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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 22:11:16 GMT -5
Today in the news- gun rights kill another child. www.postbulletin.com/news/nation/police--year-old-girl-fatally-shot-by--year/article_55750189-e89a-5238-9dde-9caf2c0478ef.htmlPolice say a 3-year-old Alabama boy has accidentally shot and killed his 9-year-old sister. Irondale police Chief Ken Atkinson tells AL.com (http://bit.ly/1nPRJ1B) that the shooting took place Saturday afternoon at their grandparents' house in a Birmingham suburb. He says the boy found a loaded pistol on a bedroom nightstand and shot his sister in the head with it. Another 'accident' At least they were prepared for a home invasion Of course this is everyday in the USA and nobody cares. Today in the news: slanted title for message board post about an article ignores the facts. "gun rights" didn't kill anyone. "Ignorant, foolish, reckless, and irresponsible gun owner allows 3 year old access to loaded gun" did. ETA: and, for the record, people DO care. Responsible people just shouldn't lose their rights because of irresponsible people.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 6, 2016 22:23:13 GMT -5
Today in the news- gun rights kill another child.www.postbulletin.com/news/nation/police--year-old-girl-fatally-shot-by--year/article_55750189-e89a-5238-9dde-9caf2c0478ef.htmlPolice say a 3-year-old Alabama boy has accidentally shot and killed his 9-year-old sister. Irondale police Chief Ken Atkinson tells AL.com (http://bit.ly/1nPRJ1B) that the shooting took place Saturday afternoon at their grandparents' house in a Birmingham suburb. He says the boy found a loaded pistol on a bedroom nightstand and shot his sister in the head with it. Another 'accident' At least they were prepared for a home invasion Of course this is everyday in the USA and nobody cares. That damned murdering constitution!
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Post by Opti on Feb 6, 2016 22:51:43 GMT -5
I agree gun rights did not kill the child. Stupid, careless, grandparents contributed to homicide of a minor. Do you think they should have been charged for a death like this? If so, what would the law be, and what might be the punishment(s)?
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Post by Kolt! on Feb 6, 2016 22:59:21 GMT -5
It's sad that today now when someone gets killed people don't even take a second to mourn. It immediately becomes a roar of "SAVE THE GUNS!" or a roar of "GET RID OF THE GUNS!"
What a terrible thing to happen to the children. The young boy will forever live with knowing he killed his sister. And a young girl died because of the house owner's carelessness. I no way believe this has something to do with guns needing to be taken away for good. This WAS the house owners fault that a young boy was able to get his hands on the gun. Keys should be kept in a different location from a gun and a gun shouldn't even be anywhere near level of a five year old being able to reach it. Crazy.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of all the guns for one nor do I believe they should all be gotten rid of either. However, something has to be done in the united states...considering we keep breaking records year after year of mass shootings. It's becoming one of those ordeals where it's not even a shock factor anymore as it's just something that's been happening.
As to what can be done? I have no clue. So, please don't ask me when I say something needs to be done. =P I honestly, have no proper solution but I do know that Canada and the United Kingdom are not having as many mass shootings as the united states.
So i really don't know what the USA is doing wrong.
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I agree gun rights did not kill the child. Stupid, careless, grandparents contributed to homicide of a minor. Do you think they should have been charged for a death like this? If so, what would the law be, and what might be the punishment(s)?
I think they should be charged with reckless endangerment... I don't know what the punishment for that is though. It probably varies state to state. And... while it wouldn't have any effect on prosecution of this particular case (laws "after the fact" have no force of law on previous acts), I think a new federal law should be passed along the lines of "If a child finds a loaded gun that belongs to an adult and kills or injures someone, that adult is as guilty of the crime as if they had pulled the trigger themself and shall be prosecuted by each individual state as if it were so."
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 9:44:17 GMT -5
I agree gun rights did not kill the child. Stupid, careless, grandparents contributed to homicide of a minor. Do you think they should have been charged for a death like this? If so, what would the law be, and what might be the punishment(s)?
Perhaps reckless endangerment? I'm not a lawyer, and don't know for sure what they should be charged with, but they should be accountable. Posters like Fishy, however, somehow think that as a gun owner, I should be responsible, and should have my guns taken away. This I do not comprehend.
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Post by Opti on Feb 7, 2016 15:55:11 GMT -5
I agree gun rights did not kill the child. Stupid, careless, grandparents contributed to homicide of a minor. Do you think they should have been charged for a death like this? If so, what would the law be, and what might be the punishment(s)?
I think they should be charged with reckless endangerment... I don't know what the punishment for that is though. It probably varies state to state. And... while it wouldn't have any effect on prosecution of this particular case (laws "after the fact" have no force of law on previous acts), I think a new federal law should be passed along the lines of "If a child finds a loaded gun that belongs to an adult and kills or injures someone, that adult is as guilty of the crime as if they had pulled the trigger themself and shall be prosecuted by each individual state as if it were so." This one was particularly bad to me. A loaded gun on top of a nightstand! While grandkids are visiting?
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Post by Opti on Feb 7, 2016 17:08:09 GMT -5
Interesting article which points out some states have safe storage laws for guns which can be limited. I also found something as stupid as Fishy's post about the loaded gun on the nightstand. A loaded gun near a crib which was used by a two year old to accidently kill a 9 month old.
www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
There's an interesting graphic on the accidental shootings that were studied. (Didn't want to post correctly for me. )
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 17:23:02 GMT -5
Interesting article which points out some states have safe storage laws for guns which can be limited. I also found something as stupid as Fishy's post about the loaded gun on the nightstand. A loaded gun near a crib which was used by a two year old to accidently kill a 9 month old.
www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
There's an interesting graphic on the accidental shootings that were studied. (Didn't want to post correctly for me. ) May I ask the point of all this, and how it pertains to the subject brought forth in the OP?
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Post by Opti on Feb 7, 2016 18:03:27 GMT -5
Greg, I know you think I'm a gun basher, but really I'm just someone horribly angry by these shootings of children by children. Fishy's post upset me. I don't hate all parents just because I really am angry at the irresponsible ones who leave their kids in hot cars and they die or become seriously ill.
I may prefer less guns than you do, but I do appreciate those people who are smart enough to teach guns shouldn't be pointed at anyone unless you plan to kill them and get guns can be useful for hunting. What that has to do with how I feel about some guy leaving a loaded gun under a couch with a toddler in the home, well ... I don't get how they are connected.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 18:27:10 GMT -5
Greg, I know you think I'm a gun basher, but really I'm just someone horribly angry by these shootings of children by children. Fishy's post upset me. I don't hate all parents just because I really am angry at the irresponsible ones who leave their kids in hot cars and they die or become seriously ill.
I may prefer less guns than you do, but I do appreciate those people who are smart enough to teach guns shouldn't be pointed at anyone unless you plan to kill them and get guns can be useful for hunting. What that has to do with how I feel about some guy leaving a loaded gun under a couch with a toddler in the home, well ... I don't get how they are connected.
I don't like it either. You think I enjoy reading about dead children? I feel that most here lump me into the same category as these irresponsible asses, and I don't believe that is accurate. Where I live and our way of life here is foreign to most on this forum. I only wish to inform you all that rural people exist, and they exist without the constant overseeing of government. We have to take care of our selves and each other at times. We aren't all in a high rise in downtown wherever. By the way, his grandfather hand built the rifle in the first pic. Guns are a big part of my heritage, and I take offense to the suggestion from anyone who suggests I shouldn't have them.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 7, 2016 19:20:36 GMT -5
Greg, I know you think I'm a gun basher, but really I'm just someone horribly angry by these shootings of children by children. Fishy's post upset me. I don't hate all parents just because I really am angry at the irresponsible ones who leave their kids in hot cars and they die or become seriously ill.
I may prefer less guns than you do, but I do appreciate those people who are smart enough to teach guns shouldn't be pointed at anyone unless you plan to kill them and get guns can be useful for hunting. What that has to do with how I feel about some guy leaving a loaded gun under a couch with a toddler in the home, well ... I don't get how they are connected.
I don't like it either. You think I enjoy reading about dead children? I feel that most here lump me into the same category as these irresponsible asses, and I don't believe that is accurate. Where I live and our way of life here is foreign to most on this forum. I only wish to inform you all that rural people exist, and they exist without the constant overseeing of government. We have to take care of our selves and each other at times. We aren't all in a high rise in downtown wherever. By the way, his grandfather hand built the rifle in the first pic. Guns are a big part of my heritage, and I take offense to the suggestion from anyone who suggests I shouldn't have them. Nobody lumped you in with anybody. Nobody was talking about you. We're all aware rural people exist. We don't need educating in that regard, and we don't all live in high rises downtown, either. Nobody has suggested you not have guns. It's not all about you, greg.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 19:26:30 GMT -5
I don't like it either. You think I enjoy reading about dead children? I feel that most here lump me into the same category as these irresponsible asses, and I don't believe that is accurate. Where I live and our way of life here is foreign to most on this forum. I only wish to inform you all that rural people exist, and they exist without the constant overseeing of government. We have to take care of our selves and each other at times. We aren't all in a high rise in downtown wherever. By the way, his grandfather hand built the rifle in the first pic. Guns are a big part of my heritage, and I take offense to the suggestion from anyone who suggests I shouldn't have them. Nobody lumped you in with anybody. Nobody was talking about you. We're all aware rural people exist. We don't need educating in that regard, and we don't all live in high rises downtown, either. Nobody has suggested you not have guns. It's not all about you, greg. Folks are often trying to make the case for gun control here on the board. Am I not allowed to offer a counter argument to that? When I say me, I'm making the argument for all who are of a like mind as me on the subject. Get over yourself! You do realize that if I'm no longer welcome here, you have the button to make it happen, right?
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Post by Opti on Feb 7, 2016 19:59:05 GMT -5
Greg, I know you think I'm a gun basher, but really I'm just someone horribly angry by these shootings of children by children. Fishy's post upset me. I don't hate all parents just because I really am angry at the irresponsible ones who leave their kids in hot cars and they die or become seriously ill.
I may prefer less guns than you do, but I do appreciate those people who are smart enough to teach guns shouldn't be pointed at anyone unless you plan to kill them and get guns can be useful for hunting. What that has to do with how I feel about some guy leaving a loaded gun under a couch with a toddler in the home, well ... I don't get how they are connected.
I don't like it either. You think I enjoy reading about dead children? I feel that most here lump me into the same category as these irresponsible asses, and I don't believe that is accurate. Where I live and our way of life here is foreign to most on this forum. I only wish to inform you all that rural people exist, and they exist without the constant overseeing of government. We have to take care of our selves and each other at times. We aren't all in a high rise in downtown wherever. By the way, his grandfather hand built the rifle in the first pic. Guns are a big part of my heritage, and I take offense to the suggestion from anyone who suggests I shouldn't have them. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd expect you not to be like the irresponsible asses with guns.
You are correct in that I am not that familiar with your kind of rural. But I am familiar with parts of Midwestern rural which is I'm sure is significantly different. Have no experience with high rise or downtown living, but I do know people living in major cities in single family homes.
How about we agree its OK for you to have guns responsibly if you want them and its not necessary for me to have them if I don't want them.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 20:23:56 GMT -5
I don't like it either. You think I enjoy reading about dead children? I feel that most here lump me into the same category as these irresponsible asses, and I don't believe that is accurate. Where I live and our way of life here is foreign to most on this forum. I only wish to inform you all that rural people exist, and they exist without the constant overseeing of government. We have to take care of our selves and each other at times. We aren't all in a high rise in downtown wherever. By the way, his grandfather hand built the rifle in the first pic. Guns are a big part of my heritage, and I take offense to the suggestion from anyone who suggests I shouldn't have them. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd expect you not to be like the irresponsible asses with guns.
You are correct in that I am not that familiar with your kind of rural. But I am familiar with parts of Midwestern rural which is I'm sure is significantly different. Have no experience with high rise or downtown living, but I do know people living in major cities in single family homes.
How about we agree its OK for you to have guns responsibly if you want them and its not necessary for me to have them if I don't want them.
I love that!!!!! I couldn't agree more.
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Post by dondub on Feb 7, 2016 20:53:16 GMT -5
Once again....you are more likely to be shot and killed by a toddler than a Muslim radical. All of those folks that insist on having guns keep killing each other.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 7, 2016 21:00:50 GMT -5
Nobody lumped you in with anybody. Nobody was talking about you. We're all aware rural people exist. We don't need educating in that regard, and we don't all live in high rises downtown, either. Nobody has suggested you not have guns. It's not all about you, greg. Folks are often trying to make the case for gun control here on the board. Am I not allowed to offer a counter argument to that? When I say me, I'm making the argument for all who are of a like mind as me on the subject. Get over yourself! You do realize that if I'm no longer welcome here, you have the button to make it happen, right? If we (the staff) wanted that to happen, we'd make it so, greg. We haven't. We don't. If you're not talking about yourself, why not make that more clear? In addition, instead of reading into what's written, why not just read what's actually written. Because some want gun control doesn't mean they want to take guns away from everyone (everyone would include you). They may want regulation. They may want registration. They may want examination. Why not ask them what they actually want, and mean, rather than making that decision for them? I think that would work a lot better to foster discussion.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 21:06:50 GMT -5
Folks are often trying to make the case for gun control here on the board. Am I not allowed to offer a counter argument to that? When I say me, I'm making the argument for all who are of a like mind as me on the subject. Get over yourself! You do realize that if I'm no longer welcome here, you have the button to make it happen, right? If we (the staff) wanted that to happen, we'd make it so, greg. We haven't. We don't. If you're not talking about yourself, why not make that more clear? In addition, instead of reading into what's written, why not just read what's actually written. Because some want gun control doesn't mean they want to take guns away from everyone (everyone would include you). They may want regulation. They may want registration. They may want examination. Why not ask them what they actually want, and mean, rather than making that decision for them? I think that would work a lot better to foster discussion. How about the next time I wish to publish a post, I run it by you first? Would that work better?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 7, 2016 21:09:02 GMT -5
If we (the staff) wanted that to happen, we'd make it so, greg. We haven't. We don't. If you're not talking about yourself, why not make that more clear? In addition, instead of reading into what's written, why not just read what's actually written. Because some want gun control doesn't mean they want to take guns away from everyone (everyone would include you). They may want regulation. They may want registration. They may want examination. Why not ask them what they actually want, and mean, rather than making that decision for them? I think that would work a lot better to foster discussion. How about the next time I wish to publish a post, I run it by you first? Would that work better? Not necessary and not wanted. Probably just a little forethought and an effort not to read a person's meaning into their post instead of clarifying with the person what that person means. That should work really well.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 7, 2016 21:12:11 GMT -5
How about the next time I wish to publish a post, I run it by you first? Would that work better? Not necessary and not wanted. Probably just a little forethought and an effort not to read a person's meaning into their post instead of clarifying with the person what that person means. That should work really well. This is a confusing place. I thought you told me this type crap belonged in the "beef with the admin" section.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 7, 2016 23:07:31 GMT -5
Not necessary and not wanted. Probably just a little forethought and an effort not to read a person's meaning into their post instead of clarifying with the person what that person means. That should work really well. This is a confusing place. I thought you told me this type crap belonged in the "beef with the admin" section. Ahh. You remembered that? Then, why did you post your gripe here if that's what you thought? There is something else I've neglected to tell you about that may help you understand. If I post something with my Administrator signature, it's official. If I don't sign it as Administrator, it's me posting as a poster. That's true of all staff.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 8, 2016 8:07:28 GMT -5
This is a confusing place. I thought you told me this type crap belonged in the "beef with the admin" section. Ahh. You remembered that? Then, why did you post your gripe here if that's what you thought?
There is something else I've neglected to tell you about that may help you understand. If I post something with my Administrator signature, it's official. If I don't sign it as Administrator, it's me posting as a poster. That's true of all staff. I was only responding to yours.
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The police officers I know will agree that domestic disputes are the most dangerous of all. Often the supposed victim will turn (with deadly intent) on the helping officer because he/she still loves his/her abusive partner. If your going to get involved in a domestic dispute you better be prepared, as there's no cure to being stupid. Blaming these disputes on a stereotype, or the weapon at hand, isn't too smart either. If the guy had a knife he'd have been running after the car trying to catch it so he could stab a tire. A bow and arrow, sling shot, or pointy stick would also have been pretty useless in trying to stop a car from speeding away from you.
Firing a gun at a fleeing car - much better odds that you'll hit something. So I would say it makes a big difference that the particular weapon at hand this time was a gun. Nothing else could have been so lethal - except maybe a bazooka, or tank.
Or wait for a different time, and use a brick to bash her head in, or strangle her, or just about anything. You're in what I call the "gun control box" Violent people aren't stupid. Neither are law abiding gun owners. I wish I could remember the name of the middle eastern guy ("Abu" something I think) on the news yesterday(NBC) who was arrested by the FBI and was tweeting that he wanted to "mass kill" at a large church because it's a gun free zone.
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Post by fishy999 on Feb 8, 2016 21:51:19 GMT -5
I agree gun rights did not kill the child. Stupid, careless, grandparents contributed to homicide of a minor. Do you think they should have been charged for a death like this? If so, what would the law be, and what might be the punishment(s)?
Perhaps reckless endangerment? I'm not a lawyer, and don't know for sure what they should be charged with, but they should be accountable. Posters like Fishy, however, somehow think that as a gun owner, I should be responsible, and should have my guns taken away. This I do not comprehend. Wrongo- I am tired of hearing incidents like this called 'accidents' because guns are so damn sacrosanct in this country. If a parent left pills on a table and a child ate a few they would be be charged on the spot, or just about anything a parent does resulting in the death of a child- like a hot car. Prosecutors don't seem to call those situations 'accidents'. In fact that is a good example- idiot leaves their child in a hot car and they die- prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, idiot leaves a loaded gun in the glovebox and a brother shoots a sister- its a freaking accident THAT is what I am tired of- the special status guns get. Think of it this way- gun laws are not really needed for the average, responsible citizen, they are needed for the least common denominator morons that live around you. People that have to be told leaving a loaded shotgun leaning against the wall in a trailer is a bad idea when kids live there. wkrn.com/2016/02/04/tenn-boy-11-found-guilty-of-murdering-8-year-old/WHITE PINE, Tenn. (WATE) – An 11-year-old boy has been sentenced to spend the rest of his childhood in custody after he was found guilty of the murder of an 8-year-old girl. McKayla, a student at White Pine Elementary, was killed Oct. 3, 2015 outside her home. The boy was playing with McKayla and her friend when he sent her to get her puppies. After she said no, authorities say he went inside and shot her from his window with a shotgun. And so far no news of any charges for the owner of the shotgun- get my point here?
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Post by Kolt! on Feb 8, 2016 22:12:02 GMT -5
Perhaps reckless endangerment? I'm not a lawyer, and don't know for sure what they should be charged with, but they should be accountable. Posters like Fishy, however, somehow think that as a gun owner, I should be responsible, and should have my guns taken away. This I do not comprehend. Wrongo- I am tired of hearing incidents like this called 'accidents' because guns are so damn sacrosanct in this country. If a parent left pills on a table and a child ate a few they would be be charged on the spot, or just about anything a parent does resulting in the death of a child- like a hot car. Prosecutors don't seem to call those situations 'accidents'. In fact that is a good example- idiot leaves their child in a hot car and they die- prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, idiot leaves a loaded gun in the glovebox and a brother shoots a sister- its a freaking accident THAT is what I am tired of- the special status guns get. Think of it this way- gun laws are not really needed for the average, responsible citizen, they are needed for the least common denominator morons that live around you. People that have to be told leaving a loaded shotgun leaning against the wall in a trailer is a bad idea when kids live there. wkrn.com/2016/02/04/tenn-boy-11-found-guilty-of-murdering-8-year-old/WHITE PINE, Tenn. (WATE) – An 11-year-old boy has been sentenced to spend the rest of his childhood in custody after he was found guilty of the murder of an 8-year-old girl. McKayla, a student at White Pine Elementary, was killed Oct. 3, 2015 outside her home. The boy was playing with McKayla and her friend when he sent her to get her puppies. After she said no, authorities say he went inside and shot her from his window with a shotgun. And so far no news of any charges for the owner of the shotgun- get my point here? Holy. You just made a point I've been trying to come up with in words for a long time. Zinger right there. I agree with everything just said hole heartily.
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Post by gregintenn on Feb 8, 2016 22:55:50 GMT -5
Perhaps reckless endangerment? I'm not a lawyer, and don't know for sure what they should be charged with, but they should be accountable. Posters like Fishy, however, somehow think that as a gun owner, I should be responsible, and should have my guns taken away. This I do not comprehend. Wrongo- I am tired of hearing incidents like this called 'accidents' because guns are so damn sacrosanct in this country. If a parent left pills on a table and a child ate a few they would be be charged on the spot, or just about anything a parent does resulting in the death of a child- like a hot car. Prosecutors don't seem to call those situations 'accidents'. In fact that is a good example- idiot leaves their child in a hot car and they die- prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, idiot leaves a loaded gun in the glovebox and a brother shoots a sister- its a freaking accident THAT is what I am tired of- the special status guns get. Think of it this way- gun laws are not really needed for the average, responsible citizen, they are needed for the least common denominator morons that live around you. People that have to be told leaving a loaded shotgun leaning against the wall in a trailer is a bad idea when kids live there. wkrn.com/2016/02/04/tenn-boy-11-found-guilty-of-murdering-8-year-old/WHITE PINE, Tenn. (WATE) – An 11-year-old boy has been sentenced to spend the rest of his childhood in custody after he was found guilty of the murder of an 8-year-old girl. McKayla, a student at White Pine Elementary, was killed Oct. 3, 2015 outside her home. The boy was playing with McKayla and her friend when he sent her to get her puppies. After she said no, authorities say he went inside and shot her from his window with a shotgun. And so far no news of any charges for the owner of the shotgun- get my point here? Shall we ban cars and pills too?
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Post by Opti on Feb 9, 2016 9:51:27 GMT -5
She's suggesting negligent gun owners get charged, not any ban.
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Post by Kolt! on Feb 9, 2016 17:37:27 GMT -5
That's how I was taking it when I agreed with what she said.
I certainly think there needs to be some new orders around gun laws but I certainly don't think they should all be taken away either.
BUT I MEAN when people talk about when the constitution was made it allowed guns...yes but back then guns were not as advanced and didn't shoot as many bullets at a time as one does now.
We can't LITERALLY live exactly how the first constitution wanted us to nor do we live the same way as we did back then. THANK GOODNESS! =P
But I tend to try to stay neutral with 'taking' away guns because I honestly would have no solutions on how to take them all away or even how to get better laws centered around them.
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But I fully believe something needs to change. As I mentioned shootings are becoming more common now more then ever. SO the United States is clearly doing something wrong. But the United States is clearly doing something wrong on many levels... =P
I say that but then I slap myself and remember were a first world country and some of our issues are no where near as bad as other countries right now.
herp a derp.
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Post by dondub on Feb 9, 2016 18:01:04 GMT -5
All the gun nuts are sure there is a huge mob wanting to take away their guns. In the meantime, the reality is we can't even get simple and effective background checks on all gun sales. Methinks they are all a bit paranoid and no wonder then that they leave loaded weapons around that are then accessed by their children and mistakenly fired in the direction of friends and siblings.
The conservatives love their mandatory sentencing and I think anyone that has a gun at home that ends up causing the death of any innocent MUST do a mandatory prison sentence. Period. How about 2 years?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 19:58:44 GMT -5
That's how I was taking it when I agreed with what she said. I certainly think there needs to be some new orders around gun laws but I certainly don't think they should all be taken away either. BUT I MEAN when people talk about when the constitution was made it allowed guns...yes but back then guns were not as advanced and didn't shoot as many bullets at a time as one does now. We can't LITERALLY live exactly how the first constitution wanted us to nor do we live the same way as we did back then. THANK GOODNESS! =P But I tend to try to stay neutral with 'taking' away guns because I honestly would have no solutions on how to take them all away or even how to get better laws centered around them. -- But I fully believe something needs to change. As I mentioned shootings are becoming more common now more then ever. SO the United States is clearly doing something wrong. But the United States is clearly doing something wrong on many levels... =P I say that but then I slap myself and remember were a first world country and some of our issues are no where near as bad as other countries right now. herp a derp. Back then, those guns were the equivalent of what an invading army would have. Now, the guns that are available are the equivalent of what an invading army might have... so... similar rule for similar circumstances.
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