We had a terrorist, and we let him go

[jkapp]

It's weird, though, because the liberals kept saying how Guantanamo was just filled with farmers and goatherders...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/freed-guantanamo-convict-returns-to-the-fight/ar-AAggSbP?li=BBnba9K

Freed Guantanamo convict returns to the fight

A former Guantanamo detainee who was released to Sudan after a war court guilty plea has emerged in a key position in al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula, according to an expert on jihadist movements.

"He's clearly a religious leader in the group," said Aaron Zelin, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who edits the Jihadology blog. He found Guantanamo 2002-12 detainee Ibrahim al-Qosi _ his photo and his biography _ on the latest video release from the offshoot of Osama bin Laden's organization, "Guardians of Shariah."

At the time of al-Qosi's return to Sudan, Reichler said he looked forward to being reunited with his wife and family, including two daughters, "and live among them in peace, quiet and freedom." His wife at the time was the daughter of a former chief bodyguard to bin Laden.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 11, 2015 19:46:00 GMT -5 jkapp said:

It's weird, though, because the liberals kept saying how Guantanamo was just filled with farmers and goatherders...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/freed-guantanamo-convict-returns-to-the-fight/ar-AAggSbP?li=BBnba9K

Freed Guantanamo convict returns to the fight

A former Guantanamo detainee who was released to Sudan after a war court guilty plea has emerged in a key position in al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula, according to an expert on jihadist movements.

"He's clearly a religious leader in the group," said Aaron Zelin, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who edits the Jihadology blog. He found Guantanamo 2002-12 detainee Ibrahim al-Qosi _ his photo and his biography _ on the latest video release from the offshoot of Osama bin Laden's organization, "Guardians of Shariah."

At the time of al-Qosi's return to Sudan, Reichler said he looked forward to being reunited with his wife and family, including two daughters, "and live among them in peace, quiet and freedom." His wife at the time was the daughter of a former chief bodyguard to bin Laden.

actually, this doesn't mean a damned thing.  let me explain why.

let's say you were a goat farmer, and you got sent to some hell hole for 10 years, and then released.
let's say you went home, and your wife was remarried, your kids grown up, and your parents were dead.
let's say that you had no life any more- that your life was basically taken from you.

would that radicalize you?

i will answer honestly, now.  if that happened to me, i would want to kill every American i ever encountered.  i would want to kill as many Americans as i could.  and i would put my own life on the line to make that happen.  period.  my rage would know no limits.

the fact that some guy "returned to the fight" is absolutely meaningless.  at least to me.

but sure- you go right ahead and assume that us liberals are wrong.  you do that. 

[djAdvocate]

it's weird tho.  yeah.  that is one word for it.  if "grossly dishonest and utterly lacking in introspection" is what you mean by "weird".

treating people with utter inhumanity and expecting them to act honestly and humanely to you is totally absurd.

[jkapp]

Dec 11, 2015 20:00:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 11, 2015 19:46:00 GMT -5 jkapp said:

It's weird, though, because the liberals kept saying how Guantanamo was just filled with farmers and goatherders...

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/freed-guantanamo-convict-returns-to-the-fight/ar-AAggSbP?li=BBnba9K

Freed Guantanamo convict returns to the fight

A former Guantanamo detainee who was released to Sudan after a war court guilty plea has emerged in a key position in al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula, according to an expert on jihadist movements.

"He's clearly a religious leader in the group," said Aaron Zelin, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who edits the Jihadology blog. He found Guantanamo 2002-12 detainee Ibrahim al-Qosi _ his photo and his biography _ on the latest video release from the offshoot of Osama bin Laden's organization, "Guardians of Shariah."

At the time of al-Qosi's return to Sudan, Reichler said he looked forward to being reunited with his wife and family, including two daughters, "and live among them in peace, quiet and freedom." His wife at the time was the daughter of a former chief bodyguard to bin Laden.

actually, this doesn't mean a damned thing.  let me explain why.

let's say you were a goat farmer, and you got sent to some hell hole for 10 years, and then released.
let's say you went home, and your wife was remarried, your kids grown up, and your parents were dead.
let's say that you had no life any more- that your life was basically taken from you.

would that radicalize you?

i will answer honestly, now.  if that happened to me, i would want to kill every American i ever encountered.  i would want to kill as many Americans as i could.  and i would put my own life on the line to make that happen.  period.  my rage would know no limits.

the fact that some guy "returned to the fight" is absolutely meaningless.  at least to me.

but sure- you go right ahead and assume that us liberals are wrong.  you do that. 

I will, because you are wrong

...It also said he was close to bin Laden "until he was imprisoned in Guantanamo in 2001."

...Al-Qosi, a trained accountant, kept the books for a bin Laden business in Khartoum in the early '90s, according to Pentagon documents made public by WikiLeaks. He then followed bin Laden to Afghanistan in 1996. Because the timeline for war crimes only covers the era in Afghanistan, al-Qosi pleaded guilty to foot soldier crimes _ sometimes driving for bin Laden, working at al-Qaida's Star of Jihad compound in Jalalabad, and fleeing the post-Sept. 11 U.S. invasion to Tora Bora, armed with an AK-47 rifle.

...The AQAP video biography mirrors much of that noting, "he participated in the famous battle of Tora Bora" with bin Laden "until the withdrawal."

[djAdvocate]

Dec 11, 2015 21:51:51 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 11, 2015 20:00:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

actually, this doesn't mean a damned thing.  let me explain why.

let's say you were a goat farmer, and you got sent to some hell hole for 10 years, and then released.
let's say you went home, and your wife was remarried, your kids grown up, and your parents were dead.
let's say that you had no life any more- that your life was basically taken from you.

would that radicalize you?

i will answer honestly, now.  if that happened to me, i would want to kill every American i ever encountered.  i would want to kill as many Americans as i could.  and i would put my own life on the line to make that happen.  period.  my rage would know no limits.

the fact that some guy "returned to the fight" is absolutely meaningless.  at least to me.

but sure- you go right ahead and assume that us liberals are wrong.  you do that. 

I will, because you are wrong

...It also said he was close to bin Laden "until he was imprisoned in Guantanamo in 2001."

...Al-Qosi, a trained accountant, kept the books for a bin Laden business in Khartoum in the early '90s, according to Pentagon documents made public by WikiLeaks. He then followed bin Laden to Afghanistan in 1996. Because the timeline for war crimes only covers the era in Afghanistan, al-Qosi pleaded guilty to foot soldier crimes _ sometimes driving for bin Laden, working at al-Qaida's Star of Jihad compound in Jalalabad, and fleeing the post-Sept. 11 U.S. invasion to Tora Bora, armed with an AK-47 rifle.

...The AQAP video biography mirrors much of that noting, "he participated in the famous battle of Tora Bora" with bin Laden "until the withdrawal."

if he was close to bin Laden before 2001, then why was he released?  your whole argument makes no sense.

i am against the imprisonment and torture of innocents, jk.  if you are in favor of it, i would be greatly surprised.

one level below that, i am against the indefinite detention and the mistreatment of non-uniformed combatants, in accordance with the UMC and the GC. 

if we have any disagreement, it is probably on this second half.

[djAdvocate]

one last thing: nobody ever claimed that ALL of these guys were goat herders.  if you review the threads on this subject, i estimated 3-4 dozen very dangerous men.

but keep in mind that over 800 have gone through GITMO.  and sure, some released were no angels.  but many were completely innocent.

[fishy999]

So the exception proves your rule?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 12, 2015 1:07:19 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

So the exception proves your rule?

that's just it, right?  Virgil is trying to build the same case with refugees.

if you want to live in a completely safe world, you are going to have to build yourself a bunker on some remote mountain, and hope your food holds out.

otherwise, you will HAVE to take some risks to live in this world.  and yeah, depending on where you live, the risks will be quite great indeed.

but i would still much rather live in San Bernardino than Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Israel.  i can't see how anyone would feel differently.

am i suggesting that we just lie there naked and trusting?  of course not.  i am suggesting that we go about our business with heightened awareness, and most of all....

bravery.