also has at least 2 DUIs. No driver license. He was working as a mover but think he just got a job selling life insurance over the phone.

My former neighbor is in Federal prison for paying off a purchasing agent in federal govt. Not sure of exact charge. He worked for a manufacturing company and got caught up in a scam run by the purchasing agent who was asking for bribes. He will get out this year. He is in early 50s. Not sure what he will do. His wife is working and they own their house and can survive on her income. Doubt that he will be able to get any job in the small city they live in because everyone knows about it.

That's one loyal wife

Probably loyal since she most likely benefited financially over the years from his criminal behavior??

[zibazinski]

Ooh. Yup. Probably. Maybe has some nice cash stashed somewhere.

[chiver78]

oh wow, no ankle bracelets here.    the incident in question was almost 20 years ago, no trouble since then. after hearing the entire story about it, it seems like this person was hosed in the line of a successful District Attorney election, but that's beside the point now.

as far as things already explored - this person had apprenticed with a tradesman for a number of years, only to find out that he was ineligible to become a licensed tradesman himself b/c he wouldn't pass a CORI check. thanks for the suggestions, I'll make sure to bring them up the next time we talk.

[973beachbum]

I know an engineer who has a criminal record.  I don't know all the details but their record includes a DUI and something to do with drugs.  I think the worst of the felonies came after they were an engineer with a job.  I don't know how or why but they didn't even lose their job and are still working as an engineer years later.  I will say that in all the time I have known him he has been a tea totaler.

Who knows maybe they spent money on a good lawyer.  I will say that at most of this was a like 20 years ago so maybe the laws were different then too.

[973beachbum]

Feb 13, 2016 9:43:38 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

oh wow, no ankle bracelets here.    the incident in question was almost 20 years ago, no trouble since then. after hearing the entire story about it, it seems like this person was hosed in the line of a successful District Attorney election, but that's beside the point now.

as far as things already explored - this person had apprenticed with a tradesman for a number of years, only to find out that he was ineligible to become a licensed tradesman himself b/c he wouldn't pass a CORI check. thanks for the suggestions, I'll make sure to bring them up the next time we talk.

If it has been that long and they haven't done anything criminal since then can they get it expunged?

[TheHaitian]

I thought background checks only went back like 7 years?

[chiver78]

Feb 13, 2016 9:50:10 GMT -5 973beachbum said:

Feb 13, 2016 9:43:38 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

oh wow, no ankle bracelets here.    the incident in question was almost 20 years ago, no trouble since then. after hearing the entire story about it, it seems like this person was hosed in the line of a successful District Attorney election, but that's beside the point now.

as far as things already explored - this person had apprenticed with a tradesman for a number of years, only to find out that he was ineligible to become a licensed tradesman himself b/c he wouldn't pass a CORI check. thanks for the suggestions, I'll make sure to bring them up the next time we talk.

If it has been that long and they haven't done anything criminal since then can they get it expunged?

I always thought so, but apparently not without a lot of legal fees - which if this person is exploring all employment options to keep his head above water, probably isn't likely to happen either.

[zibazinski]

Feb 13, 2016 9:57:38 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

I thought background checks only went back like 7 years?

Depends on what you're applying to do.

[973beachbum]

Feb 13, 2016 10:05:42 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Feb 13, 2016 9:50:10 GMT -5 973beachbum said:

If it has been that long and they haven't done anything criminal since then can they get it expunged?

I always thought so, but apparently not without a lot of legal fees - which if this person is exploring all employment options to keep his head above water, probably isn't likely to happen either.

Well I didn't think it would be free.  I knew a lawyer who did these and I think he said charged $500 to do the paper work.  I agree that $500 isn't nothing but if there is anyway it could be found I would probably still pay it.  The difference in pay from a job with it expunged seems like it would more than pay for itself. 

Seriously this is one time I would even get a CC and charge it knowing I would take a while to pay it off  It sounds like he isn't likely to get much above min wage if he doesn't get it expunged.

[ArchietheDragon]

Feb 13, 2016 9:43:38 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

oh wow, no ankle bracelets here.    the incident in question was almost 20 years ago, no trouble since then. after hearing the entire story about it, it seems like this person was hosed in the line of a successful District Attorney election, but that's beside the point now.

as far as things already explored - this person had apprenticed with a tradesman for a number of years, only to find out that he was ineligible to become a licensed tradesman himself b/c he wouldn't pass a CORI check. thanks for the suggestions, I'll make sure to bring them up the next time we talk.

The background check is  not black and white.  Ie, if you have a criminal history you can't get licensed.   There is a board that reviews the license application.   They review the CORI and will either approve or deny based on what they find.   A 20 year old incendent without anything further will likely not be a problem getting approved, unless there is more to the story.

[Opti]

If he does not make much money, perhaps he can try legal aid in his state to help him. He'll still need to pay filing fees, but I agree with Beach, it sounds like CC debt would be worth it in this case. Did he ever try to get licensed?

[Peace77]

I knew one man who worked for a window washing business.  Later, he started his own business.

Another man works as a mechanic.  

A man in NYC opened a smoothie cafe called Fresh start.

[seriousthistime]

Welding is an option.  For the construction worker who can't get licensed, becoming self-employed as a handyman might be an option if continuing in his construction career isn't feasible.  Also, different states have different rules, so he might consider moving to a state where the licensure rules are more lenient. 

If you ever saw The Informant! with Matt Damon, you might remember the character he played:

 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Whitacre

So it could depend on your skill set.  Obviously, with a Ph.D. and conviction for a white collar crime, he was situated differently than someone without much education who was convicted of a street crime or violent felony. 

[milee]

Feb 13, 2016 10:48:22 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Feb 13, 2016 9:43:38 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

oh wow, no ankle bracelets here.    the incident in question was almost 20 years ago, no trouble since then. after hearing the entire story about it, it seems like this person was hosed in the line of a successful District Attorney election, but that's beside the point now.

as far as things already explored - this person had apprenticed with a tradesman for a number of years, only to find out that he was ineligible to become a licensed tradesman himself b/c he wouldn't pass a CORI check. thanks for the suggestions, I'll make sure to bring them up the next time we talk.

The background check is  not black and white.  Ie, if you have a criminal history you can't get licensed.   There is a board that reviews the license application.   They review the CORI and will either approve or deny based on what they find.   A 20 year old incendent without anything further will likely not be a problem getting approved, unless there is more to the story.

This. For most professional type licensing anyway. That's how the CPA board works.

If he asks you, you might want to recommend he focuses on the points that it was 20 years ago and he's had no trouble since then. Not go into a story about a DA election. The DA thing may or may not be true, but anyone who deals with criminal background checks knows that almost every single criminal is "innocent and was railroaded by _______." So he won't score points with that. The licensing boards are looking at the record to see if the behavior indicates a risk of future problems. In this guy's case, the fact that it was 20 years ago and he's been completely clean since then is the key. If he goes into how he was railroaded, it makes him sound like he's denying responsibility and could backfire.

[thyme4change]

Places like this are always looking for people to do sales.  They churn them, but if you can get some work experience on your resume and some productive time between your conviction and your job hunt, it might soften the blow for other professional jobs later.


www.smartcircle.com/

[mojothehelpermonkey]

One of my former stepbrothers went to prison for a (non-DUI) felony conviction when he was barely 19. After he got out, he started working in the construction industry. I think his brother got him his first job. He really wanted to join the military, but that was never going to happen. 
For something 20 years ago, it seems like he should be able to appeal being denied certification, but that's probably not the way it actually works. It's sad how mistakes you make when you are still pretty much a kid can follow you around for the rest of your life.

[giramomma]

What about delivering news papers? Can this person drive? It's not a livable wage, but it's something.