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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2015 14:25:31 GMT -5
... For me, it's anger. Plain, pure and simple anger. And are you kicking the dog because of that anger?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 14:50:23 GMT -5
Of course not. I like all dogs better than I like most people. And I'm sure both people and dogs feel the same way about me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 15:02:41 GMT -5
So this thread has taken a turn for a bit more thoughtful tack.... excellent.
GEL- without getting into the metrics of how much fear there is vs. anger, I think that I understand your points about anger. I find that to be my biggest failing, and have tried to learn to allay my anger which comes naturally at times like this. I am actually a bit mortified with the ways I think when I succumb to it. Not "Christian" at all. Thus, I try to quell irrational anger when I feel it. It is why I didn't visit the Twin Tower site- Ground Zero- after 9-11. I absolutely agree with you. I don't think all anger is irrational, tho. I don't think that being angry at terrorists who take hundreds of lives is irrational. In fact, I think it's very rational. It's my opinion that if a person isn't angry, they are the ones with the problem!
I understand what you are saying. My knee-jerk response to being angry was that we and the rest of the sane world should go over and make sure the Syrian people can live in their own country without fear. Problem solved! After I had a minute or two to think about it, I realized I don't want to risk even more American lives in a ground assault.
I don't know what the right thing is. I know I'm mad as all hell and my heart hurts. That's about all I know.
ime angry people make bad decisions. so do fearful ones. i think anger and fear can be useful for survival, but i think they cloud judgment.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 17, 2015 15:08:46 GMT -5
Did he succumb to GOP pressure? I don't believe any Syrian refugees have broken any laws. His wife is a Korean immigrant and US citizen.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 17, 2015 15:11:02 GMT -5
Anger and fear are kinda supposed to cloud judgement . You are going to get eaten if you sit there and debate whether or not that's actually a saber tooth tiger or just the wind.
The problem is our world has become much more complex than that.
Saying you won't take in any refugees, IMO is security theatre. It sounds good to a frightened and angry public.
Here is the thing you don't know who is a terrorist and who isn't. They may already be in your community waiting to strike.
So while you've put on a grand show by closing your boarders you've actually solved nothing.
I wish we'd apply common sense and logic to security measures rather than a constant stream of knee jerk reactions.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 15:12:09 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with you. I don't think all anger is irrational, tho. I don't think that being angry at terrorists who take hundreds of lives is irrational. In fact, I think it's very rational. It's my opinion that if a person isn't angry, they are the ones with the problem!
I understand what you are saying. My knee-jerk response to being angry was that we and the rest of the sane world should go over and make sure the Syrian people can live in their own country without fear. Problem solved! After I had a minute or two to think about it, I realized I don't want to risk even more American lives in a ground assault.
I don't know what the right thing is. I know I'm mad as all hell and my heart hurts. That's about all I know.
ime angry people make bad decisions. so do fearful ones. i think anger and fear can be useful for survival, but i think they cloud judgment.
I think you are afraid to be angry.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 17, 2015 15:29:48 GMT -5
I have no problem with more immigrants. Canada needs immigrants. Having said that, there's one kind of immigrant that makes me angry.
As soon as Muslim immigrants set foot on our shores, the demands start.
"You have co-ed gyms at the university? That's going to have to change. We don't care that male students pay the same in student fees and can no longer use the gym between classes. We're special." "You don't have prayer rooms at this place of employment? That's going to have to change. We're special." "We don't agree with the approved school curriculum in public schools. That's going to have to change." You don't have a female doctor on call at the clinics and nursing homes? That's going to have to change." "You don't have Halal food in your cafeteria? That's going to have to change." "We don't like the zoning laws in the neighbourhood we live in. That's going to have to change." "You're a father who wants to be present during his daughter's swimming lessons? Sorry, we changed that. This community pool is for women only now. We're special. Go home."
Does it make me angry? Yes, very.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 15:32:11 GMT -5
ime angry people make bad decisions. so do fearful ones. i think anger and fear can be useful for survival, but i think they cloud judgment.
I think you are afraid to be angry.
i actually don't even understand the anger. why are you angry?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 15:33:41 GMT -5
Anger and fear are kinda supposed to cloud judgement . You are going to get eaten if you sit there and debate whether or not that's actually a saber tooth tiger or just the wind. The problem is our world has become much more complex than that. Saying you won't take in any refugees, IMO is security theatre. It sounds good to a frightened and angry public. Here is the thing you don't know who is a terrorist and who isn't. They may already be in your community waiting to strike. So while you've put on a grand show by closing your boarders you've actually solved nothing. I wish we'd apply common sense and logic to security measures rather than a constant stream of knee jerk reactions. this country governs by crisis management. it is actually a super annoying facet of our domestic and foreign policy- but it also makes us incredibly easy to manipulate.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 15:57:52 GMT -5
I think you are afraid to be angry.
i actually don't even understand the anger. why are you angry? Hopefully, you knew that was a joke. I rarely use those dumb emoticons but I knew you were smart enough to get it.
If you honestly can't understand why I'm angry, no amount of explanation from me will matter. Why are you not angry? And please....don't give me the "it doesn't do any good" stuff. First of all, I'll disagree. Second of all, I'll assert that it does more good than sitting back with a unicorney rainbowey kiddie glovie Iluvevvvvverrrybuddy and lets just stay calm stuff that is exactly what has gotten us to where we are now.
I suppose one of the reasons I'm angry is out of frustration. I don't have an answer and I doubt anybody else does either. This type of stuff is destined to go on till the end of time - just as it's gone on since the beginning of time. I guess I've seen one more picture of a dead child than I could take and still be all sympathetic and understanding and calm. If you can, you are a far stronger person than I am. I'll certainly not argue that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 16:06:18 GMT -5
i actually don't even understand the anger. why are you angry? Hopefully, you knew that was a joke. I rarely use those dumb emoticons but I knew you were smart enough to get it.
i try to take everything at face value, GEL.
If you honestly can't understand why I'm angry, no amount of explanation from me will matter.
don't assume so much. i am a really good listener. give me a chance!
Why are you not angry? And please....don't give me the "it doesn't do any good" stuff.
because i am generally only angry when i am personally affected, and when i feel that it was totally unjustified. in the case of Paris, i was not personally affected, so i am concerned, and sympathetic to Parisians, but i am not really angry.
First of all, I'll disagree. Second of all, I'll assert that it does more good than sitting back with a unicorney rainbowey kiddie glovie Iluvevvvvverrrybuddy and lets just stay calm stuff that is exactly what has gotten us to where we are now.
i am not belittling you for your anger, GEL. please don't belittle me for my calm. but if you are thinking that i am not angry because i am sympathetic to ISIS or something, then you are way way off. i couldn't be less sympathetic. however, i don't think, for example, bombing the shit out of them, is going to change things for the better. and if i did, i would not, for one second, hesitate to advocate that.
I suppose one of the reasons I'm angry is out of frustration. I don't have an answer and I doubt anybody else does either. This type of stuff is destined to go on till the end of time - just as it's gone on since the beginning of time. I guess I've seen one more picture of a dead child than I could take and still be all sympathetic and understanding and calm. If you can, you are a far stronger person than I am. I'll certainly not argue that.
i think it is only destined to go on as long as we fail to understand it. and i honestly don't think it is that difficult to understand. but it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand if you make the set of assumptions that Bush/Cheney and half the country has made: that these are evil, irrational people who will stop at nothing in their quest for global domination. that is an idiotic assumption- it has no basis in fact whatsoever- and it will end up precisely as you have stated above, in endless war and chaos. i invite you to consider who that endless war and chaos serves. i am sure you will come to the same conclusions i have.
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Post by Ombud on Nov 17, 2015 16:09:41 GMT -5
IMO we should take a lesson from the Moroccan playbook as they seem to have a handle on combating it
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 16:12:55 GMT -5
GEL- i should probably add one more thing. i find anger a much more productive response than fear. at least angry people push out, and engage the world, rather than recoil and cocoon. the cocooning is going to be the end of us, imo. we absolutely need to ENGAGE this problem, imo. and since i think it has a rational basis, there is actually a rational strategy for dealing with it.
i will now sit back and prepare for the baragge of posts assuming i am some kind of hippy warrior wanting to stick flowers down the AK-47's of ISIS, without ever asking me what i am actually advocating.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 16:13:18 GMT -5
IMO we should take a lesson from the Moroccan playbook as they seem to have a handle on combating it what lessons might those be? ps- thank you in advance for not calling me a f*&king idiot for asking.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 16:21:42 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Except that the pictures of dead children I see when I close my eyes are the refugee toddlers washing up on beaches. Like you, I don't know what the answer is. I feel certain that a hardline "no more Syrian refugees" stance by the U.S. is going to lead to more innocent deaths, but there is risk on the other side as well. i see pictures of the children that died when we bombed Iraq: innocent lives, collateral damages. ISIS has no business in Syria. we had no business in Iraq. if you were caught between those two sides, who would you choose?
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Post by wyouser on Nov 17, 2015 16:22:45 GMT -5
State count was up to 31 at lunch time. Soccer match in Hannover Germany between the German and Dutch National Teams cancelled due to what is reported as a dummy Ambulance containing explosives. (also happening during lunchtime. (that's catching one at the 11th hour. ) Anybody up on their Roman history? This all sounds like an historical replay. Germanic tribes at that time were being driven west by barbarians further east. Just like civil war and genocide forcing people to flee places like Syria in the middle east today. Whole tribes wanted in, Romans tried in fits and turns to keep them out or let select numbers in. The Romans didn't treat them all that well all the time. ,Then they let them into the military as mercenaries (Let the Germans fight the Germans) We all know how that finally ended when one of the German chieftans looked at the boy Emperor Romulus Augustulas and asked "Why Am I Serving You?"
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Nov 17, 2015 16:23:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with more immigrants. Canada needs immigrants. Having said that, there's one kind of immigrant that makes me angry.
As soon as Muslim immigrants set foot on our shores, the demands start.
"You have co-ed gyms at the university? That's going to have to change. We don't care that male students pay the same in student fees and can no longer use the gym between classes. We're special." "You don't have prayer rooms at this place of employment? That's going to have to change. We're special." "We don't agree with the approved school curriculum in public schools. That's going to have to change." You don't have a female doctor on call at the clinics and nursing homes? That's going to have to change." "You don't have Halal food in your cafeteria? That's going to have to change." "We don't like the zoning laws in the neighbourhood we live in. That's going to have to change." "You're a father who wants to be present during his daughter's swimming lessons? Sorry, we changed that. This community pool is for women only now. We're special. Go home."
Does it make me angry? Yes, very. And then this happens...
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 16:24:00 GMT -5
ha. Luton. always found that town name funny.
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Post by Ombud on Nov 17, 2015 16:24:47 GMT -5
IMO we should take a lesson from the Moroccan playbook as they seem to have a handle on combating it what lessons might those be? ps- thank you in advance for not calling me a f*&king idiot for asking. A lot don't understand. At the French, German, Israeli consulate Commonwealth Club presentation on Terrorism that I attended, French & German consulates touted surveillance / containment / inclusion into society to lessen appeal. Israeli counsel stated Moroccans combat it by touting their culture. To join Daesh brings dishonor to the father. Bc Moroccans are so connected to the father's honor, it loses its appeal All borders within the Middle East are arbitrary (Moroccan view) as tribal / family ties trump all Another presentation held by Lebanese mentioned how they are being crushed by them (Beirut bombing dn get enough coverage IMHO)
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 16:34:17 GMT -5
Hopefully, you knew that was a joke. I rarely use those dumb emoticons but I knew you were smart enough to get it.
i try to take everything at face value, GEL.
If you honestly can't understand why I'm angry, no amount of explanation from me will matter.
don't assume so much. i am a really good listener. give me a chance!
Why are you not angry? And please....don't give me the "it doesn't do any good" stuff.
because i am generally only angry when i am personally affected, and when i feel that it was totally unjustified. in the case of Paris, i was not personally affected, so i am concerned, and sympathetic to Parisians, but i am not really angry.
First of all, I'll disagree. Second of all, I'll assert that it does more good than sitting back with a unicorney rainbowey kiddie glovie Iluvevvvvverrrybuddy and lets just stay calm stuff that is exactly what has gotten us to where we are now.
i am not belittling you for your anger, GEL. please don't belittle me for my calm. but if you are thinking that i am not angry because i am sympathetic to ISIS or something, then you are way way off. i couldn't be less sympathetic. however, i don't think, for example, bombing the shit out of them, is going to change things for the better. and if i did, i would not, for one second, hesitate to advocate that.
I suppose one of the reasons I'm angry is out of frustration. I don't have an answer and I doubt anybody else does either. This type of stuff is destined to go on till the end of time - just as it's gone on since the beginning of time. I guess I've seen one more picture of a dead child than I could take and still be all sympathetic and understanding and calm. If you can, you are a far stronger person than I am. I'll certainly not argue that.
i think it is only destined to go on as long as we fail to understand it. and i honestly don't think it is that difficult to understand. but it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand if you make the set of assumptions that Bush/Cheney and half the country has made: that these are evil, irrational people who will stop at nothing in their quest for global domination. that is an idiotic assumption- it has no basis in fact whatsoever- and it will end up precisely as you have stated above, in endless war and chaos. i invite you to consider who that endless war and chaos serves. i am sure you will come to the same conclusions i have.
The comment about unicorns was most certainly not aimed at you but at the people who actually make decisions. I don't intentionally insult people since I've grown up. A thinking person doesn't have to do that to debate an issue. I have done so on occasion by typing something without thinking and apologized for it, but it was absolutely not a jab at you.
Ok. So tell me. What are we to understand and once we gain that insight, what will that understanding accomplish?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 16:37:59 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Except that the pictures of dead children I see when I close my eyes are the refugee toddlers washing up on beaches. Like you, I don't know what the answer is. I feel certain that a hardline "no more Syrian refugees" stance by the U.S. is going to lead to more innocent deaths, but there is risk on the other side as well. That is exactly the last picture I was referring to. A dead child is a dead child. I don't care who they belong to. I'm not advocating a "no more Syrian refugee" stance - not in any way.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 16:41:59 GMT -5
GEL- i should probably add one more thing. i find anger a much more productive response than fear. at least angry people push out, and engage the world, rather than recoil and cocoon. the cocooning is going to be the end of us, imo. we absolutely need to ENGAGE this problem, imo. and since i think it has a rational basis, there is actually a rational strategy for dealing with it. i will now sit back and prepare for the baragge of posts assuming i am some kind of hippy warrior wanting to stick flowers down the AK-47's of ISIS, without ever asking me what i am actually advocating.
I wouldn't get that close if I were you. Just sayin'.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 17:16:40 GMT -5
GEL- i should probably add one more thing. i find anger a much more productive response than fear. at least angry people push out, and engage the world, rather than recoil and cocoon. the cocooning is going to be the end of us, imo. we absolutely need to ENGAGE this problem, imo. and since i think it has a rational basis, there is actually a rational strategy for dealing with it. i will now sit back and prepare for the baragge of posts assuming i am some kind of hippy warrior wanting to stick flowers down the AK-47's of ISIS, without ever asking me what i am actually advocating.
I wouldn't get that close if I were you. Just sayin'.
trust me, i don't plan on it.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Nov 17, 2015 17:18:07 GMT -5
I'm proud that Gov Inslee (WA) is not giving in to tbe hysteria. Sometimes you do the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 17:22:53 GMT -5
i think it is only destined to go on as long as we fail to understand it. and i honestly don't think it is that difficult to understand. but it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand if you make the set of assumptions that Bush/Cheney and half the country has made: that these are evil, irrational people who will stop at nothing in their quest for global domination. that is an idiotic assumption- it has no basis in fact whatsoever- and it will end up precisely as you have stated above, in endless war and chaos. i invite you to consider who that endless war and chaos serves. i am sure you will come to the same conclusions i have.
The comment about unicorns was most certainly not aimed at you but at the people who actually make decisions. I don't intentionally insult people since I've grown up. A thinking person doesn't have to do that to debate an issue. I have done so on occasion by typing something without thinking and apologized for it, but it was absolutely not a jab at you.
Ok. So tell me. What are we to understand and once we gain that insight, what will that understanding accomplish?
first of all, we have made the assumption that there is NO strategic goal to suicide terrorism. we are assuming that these people WANT to die, to get their 72 virgins. they are constantly mocked for it in the media (both left and right, but particularly right). that assumption is totally wrong. now, like the Kamakazis, they don't fear death, but that doesn't mean that they die pointlessly, or for themselves. rather, they see themselves as the vanguard of a community of committed Muslims that will engender change by scaring the crap out of Westerners. and this strategy has been, by and large, successful (i can illustrate this through dozens of examples, if you like, but i would suggest that you just trust me on this to avoid clouding the discussion). so the first hurdle to overcome is to convince people that there IS actually a goal to all of this "madness". if people are just going to roll their eyes without even CONSIDERING this idea, then we are without hope, and we are trapped in an Orwellian nightmare of perpetual war. i will breathlessly await whether anyone here is willing to CONSIDER this idea before i continue. note: i promised myself i would spend less time doing this at work, so i might not be back today. but i will check back in tonight.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 17, 2015 17:26:09 GMT -5
what lessons might those be? ps- thank you in advance for not calling me a f*&king idiot for asking. A lot don't understand. At the French, German, Israeli consulate Commonwealth Club presentation on Terrorism that I attended, French & German consulates touted surveillance / containment / inclusion into society to lessen appeal. Israeli counsel stated Moroccans combat it by touting their culture. To join Daesh brings dishonor to the father. Bc Moroccans are so connected to the father's honor, it loses its appeal All borders within the Middle East are arbitrary (Moroccan view) as tribal / family ties trump all Another presentation held by Lebanese mentioned how they are being crushed by them (Beirut bombing dn get enough coverage IMHO) this is a very rational approach. first, you diagnose the vector along witch the contagion is spread, then you inoculate against that. very clever. i am sure that you have noted that not a bullet needs be shed for this to work.
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Post by Ombud on Nov 17, 2015 17:35:13 GMT -5
A lot don't understand. At the French, German, Israeli consulate Commonwealth Club presentation on Terrorism that I attended, French & German consulates touted surveillance / containment / inclusion into society to lessen appeal. Israeli counsel stated Moroccans combat it by touting their culture. To join Daesh brings dishonor to the father. Bc Moroccans are so connected to the father's honor, it loses its appeal All borders within the Middle East are arbitrary (Moroccan view) as tribal / family ties trump all Another presentation held by Lebanese mentioned how they are being crushed by them (Beirut bombing dn get enough coverage IMHO) this is a very rational approach. first, you diagnose the vector along witch the contagion is spread, then you inoculate against that. very clever. i am sure that you have noted that not a bullet needs be shed for this to work. Nor do you remove them from their family base. The family must remain intact for family honor to work
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 17, 2015 19:01:30 GMT -5
The comment about unicorns was most certainly not aimed at you but at the people who actually make decisions. I don't intentionally insult people since I've grown up. A thinking person doesn't have to do that to debate an issue. I have done so on occasion by typing something without thinking and apologized for it, but it was absolutely not a jab at you.
Ok. So tell me. What are we to understand and once we gain that insight, what will that understanding accomplish?
first of all, we have made the assumption that there is NO strategic goal to suicide terrorism. we are assuming that these people WANT to die, to get their 72 virgins. they are constantly mocked for it in the media (both left and right, but particularly right). that assumption is totally wrong. now, like the Kamakazis, they don't fear death, but that doesn't mean that they die pointlessly, or for themselves. rather, they see themselves as the vanguard of a community of committed Muslims that will engender change by scaring the crap out of Westerners. and this strategy has been, by and large, successful (i can illustrate this through dozens of examples, if you like, but i would suggest that you just trust me on this to avoid clouding the discussion). so the first hurdle to overcome is to convince people that there IS actually a goal to all of this "madness". if people are just going to roll their eyes without even CONSIDERING this idea, then we are without hope, and we are trapped in an Orwellian nightmare of perpetual war. i will breathlessly await whether anyone here is willing to CONSIDER this idea before i continue. note: i promised myself i would spend less time doing this at work, so i might not be back today. but i will check back in tonight. I don't think any person with half a brain cell thinks they all want to die to get their virgins. I do see the mocking. But then I see the mocking of Christian beliefs all the time, too. I guess one doesn't make any particular impact over another as I'm pretty used to it and ignore it unless I'm in a pretty bad mood. I certainly don't think they all want to die. I think they want others to die and if they die accomplishing that, it's ok with them, too.
What change do you think they are trying to engender? I fully admit knowing next to nothing other than the few Muslims I'm acquainted with are not terroristic, evil beings who try to hurt others. I'm not rolling my eyes. You mention a desire to engender a change and a goal. What are they? And if you can be specific, what would an understanding (assuming people don't already understand) accomplish in the vein of putting a stop to it?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 17, 2015 19:02:39 GMT -5
Reposting here because it's relevant to the discussion: A friend forwarded this video. It's frightening to watch. buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-disturbing-muslim-refugee-video-you-will-ever-see/The first 3:20 is just a montage. You can watch it, but I recommend forwarding to 3:20 where the actual documentary starts. The topic is Europe's demographic nightmare, and the effects this refugee influx is having. If you're sensitive to the abuse of women, the video will be particularly poignant. Watch until at least 12:00.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 17, 2015 20:13:44 GMT -5
first of all, we have made the assumption that there is NO strategic goal to suicide terrorism. we are assuming that these people WANT to die, to get their 72 virgins. they are constantly mocked for it in the media (both left and right, but particularly right). that assumption is totally wrong. now, like the Kamakazis, they don't fear death, but that doesn't mean that they die pointlessly, or for themselves. rather, they see themselves as the vanguard of a community of committed Muslims that will engender change by scaring the crap out of Westerners. and this strategy has been, by and large, successful (i can illustrate this through dozens of examples, if you like, but i would suggest that you just trust me on this to avoid clouding the discussion). so the first hurdle to overcome is to convince people that there IS actually a goal to all of this "madness". if people are just going to roll their eyes without even CONSIDERING this idea, then we are without hope, and we are trapped in an Orwellian nightmare of perpetual war. i will breathlessly await whether anyone here is willing to CONSIDER this idea before i continue. note: i promised myself i would spend less time doing this at work, so i might not be back today. but i will check back in tonight. I don't think any person with half a brain cell thinks they all want to die to get their virgins. I do see the mocking. But then I see the mocking of Christian beliefs all the time, too. I guess one doesn't make any particular impact over another as I'm pretty used to it and ignore it unless I'm in a pretty bad mood. I certainly don't think they all want to die. I think they want others to die and if they die accomplishing that, it's ok with them, too.
What change do you think they are trying to engender? I fully admit knowing next to nothing other than the few Muslims I'm acquainted with are not terroristic, evil beings who try to hurt others. I'm not rolling my eyes. You mention a desire to engender a change and a goal. What are they? And if you can be specific, what would an understanding (assuming people don't already understand) accomplish in the vein of putting a stop to it?
To me, a key is to isolate the strategy being used. Terrorism has been used throughout history by many different groups. The goal of a terror attack is to get a particular type reaction. That reaction is what you read is happening today. They want European powers to attack. They love the call for boots on the ground and hope it happens. They want the reaction they are getting to Syrian refugees. They want oppression. They trust that Newton's Third Law will come into play.
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