muttleynfelix
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:32:52 GMT -5
Posts: 9,406
|
Post by muttleynfelix on May 21, 2019 9:52:19 GMT -5
Ugh. Work just went completely downhill in the last 2 weeks. My CEO is dismantling my design group. I have to take amendment freaking #11 on my project to the Board of directors because it is "risky". I'll hold out if my amendment goes through, but if it doesn't, I'm out of here. It isn't like I'm going to have work to do anyway. My market leader quit...not surprising when the CEO turned down $13M worth of work and our sales goal for the market for the year is $30M. My amendment is $6M. I'm livid. My company has done this work for 100 year. My CEO came on board 2 years ago. She can go away. Why come work for a company that does work that you consider too risky.
|
|
shanendoah
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 19:44:48 GMT -5
Posts: 10,096
Mini-Profile Name Color: 0c3563
|
Post by shanendoah on May 21, 2019 10:24:04 GMT -5
muttleynfelix - sorry to hear that. Didn't you move for this job? Are you at least in a larger city with more job prospects now? You're in Civil Engineering, right? I thought most of your projects had been flood control related. Has you CEO decided it's better to let people/property be washed away in a flood than have a flood come over levies you designed? Are cities in the habit of suing the engineering firms that build their flood walls, if a once in a century flood takes them out?
|
|
muttleynfelix
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:32:52 GMT -5
Posts: 9,406
|
Post by muttleynfelix on May 21, 2019 13:28:17 GMT -5
muttleynfelix - sorry to hear that. Didn't you move for this job? Are you at least in a larger city with more job prospects now? You're in Civil Engineering, right? I thought most of your projects had been flood control related. Has you CEO decided it's better to let people/property be washed away in a flood than have a flood come over levies you designed? Are cities in the habit of suing the engineering firms that build their flood walls, if a once in a century flood takes them out? Yes, I moved for this job. Yes I'm a Civil Engineer working primarily on a Flood Control System/Flood risk management system (depending on the terminology you use). But I can be a project manager on any Civil project. I have dealt with more issues and problems in this position than a lot of people. If I were to put my resume out there today, I would have a couple job offers immediately and other places looking for openings in their organization to add me. My CEO worked for a company that had a levee overtopped and flooded an industry. That company spent $14M in legal fees defending themselves. My CEO and board of directors think that unless we are working for the federal government where there is a level of Sovereign Immunity, there is too much risk. Our contract is with a municipality. My interim market leader told me he wants to know a measurable amount of risk...we doubt he will last too long. They were already ticking him off too. But he's fighting for me and my work now, at least that was our initial conversation.
|
|
shanendoah
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 19:44:48 GMT -5
Posts: 10,096
Mini-Profile Name Color: 0c3563
|
Post by shanendoah on May 21, 2019 13:49:15 GMT -5
muttleynfelix - I am glad your prospects are good, and that if you choose to leave, you will have options. Options are always good. And I have no doubt that you can project manage just about anything in civil engineering. I was just trying to figure out this "too risky" part of doing your work, when I was pretty certain your current projects were in Flood Control.
|
|
tcu2003
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 31, 2010 15:24:01 GMT -5
Posts: 4,943
|
Post by tcu2003 on May 21, 2019 13:49:39 GMT -5
Where did your previous market leader go, muttley? Would you be interested in following her/him there?
|
|
muttleynfelix
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:32:52 GMT -5
Posts: 9,406
|
Post by muttleynfelix on May 21, 2019 14:43:07 GMT -5
Where did your previous market leader go, muttley? Would you be interested in following her/him there? He hasn't gone anywhere yet. He just parted ways with our current company. He broke his shoulder in early April and has been working from home since. He probably won't look into a new job for another month or so. He's about 60. Hisyoingest graduated college, so he may just be done. This blew up in the last week. Not a planned departure.
|
|
Regis
Well-Known Member
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 12:26:50 GMT -5
Posts: 1,414
|
Post by Regis on May 22, 2019 15:53:08 GMT -5
Ugh. Work just went completely downhill in the last 2 weeks. My CEO is dismantling my design group. I have to take amendment freaking #11 on my project to the Board of directors because it is "risky". I'll hold out if my amendment goes through, but if it doesn't, I'm out of here. It isn't like I'm going to have work to do anyway. My market leader quit...not surprising when the CEO turned down $13M worth of work and our sales goal for the market for the year is $30M. My amendment is $6M. I'm livid. My company has done this work for 100 year. My CEO came on board 2 years ago. She can go away. Why come work for a company that does work that you consider too risky. We're hiring. It's a long commute on I-74 from where you are, though. Our company gives referral bonuses for hires and since this is YM...I'll split it with ya!
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 24, 2019 9:11:10 GMT -5
Welp - it looks like turning down the teaching gig just once got me out of the loop!
Trying to send off some emails to get back in on it. I don't want to lose my side benefits - library use, etc.
ETA: Not that I really have the time for it, but I can't be who I want to be professionally without it!
|
|
Works4me
Senior Member
Someone responded to your personal ad - a German Shepherd named Tara wants to have you for dinner...
Joined: May 5, 2012 12:11:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,522
|
Post by Works4me on May 25, 2019 2:47:38 GMT -5
I'm a real believer in stopping by in person, maybe schedule a coffee or lunch. For something like this I'd even share what you said above about teaching being an important part of your professional identity.
|
|
Ava
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 30, 2011 12:23:55 GMT -5
Posts: 4,181
|
Post by Ava on May 25, 2019 10:19:22 GMT -5
I was having major FOMO the last few days. Two people at work - not from my group but from the same company- who I am close to are leaving.
One of them will work at a top notch university. That place is not only recognized worldwide for its quality, but locally it is considered a great employer. The benefits are great, healthcare is free for employees. It's very difficult to get in and people tend to work there for the rest of their careers. My coworker applied many times during the last three years, and his fiancée is already working there and recommending him. I'm glad for him, he's a great person.
He told me to use him as a reference if I want to apply, but I don't think I will. I applied in the past and always got an automatic rejection.
Then another person who got hired with me and we trained together is also leaving. He got a job at one of the biggest banks in the US. and will be moving to Massachusetts for his new role.
I am sad to see them gone, because it is nice to work near people you like and who are friendly and upbeat. After dealing with FOMO for a few days, I came to the conclusion that I have it really good where I'm at and I don't feel any incentive to move on. Yes, I could have better healthcare coverage somewhere else, or more promotion opportunities at a bigger bank, but I am comfortable, respected, I like my job for the most part and I make relatively good money. The commute is the biggest hurdle but it will be fixed at some point. I have major perks I won't get anywhere else but where I'm at now. I decided to stop kidding myself and accept I'm not going anywhere in the near future. I know things may change at some point. There may be a reorganization, my manager may leave, etc. But for now, it's nice and stable. I don't take my current circumstances for granted, but I think I'll continue to enjoy them while they last.
|
|
MJ2.0
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 24, 2014 10:27:09 GMT -5
Posts: 10,972
|
Post by MJ2.0 on May 28, 2019 13:20:00 GMT -5
10 months til I can start job hunting again... must rinse and repeat that.... there are too many shady things happening and the company is in trouble. I can’t get into specifics because they’ve been in the news a lot, but I don’t feel secure in this company.
|
|
TheOtherMe
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 14:40:52 GMT -5
Posts: 27,292
Mini-Profile Name Color: e619e6
|
Post by TheOtherMe on May 28, 2019 14:47:50 GMT -5
Hoping the company stays in business for 10 months MJ2.0
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 28, 2019 16:10:57 GMT -5
10 months til I can start job hunting again... must rinse and repeat that.... there are too many shady things happening and the company is in trouble. I can’t get into specifics because they’ve been in the news a lot, but I don’t feel secure in this company. Oh no!!! Did you post elsewhere on this? I missed it if you did. Sorry this isn't working out. Hopefully the time flies...
|
|
geenamercile
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:40:28 GMT -5
Posts: 2,495
|
Post by geenamercile on May 28, 2019 18:13:51 GMT -5
MJ sorry about the job. You have seemed to have a really bad streak of bad jobs. Is this the normal for this field and you don't fit into this field well or is some how you and these jobs attracted to eachother? There seems to be a pattern and I hope it breaks for you with the next one.
|
|
oped
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 20, 2018 20:49:12 GMT -5
Posts: 4,676
|
Post by oped on May 28, 2019 18:21:00 GMT -5
10 months til I can start job hunting again... must rinse and repeat that.... there are too many shady things happening and the company is in trouble. I can’t get into specifics because they’ve been in the news a lot, but I don’t feel secure in this company. Until then, document, document...
|
|
MJ2.0
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 24, 2014 10:27:09 GMT -5
Posts: 10,972
|
Post by MJ2.0 on May 28, 2019 19:01:16 GMT -5
MJ sorry about the job. You have seemed to have a really bad streak of bad jobs. Is this the normal for this field and you don't fit into this field well or is some how you and these jobs attracted to eachother? There seems to be a pattern and I hope it breaks for you with the next one. I think it's two things: 1. I am capable of working in this industry but no, I do not think I'm optimally suited for this line of work. 2. I've just been fucking up. In general. Changing careers is such a daunting prospect to me. I think of all the things I need to do and it feels like a Herculean task to just get started. So I get paralyzed and hope things get better without me having to do anything. Invariably they don't, and the cycle starts over. I'm more prone to act now though. If there was a doomsday clock on me needing to get more education/certification or change careers, we're at about 11:30pm. So I have been looking more seriously at my options. I want to finish the Project Management stuff first though since I already started and paid for it, so maybe that will help. I'm also looking at something more sales oriented, since that seems to be more in line with my strengths.
But I need lots of nudging, so everyone feel free to PM me and nag as much as possible.
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 29, 2019 7:33:59 GMT -5
MJ sorry about the job. You have seemed to have a really bad streak of bad jobs. Is this the normal for this field and you don't fit into this field well or is some how you and these jobs attracted to eachother? There seems to be a pattern and I hope it breaks for you with the next one. I think it's two things: 1. I am capable of working in this industry but no, I do not think I'm optimally suited for this line of work. 2. I've just been fucking up. In general. Changing careers is such a daunting prospect to me. I think of all the things I need to do and it feels like a Herculean task to just get started. So I get paralyzed and hope things get better without me having to do anything. Invariably they don't, and the cycle starts over. I'm more prone to act now though. If there was a doomsday clock on me needing to get more education/certification or change careers, we're at about 11:30pm. So I have been looking more seriously at my options. I want to finish the Project Management stuff first though since I already started and paid for it, so maybe that will help. I'm also looking at something more sales oriented, since that seems to be more in line with my strengths.
But I need lots of nudging, so everyone feel free to PM me and nag as much as possible.
LOL! Done.
|
|
buystoys
Junior Associate
Joined: Mar 30, 2012 4:58:12 GMT -5
Posts: 5,650
|
Post by buystoys on May 29, 2019 7:37:50 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your job problems, MJ2.0. I had hoped this job would be better for you.
|
|
Wisconsin Beth
Distinguished Associate
No, we don't walk away. But when we're holding on to something precious, we run.
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 11:59:36 GMT -5
Posts: 30,626
|
Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 3, 2019 9:58:38 GMT -5
And I guess in May the Common Council passed a 3% raise for all employees who live in City limits. For me, it's about $63; prior to taxes and stuff.
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 4, 2019 17:02:51 GMT -5
Remember that position I was recruiting for and I wondered if they were going to be paid more than me?
So, I've been completely cut out of the salary negotiation part.
I don't know what the offer or counter offer was. Harumph!
|
|
geenamercile
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:40:28 GMT -5
Posts: 2,495
|
Post by geenamercile on Jun 4, 2019 17:32:52 GMT -5
Remember that position I was recruiting for and I wondered if they were going to be paid more than me? So, I've been completely cut out of the salary negotiation part. I don't know what the offer or counter offer was. Harumph! That doesn't really suprise me. That part seemed more of a HR thing. Do you know how much the other people you over see make? I think most companies keep it so people don't know what other people make. Honestly it seems more professional to me.
|
|
jelloshots4all
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 14, 2013 15:54:13 GMT -5
Posts: 4,642
|
Post by jelloshots4all on Jun 4, 2019 19:34:56 GMT -5
To all of those looking, keep your chin up!!
My position was eliminated 6 weeks ago. My college age daughter told me to take a week off and just relax. Within 2 days, I updated my resume and started applying. I was fortunate that there were a lot of positions I could apply to.
Numerous interviews and numerous rejections (I was surprised how many companies actually were polite and professional enough to respond from an online application. Most times in the past it felt like my resume went into a black hole).
One company called me to say they chose another candidate. I thanked them for their time, really liked the company, and told HR to keep me on file if anything changed. Two weeks later the other candidate ended up not wanting to relocate, so HR called me back, I had 2 more interviews, and I received a job offer last Friday!! I start on Monday.
A recruiter friend of mine, met me for lunch the day I had the first call back interview. He said a lot of people would be offended by not being the first choice and would not have re-interviewed. I told him I understood if the other candidate had more industry experience and that is why they made the offer. In my last position they were ready to hire me, but then some legal issues arose, so they had to postpone hiring anyone new. I was patient, and 3 months later I had the job.
I'm not a super patient person, but it has worked in my favor. Heck I applied to contract positions and was going to apply to be a beer cart driver at the local golf courses this summer, which would have been fun!
Best of luck everyone!!
|
|
Pants
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 19:26:44 GMT -5
Posts: 7,579
|
Post by Pants on Jun 4, 2019 19:38:58 GMT -5
Remember that position I was recruiting for and I wondered if they were going to be paid more than me? So, I've been completely cut out of the salary negotiation part. I don't know what the offer or counter offer was. Harumph! That doesn't really suprise me. That part seemed more of a HR thing. Do you know how much the other people you over see make? I think most companies keep it so people don't know what other people make. Honestly it seems more professional to me. No, I've always known what the offers were for people I was hiring, and I can go into our comp system and see their salaries at any time.
|
|
justme
Senior Associate
Joined: Feb 10, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
Posts: 14,618
|
Post by justme on Jun 4, 2019 20:43:29 GMT -5
Remember that position I was recruiting for and I wondered if they were going to be paid more than me? So, I've been completely cut out of the salary negotiation part. I don't know what the offer or counter offer was. Harumph! That doesn't really suprise me. That part seemed more of a HR thing. Do you know how much the other people you over see make? I think most companies keep it so people don't know what other people make. Honestly it seems more professional to me. No, keeping salaries secret is how we've had such horribly stagnant income growth here. Not the only reason, but it doesn't help. My bosses haves always known what I make. It seems odd to not, how do they ever have raise discussions?
|
|
Works4me
Senior Member
Someone responded to your personal ad - a German Shepherd named Tara wants to have you for dinner...
Joined: May 5, 2012 12:11:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,522
|
Post by Works4me on Jun 5, 2019 2:31:38 GMT -5
Rukh - that does not sound good. The only time i have seen managers earn less than those they manage is in high end sales (think rainmakers in the multi million dollar range.) Does that in any way apply?
What ever happened with the guy who was poached your idea? Also, is it possible that your previous job underpaid you so severely that you settled for less than you should have, especially with your education and experience? Or that it has caused you to be perceived as being further down the food chain?
|
|
geenamercile
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:40:28 GMT -5
Posts: 2,495
|
Post by geenamercile on Jun 5, 2019 6:14:30 GMT -5
I have worked in places that have and have not known the salaries of those who were under me. For the places I didn't, raise's were based on reviews and you would receive between 1-5 percent based on your performance. If you felt like you should have a raise at a different time you would either bring it up to me or HR. We would contact the other and pretty much do another performance review, then HR would get in contact and discuss the actually dollar amount. These were pretty rare, but at both of those places from my own pay, and what I did know of what others told me they were on the higher end of the market. Personally I liked that those I saw daily or weekly didn't know what I was making it wasn't any of their business. In the places I worked where myself and the other mangers did know people's pay it become food for gossip, and I saw more then once where some one was hired on a higher amount based on personal reasons (they were friends at another job, knew them outside of work ect...) then qualifications. Or people would wine about someone else getting paid more then someone else because they just don't like the first person as much.
Rukh- If you are unhappy about your pay or think you should be paid more on your merits, job description ect... Then bring it up. But to just say I should get paid more because this person is getting paid more, to me just doesn't seem like a good reason.
|
|
Cookies Galore
Senior Associate
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 18:08:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,752
|
Post by Cookies Galore on Jun 5, 2019 6:23:23 GMT -5
To all of those looking, keep your chin up!! My position was eliminated 6 weeks ago. My college age daughter told me to take a week off and just relax. Within 2 days, I updated my resume and started applying. I was fortunate that there were a lot of positions I could apply to. Numerous interviews and numerous rejections (I was surprised how many companies actually were polite and professional enough to respond from an online application. Most times in the past it felt like my resume went into a black hole). One company called me to say they chose another candidate. I thanked them for their time, really liked the company, and told HR to keep me on file if anything changed. Two weeks later the other candidate ended up not wanting to relocate, so HR called me back, I had 2 more interviews, and I received a job offer last Friday!! I start on Monday. A recruiter friend of mine, met me for lunch the day I had the first call back interview. He said a lot of people would be offended by not being the first choice and would not have re-interviewed. I told him I understood if the other candidate had more industry experience and that is why they made the offer. In my last position they were ready to hire me, but then some legal issues arose, so they had to postpone hiring anyone new. I was patient, and 3 months later I had the job. I'm not a super patient person, but it has worked in my favor. Heck I applied to contract positions and was going to apply to be a beer cart driver at the local golf courses this summer, which would have been fun!Best of luck everyone!! That sounds delightful! Congrats on the new job!
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 5, 2019 10:36:47 GMT -5
Remember that position I was recruiting for and I wondered if they were going to be paid more than me? So, I've been completely cut out of the salary negotiation part. I don't know what the offer or counter offer was. Harumph! That doesn't really suprise me. That part seemed more of a HR thing. Do you know how much the other people you over see make? I think most companies keep it so people don't know what other people make. Honestly it seems more professional to me. this position is my direct report. How can I do my part on internal equity if I don't know anyone's salary?
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 5, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -5
That doesn't really suprise me. That part seemed more of a HR thing. Do you know how much the other people you over see make? I think most companies keep it so people don't know what other people make. Honestly it seems more professional to me. No, keeping salaries secret is how we've had such horribly stagnant income growth here. Not the only reason, but it doesn't help. My bosses haves always known what I make. It seems odd to not, how do they ever have raise discussions? stagnant - and inequitable It's a key way the gender and racial inequities persist.
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 10,090
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 5, 2019 10:38:50 GMT -5
To all of those looking, keep your chin up!! My position was eliminated 6 weeks ago. My college age daughter told me to take a week off and just relax. Within 2 days, I updated my resume and started applying. I was fortunate that there were a lot of positions I could apply to. Numerous interviews and numerous rejections (I was surprised how many companies actually were polite and professional enough to respond from an online application. Most times in the past it felt like my resume went into a black hole). One company called me to say they chose another candidate. I thanked them for their time, really liked the company, and told HR to keep me on file if anything changed. Two weeks later the other candidate ended up not wanting to relocate, so HR called me back, I had 2 more interviews, and I received a job offer last Friday!! I start on Monday. A recruiter friend of mine, met me for lunch the day I had the first call back interview. He said a lot of people would be offended by not being the first choice and would not have re-interviewed. I told him I understood if the other candidate had more industry experience and that is why they made the offer. In my last position they were ready to hire me, but then some legal issues arose, so they had to postpone hiring anyone new. I was patient, and 3 months later I had the job. I'm not a super patient person, but it has worked in my favor. Heck I applied to contract positions and was going to apply to be a beer cart driver at the local golf courses this summer, which would have been fun! Best of luck everyone!! congrats!!!
|
|