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Post by jambo101 on Nov 11, 2015 2:50:04 GMT -5
For what seems a lifetime i've been made aware of the benefits of trying to live an environmentally friendly lifestyle, recycle what i can,dont used motor oil down the drain, put garbage in its place,drive an economical car, see the benefits of wind/hydro and solar power etc. Seems this attention to environmental awareness doesnt apply to Montreals municipal government as they will be dumping 8 billion liters of raw untreated sewage into the St Lawrence river over the next 10 days,everything that gets flushed into the sewers from private to industrial sources will be going straight into the river so a section of construction on a new bridge can be completed. I find this to be unacceptable. appalling
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 11, 2015 9:42:22 GMT -5
All cities ultimately have to upgrade their sewer infrastructure but this is the first city i've heard of whos only option is to run all the untreated sewage into the local river for 2 weeks while the work is being done.Montreal has a population of 4 million,thats a lot of residential and industrial waste.
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 12, 2015 3:56:15 GMT -5
While most people dont care about this issue and think its just a Montreal thing there are a lot of cities bordering the great lakes and adjacent rivers lets hope they arent going to resort to Montreals example when it come time to upgrade their wastewater treatment infrastructures or we could be seeing a return to making the great lakes and related waterways into an environmental toxic wasteland once again.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 4:57:04 GMT -5
All cities ultimately have to upgrade their sewer infrastructure but this is the first city i've heard of whos only option is to run all the untreated sewage into the local river for 2 weeks while the work is being done.Montreal has a population of 4 million,thats a lot of residential and industrial waste. If you have a better solution, let's hear it. Victoria B.C. dumps 62 million liters of raw sewage, industrial and pharmaceutical waste into its waters every single day, year round. At least we're only doing it for 7 days to perform much-needed repairs.
You said you're aware of an environmentally friendly lifestyle. I'm an environmental fanatic, and even I can't muster up enough outrage. It has to be done to prevent further problems.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 5:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 12, 2015 6:04:21 GMT -5
In this day and age the best we can come up with is to 8 billion liters of the cities residential and industrial effluent into the river? and what of all the other cities on the Great Lakes and adjacent rivers are they going to follow Montreals example and just all their sewage into the river when they decide to revamp their own wastewater infrastructures? I cant believe the current path of Montreals sewage system cant be temporarily diverted or stored while this construction is undertaken.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 12:33:28 GMT -5
In this day and age the best we can come up with is to 8 billion liters of the cities residential and industrial effluent into the river? and what of all the other cities on the Great Lakes and adjacent rivers are they going to follow Montreals example and just all their sewage into the river when they decide to revamp their own wastewater infrastructures? I cant believe the current path of Montreals sewage system cant be temporarily diverted or stored while this construction is undertaken. Well, why don't you come up with something? All the environmental engineers in Montreal couldn't come up with another solution. Yeah, we could build a temporary storage system. It will cost about 1.5 billion dollars and will be used once. Do you consider that a viable option?
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 12, 2015 12:56:00 GMT -5
Rent one of those large tanker ships that are close by in the port, . Dig a large temporary retention pond. Create temporary detours for the effluent while work is being done on one section at a time. Put this thing to good use= then blow it up when the work is done
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 13:10:22 GMT -5
Rent one of those large tanker ships that are close by in the port, . Dig a large temporary retention pond. Create temporary detours for the effluent while work is being done on one section at a time. Put this thing to good use= then blow it up when the work is done Rent a ship? One ship? It would probably be a good idea to research these options before posting.
It would take about 200 ships with a load capacity of 36,000 tonnes each to do the job. It would cost about $40,000 per ship, per day. That's $8 million per day while the work is being done. We have about 20 such ships, so we'd have to buy them or build them.
What services would you like to see cut so we could pay for all this?
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 12, 2015 15:53:19 GMT -5
These so called engineers are going to build a bridge that spans the St Lawrence river i cant believe they cant come up with a better solution than to just open a valve and the equivalent of 200 tanker ships of raw sewage into the river, What to give up to pay for the alternative? how about that billion and a half tax payer dollars the government is about to give the failing aircraft company Bombardier.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 18:33:25 GMT -5
These so called engineers are going to build a bridge that spans the St Lawrence river i cant believe they cant come up with a better solution than to just open a valve and the equivalent of 200 tanker ships of raw sewage into the river, What to give up to pay for the alternative? how about that billion and a half tax payer dollars the government is about to give the failing aircraft company Bombardier. Bombardier employs about 80,000 people, about 25,000 in Ontario and Quebec alone. If it goes under, taxpayers will be on the hook for a lot more than that in unemployment payouts. You have to look at the bigger picture.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 12, 2015 18:41:16 GMT -5
Besides, when Ottawa bailed out GM, it sold its shares of the stock for $3.26 billion. It's an investment.
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 13, 2015 0:52:48 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of governments propping up failing businesses with tax payer dollars gambling on the chance the failing business will become a success in the future. However I guess the whole issue is now moot as the dumping of the sewage has begun and will continue till the work is done. I got a chuckle watching Denis getting lowered into the pit yesterday . Our Mayor
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 14, 2015 23:30:28 GMT -5
It's over. Four days and it's over.
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 15, 2015 3:45:34 GMT -5
Very good news IMO, However 4 days seems a very short time to renovate a sewage treatment system, what did they actually do?..
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 15, 2015 5:23:16 GMT -5
The sewer repair work that led the city of Montreal to raw sewage directly into the St. Lawrence river was completed three days early, the city announced Saturday.
In a statement, the city reported its waste water was once again being treated normally after 89 hours of work.
Early Wednesday, the city began dumping billions of litres of raw sewage into the river to access and perform critical repair work on the support arches of a major sanitary sewer as well as relocate a snow chute.
www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/montreal-sewage--wraps-up-three-days-ahead-of-schedule/article27264915/
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Post by verrip1 on Nov 15, 2015 13:42:23 GMT -5
Very good news IMO, However 4 days seems a very short time to renovate a sewage treatment system, what did they actually do?.. Hmmm, a lifetime of environmental activism and moral outrage over the project, but can't find a few minutes to look up what the actual work was. Such commitment!
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Post by jambo101 on Nov 15, 2015 15:27:22 GMT -5
A lifetime? thats a big conclusion to jump to as the project was only announced a few weeks ago. As for the outrage some of us care that garbage and sewage goes into our ecosystem obviously others couldnt care less. The project was probably over embellished by the media and the public was given to believe many kilometers of the system were to be renovated and repaired,seems it was a lot smaller job after all. The plan
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