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Post by alabamagal on Jun 24, 2019 22:09:21 GMT -5
Well I got word from the job I interviewed with last week that I will be getting an offer this week. I have another interview Friday with another company. If I have to make a choice between company 1 and 2 things could get interesting.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jun 24, 2019 22:16:16 GMT -5
Well I got word from the job I interviewed with last week that I will be getting an offer this week. I have another interview Friday with another company. If I have to make a choice between company 1 and 2 things could get interesting. Congrats! I hope its a good one.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 25, 2019 6:34:09 GMT -5
I asked my sister yesterday about DN's contract. Neither he nor girlfriend have received the contract to sign. She said the girlfriend was going to call to see what is going on.
DN is concerned the job at the school district in this town will be "babysitting" kids, not teaching kids. He has no interest in that.
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Post by oped on Jun 25, 2019 6:59:04 GMT -5
I asked my sister yesterday about DN's contract. Neither he nor girlfriend have received the contract to sign. She said the girlfriend was going to call to see what is going on. DN is concerned the job at the school district in this town will be "babysitting" kids, not teaching kids. He has no interest in that. The long term sub I almost took a few years ago was in one of the more problematic districts. They were just so disorganized. The HR person who had been bitchy the entire process was more so when I explained that I didn’t think I was going to be able to fulfill the position as advertised after all... she said they would hold me 60 as per the contact. That’s when I reminded her that I’d never been given one... the disorganization and manipulative tactics should have been a red flag much earlier. Didn’t mind burning that bridge. I do regret it for the kids though. Even in districts where ‘babysitting’ seems the status quo, I find kids are generally eager for someone to listen to them and help them learn. Maybe more so....
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 25, 2019 8:26:45 GMT -5
DN's girlfriend used to work in the district where they are going. She is much more organized than DN so she will keep contacting the district. She is a single parent with no other job lined up. She didn't apply anywhere else because this is home for her. DN needs frequent kicks in the pants, so she is good for him. The district is transferring the education program for 5-12 from the residential behavioral program to the district. Don't know what all that involves. Nothing can be worse than where they have been.
They interviewed on a snow day during the Polar Vortex and were told they had jobs. School board approved offers in late May or early June.
As for the babysitting, DN is a fantastic listener with kids. He just needs to get off his butt and make contact. The past three years have sounded like babysitting to me and when the residential students through a tantrum, they returned to their dorm.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 29, 2019 13:15:09 GMT -5
Holy moly!!! There is a job on glassdoor that I am qualified to apply to that has a salary listed as 280-360. I keep thinking this cannot be real! omg! Redoing my resume and going to apply. I'm sure they will get a plethora of well-qualified candidates, and I've only been in my current role for 8 months. Taking this job would involve selling the family home and moving, moving to a state I won't like, starting over socially, like ripping my life apart. but - I gotta apply, right?
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Post by taz157 on Jun 29, 2019 13:46:00 GMT -5
Holy moly!!! There is a job on glassdoor that I am qualified to apply to that has a salary listed as 280-360. I keep thinking this cannot be real! omg! Redoing my resume and going to apply. I'm sure they will get a plethora of well-qualified candidates, and I've only been in my current role for 8 months. Taking this job would involve selling the family home and moving, moving to a state I won't like, starting over socially, like ripping my life apart. but - I gotta apply, right? Are you sure you really want to sell your family home and move to a state you won’t like, start over socially, like ripping your life apart? Sometimes money isn’t everything... Depending on the COL in the “new” state, it may not be much of a raise... FWIW, I “get” it. You could always apply and see what happens. Good luck!
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Post by geenamercile on Jun 29, 2019 15:35:57 GMT -5
Apply and see what happens. But from your post there seems some quality of life issues that would make me really question if I would want to take it. What is the extra income really worth being unhappy and living a place you hate.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 30, 2019 11:08:48 GMT -5
LOL, this morning it now seems such an intensive endeavor just to apply!
Let alone go through the selection process and then get hired...
That old rukh boundless enthusiasm isn't what it used to be....power through - or power down?
Maybe more coffee?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 30, 2019 11:43:51 GMT -5
ok - post coffee I am revamping the resume. Something way too sad about not even applying for this job!! right? I do not think that I stand a chance really, despite the job posting looking just like my current job description - but in a different niche of the field. I've only been in current position for a light 9 months, previous promotion at old job to senior was only for 6 months, so super light on the heavier titles. Also worried my current boss might apply! and that we would have similar accomplishments listed. but oh well!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 1, 2019 4:15:13 GMT -5
Holy moly!!! There is a job on glassdoor that I am qualified to apply to that has a salary listed as 280-360. I keep thinking this cannot be real! omg! Redoing my resume and going to apply. I'm sure they will get a plethora of well-qualified candidates, and I've only been in my current role for 8 months. Taking this job would involve selling the family home and moving, moving to a state I won't like, starting over socially, like ripping my life apart. but - I gotta apply, right? Are you sure you really want to sell your family home and move to a state you won’t like, start over socially, like ripping your life apart? Sometimes money isn’t everything... Depending on the COL in the “new” state, it may not be much of a raise... FWIW, I “get” it. You could always apply and see what happens. Good luck! Apply, take the job, but on that salary keep the family home and come back to it on weekends/holidays/vacations so that you don’t need throw your whole life away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 19:42:49 GMT -5
Now that I am retired, I miss being connected to the school email way more than I thought I would.
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Post by azucena on Jul 3, 2019 9:47:10 GMT -5
Now that I am retired, I miss being connected to the school email way more than I thought I would. Does this mean you miss hearing the school news or that you miss using your school email address?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 3, 2019 10:32:21 GMT -5
Susana -- my mom goes to a monthly luncheon for retired nurses from her field. It's a good group that she really appreciates.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 3, 2019 11:16:52 GMT -5
My cousin does this and the school no longer exists.
DN3 was over this morning. Neither he nor his girlfriend or anyone else who is going to the new program have received contracts. They have received emails that the contracts will be emailed, but no date. They also have received emails on orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 19:45:03 GMT -5
Now that I am retired, I miss being connected to the school email way more than I thought I would. Does this mean you miss hearing the school news or that you miss using your school email address? I miss the school news. I didn't really use the school email for anything but school email.
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Post by azucena on Jul 12, 2019 12:32:10 GMT -5
I've been asked if I want to manage a team of 4 at work. I have never been a manager, not sure I want to take that on right now as I'm still growing into my current role, and I have young kids at home.
It would be a good resume/career builder, but I can honestly see myself in my current role for a decade or more. This is the role I always pictured. One step up leaves technical work and becomes all management, more hours, and way more stress. It would take a major upheaval for me to leave this company.
I'm striving to keep a good work life balance. Sometimes I need to work more, but not always and that's perfect. My kids are 6 and 10 so I have lots to do with/for them.
I have no interest in going thru extensive hr people management training. Having to do reviews and other required paperwork for my would be reports makes me want to shoot myself in the foot.
Doesn't sound like it's a title change or more money. Even if it were, I don't want/need either.
2 of the reports are my best work friends and even friends I would call outside of work. With my last promotion, i began to assign them work and lost some of the personal contact I had with them already which has been hard for both sides. The third one I've become a mentor too already. The 4th is new and is taking way too long to get up to speed, plays around online too much, and isn't a good communicator. So feels like I'd inherit a big problem.
I really can't see much positive, so I'm leaning towards saying no. Another person at my level has said he would take them, and he actually had them a couple of years ago. So I wouldn't be leaving my boss or team in need.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 13:59:08 GMT -5
if you become their manager, you can't really be friends anymore. and then there is the problem employee. So - a lot to give up/take on. I can personally attest to being a manager as a thankless time suck. People above lifting my best ideas and coaching those below to do well, and standing back as they are recognized!
on the other hand, I have witnessed a few friends go through a similar situation, pass on the job, and get a completely incompetent new manager and end up training them, and continuing to do the majority of the job they turned down, without the pay or career advancement.
if you think you would enjoy working for the person who wants to step up, then I would say that is as good a possibility as you can hope for.
but for your own career - if you never got this kind of opportunity again, would you be ok with that?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 14:13:11 GMT -5
ok - I have my own question for the group!
I may have mentioned that my name was attached to the undergrad class I taught last year, but when I inquired was told it was just a place marker they hadn't decided. Basically - I am last on their list, and they'd like to keep it for someone else, maybe a current grad student, or someone in their division. I am an outsider, but the class content is cross-division topically. And I'm fine with that.
Now I am being asked about book choices for the class from the book store.
I think I should push them on this - before I do too much free work for nothing at least. I've already handled some student inquiries because I'm listed as the instructor. I don't really have the time to teach this again - but I really can't afford to pass it up if they are willing to give it to me. And of course, if they do say I can have it and I refuse - I'm done on their list.
So - I should push and take it if offered, right? If I do one more course, I can quickly finish paying off the IRS and make a good dent into paying off one of my student loans. Just one more course could really put me into a much better financial situation. I feel kind of teetering on the brink of ok and not-so-ok. Gross pay would be about 7k, maybe a bit more, so say take home of 6k. I think I have about 2.5k left on IRS, and then could do 3.5k to one of the SLs, and try to pay that one off by feb-april 2020.
It'll be tough for me, but I think it is my best path forward.
Appreciate any thoughts on this!!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 14:13:39 GMT -5
of course - they may have already promised to someone else and just forgot to change out what is online!
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Post by azucena on Jul 12, 2019 15:10:21 GMT -5
if you become their manager, you can't really be friends anymore. and then there is the problem employee. So - a lot to give up/take on. I can personally attest to being a manager as a thankless time suck. People above lifting my best ideas and coaching those below to do well, and standing back as they are recognized! on the other hand, I have witnessed a few friends go through a similar situation, pass on the job, and get a completely incompetent new manager and end up training them, and continuing to do the majority of the job they turned down, without the pay or career advancement. if you think you would enjoy working for the person who wants to step up, then I would say that is as good a possibility as you can hope for. but for your own career - if you never got this kind of opportunity again, would you be ok with that? Right, I value their friendship too much. Since I moved from cube world to an office, I really miss the camaraderie that was so good for my mental health. I just got a new manager. This group needs a new boss because their current one (my colleague) is taking a lateral position in a different department. It remains to be seen if my new manager is good - my old one was awesome so it's a high bar. And yep, if I never become a manager, I'm okay with that.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 12, 2019 15:11:58 GMT -5
I've been asked if I want to manage a team of 4 at work. I have never been a manager, not sure I want to take that on right now as I'm still growing into my current role, and I have young kids at home. It would be a good resume/career builder, but I can honestly see myself in my current role for a decade or more. This is the role I always pictured. One step up leaves technical work and becomes all management, more hours, and way more stress. It would take a major upheaval for me to leave this company. I'm striving to keep a good work life balance. Sometimes I need to work more, but not always and that's perfect. My kids are 6 and 10 so I have lots to do with/for them. I have no interest in going thru extensive hr people management training. Having to do reviews and other required paperwork for my would be reports makes me want to shoot myself in the foot. Doesn't sound like it's a title change or more money. Even if it were, I don't want/need either. 2 of the reports are my best work friends and even friends I would call outside of work. With my last promotion, i began to assign them work and lost some of the personal contact I had with them already which has been hard for both sides. The third one I've become a mentor too already. The 4th is new and is taking way too long to get up to speed, plays around online too much, and isn't a good communicator. So feels like I'd inherit a big problem. I really can't see much positive, so I'm leaning towards saying no. Another person at my level has said he would take them, and he actually had them a couple of years ago. So I wouldn't be leaving my boss or team in need. Any thoughts? So no pay or title raise, and you don't want to move into management. You're really just taking some work off your supervisors desk to be a team player? I'd say it isn't the path you are looking to go down. You're plan is to stay on the technical side and that since you're already friends with 2 of the people it would be a difficult management position to take, so you'd prefer not to--unless no one else can. That way you're leaving the door open for future opportunities.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 12, 2019 15:14:35 GMT -5
ok - I have my own question for the group! I may have mentioned that my name was attached to the undergrad class I taught last year, but when I inquired was told it was just a place marker they hadn't decided. Basically - I am last on their list, and they'd like to keep it for someone else, maybe a current grad student, or someone in their division. I am an outsider, but the class content is cross-division topically. And I'm fine with that. Now I am being asked about book choices for the class from the book store. I think I should push them on this - before I do too much free work for nothing at least. I've already handled some student inquiries because I'm listed as the instructor. I don't really have the time to teach this again - but I really can't afford to pass it up if they are willing to give it to me. And of course, if they do say I can have it and I refuse - I'm done on their list. So - I should push and take it if offered, right? If I do one more course, I can quickly finish paying off the IRS and make a good dent into paying off one of my student loans. Just one more course could really put me into a much better financial situation. I feel kind of teetering on the brink of ok and not-so-ok. Gross pay would be about 7k, maybe a bit more, so say take home of 6k. I think I have about 2.5k left on IRS, and then could do 3.5k to one of the SLs, and try to pay that one off by feb-april 2020. It'll be tough for me, but I think it is my best path forward. Appreciate any thoughts on this!! I don't know how you could do it, but you've said that teaching is important for your career goals, so I'd push and try to get back in now while you have an opportunity. I don't know if I'd count on the money. I'd probably end up spending it all on odds and ends to survive 4.5 months of serious crunch mode.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:29:59 GMT -5
ok - I have my own question for the group! I may have mentioned that my name was attached to the undergrad class I taught last year, but when I inquired was told it was just a place marker they hadn't decided. Basically - I am last on their list, and they'd like to keep it for someone else, maybe a current grad student, or someone in their division. I am an outsider, but the class content is cross-division topically. And I'm fine with that. Now I am being asked about book choices for the class from the book store. I think I should push them on this - before I do too much free work for nothing at least. I've already handled some student inquiries because I'm listed as the instructor. I don't really have the time to teach this again - but I really can't afford to pass it up if they are willing to give it to me. And of course, if they do say I can have it and I refuse - I'm done on their list. So - I should push and take it if offered, right? If I do one more course, I can quickly finish paying off the IRS and make a good dent into paying off one of my student loans. Just one more course could really put me into a much better financial situation. I feel kind of teetering on the brink of ok and not-so-ok. Gross pay would be about 7k, maybe a bit more, so say take home of 6k. I think I have about 2.5k left on IRS, and then could do 3.5k to one of the SLs, and try to pay that one off by feb-april 2020. It'll be tough for me, but I think it is my best path forward. Appreciate any thoughts on this!! You are underestimating the tax hit. $7000 on top of your current salary will involve more than 15% in taxes. That may be why you owe money to the IRS. They never take out enough in taxes when you earn a low amount like that. So be prepared for an unpleasant hit come tax time. I would call and talk with them. You shouldn't be selecting the textbook if you aren't teaching the course. That's what I would use as the prompt for them to decide.
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Post by azucena on Jul 12, 2019 15:34:38 GMT -5
I've been asked if I want to manage a team of 4 at work. I have never been a manager, not sure I want to take that on right now as I'm still growing into my current role, and I have young kids at home. It would be a good resume/career builder, but I can honestly see myself in my current role for a decade or more. This is the role I always pictured. One step up leaves technical work and becomes all management, more hours, and way more stress. It would take a major upheaval for me to leave this company. I'm striving to keep a good work life balance. Sometimes I need to work more, but not always and that's perfect. My kids are 6 and 10 so I have lots to do with/for them. I have no interest in going thru extensive hr people management training. Having to do reviews and other required paperwork for my would be reports makes me want to shoot myself in the foot. Doesn't sound like it's a title change or more money. Even if it were, I don't want/need either. 2 of the reports are my best work friends and even friends I would call outside of work. With my last promotion, i began to assign them work and lost some of the personal contact I had with them already which has been hard for both sides. The third one I've become a mentor too already. The 4th is new and is taking way too long to get up to speed, plays around online too much, and isn't a good communicator. So feels like I'd inherit a big problem. I really can't see much positive, so I'm leaning towards saying no. Another person at my level has said he would take them, and he actually had them a couple of years ago. So I wouldn't be leaving my boss or team in need. Any thoughts? So no pay or title raise, and you don't want to move into management. You're really just taking some work off your supervisors desk to be a team player? I'd say it isn't the path you are looking to go down. You're plan is to stay on the technical side and that since you're already friends with 2 of the people it would be a difficult management position to take, so you'd prefer not to--unless no one else can. That way you're leaving the door open for future opportunities. Right. I'm still waiting for someone here to say I'm making the wrong choice LOL. If I turn it down, another colleague will take them, not my boss. This colleague has 15 years of seniority on me and is used to managing a whole department of people. He's decent at it too - he was my manager about 5 years ago. It's the team player aspect that I'm a little worried about. Not quite 6 months ago, another colleague jumped ship and I was offered his position. Basically a lateral move doing the same job but with much, much higher profile and much, much needier clients and way more travel. I turned it down because I've worked hard establishing myself with my current clients and it's paying off for the company, and it totally would have upset my work life balance. I never let it get to the point of finding out if it was more money because I knew I didn't want it regardless. They gave it to the next colleague who has less experience than me, but I have no doubt he'll grow into it just like I have. So it's kinda weighing on me to turn this down so soon after, but it's clearly the right decision for me. In the meantime, I'm proactively picking up extra work from all of these changes and have said I'd take an active role in mentoring the new hire that will backfill one of our open positions. Almost every year, I get a review comment about being a good team player. So hopefully that's enough, but it is a small worry that I'm setting the wrong precedent.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 16:07:04 GMT -5
ok - I have my own question for the group! I may have mentioned that my name was attached to the undergrad class I taught last year, but when I inquired was told it was just a place marker they hadn't decided. Basically - I am last on their list, and they'd like to keep it for someone else, maybe a current grad student, or someone in their division. I am an outsider, but the class content is cross-division topically. And I'm fine with that. Now I am being asked about book choices for the class from the book store. I think I should push them on this - before I do too much free work for nothing at least. I've already handled some student inquiries because I'm listed as the instructor. I don't really have the time to teach this again - but I really can't afford to pass it up if they are willing to give it to me. And of course, if they do say I can have it and I refuse - I'm done on their list. So - I should push and take it if offered, right? If I do one more course, I can quickly finish paying off the IRS and make a good dent into paying off one of my student loans. Just one more course could really put me into a much better financial situation. I feel kind of teetering on the brink of ok and not-so-ok. Gross pay would be about 7k, maybe a bit more, so say take home of 6k. I think I have about 2.5k left on IRS, and then could do 3.5k to one of the SLs, and try to pay that one off by feb-april 2020. It'll be tough for me, but I think it is my best path forward. Appreciate any thoughts on this!! I don't know how you could do it, but you've said that teaching is important for your career goals, so I'd push and try to get back in now while you have an opportunity. I don't know if I'd count on the money. I'd probably end up spending it all on odds and ends to survive 4.5 months of serious crunch mode. true! but I'm thinking maybe just a small percentage of it, not everything.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 16:25:57 GMT -5
ok - I have my own question for the group! I may have mentioned that my name was attached to the undergrad class I taught last year, but when I inquired was told it was just a place marker they hadn't decided. Basically - I am last on their list, and they'd like to keep it for someone else, maybe a current grad student, or someone in their division. I am an outsider, but the class content is cross-division topically. And I'm fine with that. Now I am being asked about book choices for the class from the book store. I think I should push them on this - before I do too much free work for nothing at least. I've already handled some student inquiries because I'm listed as the instructor. I don't really have the time to teach this again - but I really can't afford to pass it up if they are willing to give it to me. And of course, if they do say I can have it and I refuse - I'm done on their list. So - I should push and take it if offered, right? If I do one more course, I can quickly finish paying off the IRS and make a good dent into paying off one of my student loans. Just one more course could really put me into a much better financial situation. I feel kind of teetering on the brink of ok and not-so-ok. Gross pay would be about 7k, maybe a bit more, so say take home of 6k. I think I have about 2.5k left on IRS, and then could do 3.5k to one of the SLs, and try to pay that one off by feb-april 2020. It'll be tough for me, but I think it is my best path forward. Appreciate any thoughts on this!! You are underestimating the tax hit. $7000 on top of your current salary will involve more than 15% in taxes. That may be why you owe money to the IRS. They never take out enough in taxes when you earn a low amount like that. So be prepared for an unpleasant hit come tax time. I would call and talk with them. You shouldn't be selecting the textbook if you aren't teaching the course. That's what I would use as the prompt for them to decide. I'm thinking it is about 7500 - so about 20% for taxes would leave 6k. There has been a system raise since I left, although - not sure this position is affected. so I don't know. But even if I only got 5k out of it, money is money - that is 30% tax on 7250. It would help with debt, and for refinancing to have higher income. Will be looking to refinance the mortgage, hopefully to get quite a bit of money out. and then to refinance the student loans to try to get better rates. but the thought of that mid-semester, this-is-never-going-to-end, grading-all-weekend, experience is not something I'm looking forward to!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 16:28:11 GMT -5
So no pay or title raise, and you don't want to move into management. You're really just taking some work off your supervisors desk to be a team player? I'd say it isn't the path you are looking to go down. You're plan is to stay on the technical side and that since you're already friends with 2 of the people it would be a difficult management position to take, so you'd prefer not to--unless no one else can. That way you're leaving the door open for future opportunities. Right. I'm still waiting for someone here to say I'm making the wrong choice LOL.If I turn it down, another colleague will take them, not my boss. This colleague has 15 years of seniority on me and is used to managing a whole department of people. He's decent at it too - he was my manager about 5 years ago. It's the team player aspect that I'm a little worried about. Not quite 6 months ago, another colleague jumped ship and I was offered his position. Basically a lateral move doing the same job but with much, much higher profile and much, much needier clients and way more travel. I turned it down because I've worked hard establishing myself with my current clients and it's paying off for the company, and it totally would have upset my work life balance. I never let it get to the point of finding out if it was more money because I knew I didn't want it regardless. They gave it to the next colleague who has less experience than me, but I have no doubt he'll grow into it just like I have. So it's kinda weighing on me to turn this down so soon after, but it's clearly the right decision for me. In the meantime, I'm proactively picking up extra work from all of these changes and have said I'd take an active role in mentoring the new hire that will backfill one of our open positions. Almost every year, I get a review comment about being a good team player. So hopefully that's enough, but it is a small worry that I'm setting the wrong precedent. Rae seemed to pick up on something I missed - no raise or title change on this? and you don't want/aspire to that kind of role? No. If you really want to take one for the team - ask for a 20% increase and title upgrade. Otherwise. No.
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Rukh O'Rorke
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 16:30:45 GMT -5
In regards to my super-job I wanted to apply to, glass door indicated this about the salary range: so - maybe it isn't really so much more than I'm making now?
Any experience with these estimates?
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Rukh O'Rorke
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Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 12, 2019 16:37:39 GMT -5
oof! Job listing is gone!
Kicking myself now, I would have like to see if I got a call.
Oh well.
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