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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 10, 2015 16:26:21 GMT -5
My issue is any time this is brought up, especially if it is a woman talking about it you're labeled as whiny and told you need to stop your bitching the war is over.
I'd be curious to find out if a man brought up better paternity leave packages and the option to be "daddy tracked" would he be told to quit whining? Or would he be considered innovative and a trail blazer?
My guess is probably neither he'd face an entirely different set of cultural biases that are just as problematic for him as those regarding women are for us.
There really do need to be more men in this discussion. Dissolving as many of the underlying biases regarding gender would benefit both parties.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 10, 2015 16:31:53 GMT -5
Which can often prove to be a trap for women, as those types of behaviors can be viewed very differently depending on the gender of the person doing the self promotion. Yes, I agree, biases can come into play. But some women may be just as good or better than their co workers, but be missing that critical element. Men can miss it too. But a woman might perceive it as sexism. it all depends on the situation. As I said, it's hard to be objective in topics like this, because it all comes down to perceptions people have of themselves or each other. What critical element? A penis? I am not talking about women not self promoting, or establishing themselves. I am talking about that when they try, they are viewed as pushy, abrasive, difficult, etc. Where a man doing the same is viewed as a go-getter and a leader. This is not a new phenomena. There are absolutely biases at play here - but I don't necessarily think it's the bias of the person not getting the promotion that is at the core of the problem. Gender Bias at Work Turns Up in FeedbackThe abrasiveness trap: High-achieving men and women are described differently in reviews
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 10, 2015 16:36:38 GMT -5
My issue is any time this is brought up, especially if it is a woman talking about it you're labeled as whiny and told you need to stop your bitching the war is over. I'd be curious to find out if a man brought up better paternity leave packages and the option to be "daddy tracked" would he be told to quit whining? Or would he be considered innovative and a trail blazer? My guess is probably neither he'd face an entirely different set of cultural biases that are just as problematic for him as those regarding women are for us. There really do need to be more men in this discussion. Dissolving as many of the underlying biases regarding gender would benefit both parties. Yes, I agree more men need to be involved, but it can be a real minefield for men. Many of the men here have received backlash for thei comments. Perhaps some of it is justified, but it's something to consider.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 10, 2015 16:38:31 GMT -5
I'd be interested in research that shows how women view other women in hiring/promotion. Does the gender gap still exist?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2015 16:43:21 GMT -5
My issue is any time this is brought up, especially if it is a woman talking about it you're labeled as whiny and told you need to stop your bitching the war is over. I'd be curious to find out if a man brought up better paternity leave packages and the option to be "daddy tracked" would he be told to quit whining? Or would he be considered innovative and a trail blazer? My guess is probably neither he'd face an entirely different set of cultural biases that are just as problematic for him as those regarding women are for us. There really do need to be more men in this discussion. Dissolving as many of the underlying biases regarding gender would benefit both parties. Yes, I agree more men need to be involved, but it can be a real minefield for men. Many of the men here have received backlash for thei comments. Perhaps some of it is justified, but it's something to consider. I know I am hesitant to comment too much.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Nov 10, 2015 16:43:45 GMT -5
Yes, I agree more men need to be involved, but it can be a real minefield for men. Many of the men here have received backlash for thei comments. Perhaps some of it is justified, but it's something to consider. I know I am hesitant to comment too much. ROFL. Since when...
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2015 16:46:38 GMT -5
I know I am hesitant to comment too much. ROFL. Since when... On this topic, June 23, 2014 2:43 pm PDT.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Nov 10, 2015 16:47:17 GMT -5
On this topic, June 23, 2014 2:43 pm PDT. I remember it fondly.
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Post by milee on Nov 10, 2015 16:59:50 GMT -5
Yes, I agree, biases can come into play. But some women may be just as good or better than their co workers, but be missing that critical element. Men can miss it too. But a woman might perceive it as sexism. it all depends on the situation. As I said, it's hard to be objective in topics like this, because it all comes down to perceptions people have of themselves or each other. What critical element? A penis? I am not talking about women not self promoting, or establishing themselves. I am talking about that when they try, they are viewed as pushy, abrasive, difficult, etc. Where a man doing the same is viewed as a go-getter and a leader. This is not a new phenomena. There are absolutely biases at play here - but I don't necessarily think it's the bias of the person not getting the promotion that is at the core of the problem. Gender Bias at Work Turns Up in FeedbackThe abrasiveness trap: High-achieving men and women are described differently in reviewsThat is consistent with my experience in publicly traded companies and in the (then) Big Six Accounting Firms. At the time I was in public accounting in Phoenix, of all the Big Six firms in the entire state of Arizona there was only one female partner - at Deloitte. The firm I was with was informally considered the "top" firm in the area and had no female partners. Very odd, since one of the senior managers - a woman - personally brought in approximately 20% - 25% of the revenue in the two largest divisions. She was stuck at senior manager because the guys considered her a bitch and not a "team player". And she was kind of a bitch, but no more so than any of the successful men. Her actions were described as bitchy, bossy, aggressive and calculating. The same actions in the men were described as bold, assertive and leadership.
She did eventually make partner, several years after less qualified men who brought in less business. During the time she was in holding pattern, here are the descriptions of a few of the men who made partner:
Bill S. - Hothead. Abusive to staff. Would publicly berate new people who made a mistake and throw actual temper tantrums when things went wrong. He literally threw a stapler at a staffperson during one such tantrum.
Dan N. - Bitter that his wife left him for a woman. Would harass female staff. Left customized pornography on the desk of one of my friends (sort of cartoon based, he'd filled in her "head" and features on the female character). Stalked her. When she talked to HR, they fired her and within a year had promoted him to partner.
Oh, and neither of these guys brought in half the business that the woman did. But they got along great with the other male partners and were all golfing buddies.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Nov 10, 2015 17:00:03 GMT -5
Many women on this board are in male dominated fields. Each experience is different, however how many individual experiences are we talking about when we start spouting our professional work environments? Not many. The Captain has been at her company for most of her career (assumption based on things she has said). Miss T has worked in public accounting and industry, but for how many companies?
I know my experience with my 3 companies is not all inclusive. I did have to leave my last company because I grew stagnant with no place to go in the company (owner was the only person above me). My current company is very open to whatever path you want to take. They have a management track and a technical track. But they are also open to working reduced hours. My division manager only works 32 hours a week. Her husband is also in the company and does global services so he travels a lot. Is she going to be to stay on reduced hours when she moves up? No, but right now while her kids are little she can.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Nov 10, 2015 17:18:02 GMT -5
That is consistent with my experience in publicly traded companies and in the (then) Big Six Accounting Firms. At the time I was in public accounting in Phoenix, of all the Big Six firms in the entire state of Arizona there was only one female partner - at Deloitte. The firm I was with was informally considered the "top" firm in the area and had no female partners. Very odd, since one of the senior managers - a woman - personally brought in approximately 20% - 25% of the revenue in the two largest divisions. She was stuck at senior manager because the guys considered her a bitch and not a "team player". And she was kind of a bitch, but no more so than any of the successful men. Her actions were described as bitchy, bossy, aggressive and calculating. The same actions in the men were described as bold, assertive and leadership.
She did eventually make partner, several years after less qualified men who brought in less business. During the time she was in holding pattern, here are the descriptions of a few of the men who made partner:
Bill S. - Hothead. Abusive to staff. Would publicly berate new people who made a mistake and throw actual temper tantrums when things went wrong. He literally threw a stapler at a staffperson during one such tantrum.
Dan N. - Bitter that his wife left him for a woman. Would harass female staff. Left customized pornography on the desk of one of my friends (sort of cartoon based, he'd filled in her "head" and features on the female character). Stalked her. When she talked to HR, they fired her and within a year had promoted him to partner.
Oh, and neither of these guys brought in half the business that the woman did. But they got along great with the other male partners and were all golfing buddies.
And this is probably why I continue to be astounded at the stupidity coming from both my big 4 audit team and my aunt's. We've got two of the four covered between us. We share omg how can they be this stupid stories. The firm I left had one female junior partner. The full partners were all male. There was only one female manager on track to be partner. The old guy finally left completely and the one lady became a full partner then. The manager was something between manager and junior partner with an equity stake. Personally my organization has pushed hiring women for top leadership positions to our detriment. I'm sure there are females somewhere who would be competent but we didn't hire them!! I feel like this hurts females as well when unqualified ones are hired to check a box and all the better if they are a minority too. To be fair the last guy in is a moron too. I think they went looking for people to toe the party line. Not quite sure how my boss slipped past them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 17:46:40 GMT -5
So they didn't just hire women to check off a box, they got what they were looking for.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Nov 10, 2015 17:50:48 GMT -5
Perhaps. Maybe they just happen to be women because guys don't deal with that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 17:57:24 GMT -5
I'd be interested in research that shows how women view other women in hiring/promotion. Does the gender gap still exist? Yep. These attitudes are taught to everyone from a very young age and some women are also guilty of the bias. I've read reports that say that oppressed people can respond in a few different ways. On one hand there are those that rebel against it and fight it any way they can. Then there are those that identify with the oppressors and try to distance themselves from the oppressed. And of course there are those that just go along.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 10, 2015 18:05:39 GMT -5
That is consistent with my experience in publicly traded companies and in the (then) Big Six Accounting Firms. At the time I was in public accounting in Phoenix, of all the Big Six firms in the entire state of Arizona there was only one female partner - at Deloitte. The firm I was with was informally considered the "top" firm in the area and had no female partners. Very odd, since one of the senior managers - a woman - personally brought in approximately 20% - 25% of the revenue in the two largest divisions. She was stuck at senior manager because the guys considered her a bitch and not a "team player". And she was kind of a bitch, but no more so than any of the successful men. Her actions were described as bitchy, bossy, aggressive and calculating. The same actions in the men were described as bold, assertive and leadership.
She did eventually make partner, several years after less qualified men who brought in less business. During the time she was in holding pattern, here are the descriptions of a few of the men who made partner:
Bill S. - Hothead. Abusive to staff. Would publicly berate new people who made a mistake and throw actual temper tantrums when things went wrong. He literally threw a stapler at a staffperson during one such tantrum.
Dan N. - Bitter that his wife left him for a woman. Would harass female staff. Left customized pornography on the desk of one of my friends (sort of cartoon based, he'd filled in her "head" and features on the female character). Stalked her. When she talked to HR, they fired her and within a year had promoted him to partner.
Oh, and neither of these guys brought in half the business that the woman did. But they got along great with the other male partners and were all golfing buddies.
Why wouldn't she leave and start her own firm or go work for someone else? Why would she tolerate that kind of treatment? Yes, I understand she wouldn't have the big name firm behind her, but again, we want the change - start the change.
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Post by wyouser on Nov 10, 2015 18:07:52 GMT -5
As an old relic from the 60's who has managed thus far to enter the 21st century with head still attached to shoulders, all fingers and hands intact and still in possession of my original teeth, is it alright to just read and observe? (We've been known to do that in Wyoming)
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Post by milee on Nov 10, 2015 18:11:05 GMT -5
That is consistent with my experience in publicly traded companies and in the (then) Big Six Accounting Firms. At the time I was in public accounting in Phoenix, of all the Big Six firms in the entire state of Arizona there was only one female partner - at Deloitte. The firm I was with was informally considered the "top" firm in the area and had no female partners. Very odd, since one of the senior managers - a woman - personally brought in approximately 20% - 25% of the revenue in the two largest divisions. She was stuck at senior manager because the guys considered her a bitch and not a "team player". And she was kind of a bitch, but no more so than any of the successful men. Her actions were described as bitchy, bossy, aggressive and calculating. The same actions in the men were described as bold, assertive and leadership.
She did eventually make partner, several years after less qualified men who brought in less business. During the time she was in holding pattern, here are the descriptions of a few of the men who made partner:
Bill S. - Hothead. Abusive to staff. Would publicly berate new people who made a mistake and throw actual temper tantrums when things went wrong. He literally threw a stapler at a staffperson during one such tantrum.
Dan N. - Bitter that his wife left him for a woman. Would harass female staff. Left customized pornography on the desk of one of my friends (sort of cartoon based, he'd filled in her "head" and features on the female character). Stalked her. When she talked to HR, they fired her and within a year had promoted him to partner.
Oh, and neither of these guys brought in half the business that the woman did. But they got along great with the other male partners and were all golfing buddies.
Why wouldn't she leave and start her own firm or go work for someone else? Why would she tolerate that kind of treatment? Yes, I understand she wouldn't have the big name firm behind her, but again, we want the change - start the change. She eventually did.
But I do understand her waiting to make partner. Not sure what they make now, but back in the 90s, first year equity partners were making around a half a million a year and it went up from there. After putting in over a decade of 80-100 hour weeks at below market pay, it's very tempting to want to stay that extra year to get the reward you've worked for. And each year, they'd tell her to give it one more year, be less abrasive and it would all be hers...
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Post by milee on Nov 10, 2015 18:19:40 GMT -5
I should also add that Big Four firms have a bit of a golden handcuff on their employees.
Especially for employees in the audit and consulting divisions. The employees may have very close relationships with the clients, but it's not like the employee could start a new firm and have the client follow the employee to the new firm because most of the clients need the audit or consulting to be done by a name brand Big Four firm.
So in the example of the woman whose personal relationships brought in a significant chunk of the firm's revenues, she couldn't start her own firm and take those clients because these were household name, publicly traded companies and companies like that need to have the big firms signing off on their audits. She could start a firm, but no matter how much those clients loved her, they couldn't have their audit or consulting work done by a new, local firm.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 10, 2015 18:34:57 GMT -5
But that isn't an employer's fault. I'm getting lambasted in here because I'm basically agreeing with what you are saying. I picked up much more of the slack for my kids...but I wanted to. If my kids were sick, I wanted to be there with them. I wanted to be the one to tuck them in at night. Ok, I could have lived without cleaning and stuff...lol
So I don't blame society and expectations. At least for me, I am wired differently than my ex-husband. I am a desire to kiss boo-boos, tend to sick babies, snuggle, etc. My ex loves his kids but in a different way than me.
Because of my decisions, it took me a lot longer than male colleagues to break $100k. But that isn't because of sexism or my employer...it was due to my own choices and I don't regret any of it..
I agree it isn't an employer's fault if a woman's partner doesn't step up. What is the employer's fault is when they create a culture where men "aren't real men or dedicated employees" is they take time for their families. Cases like Carl's VP, saying those ignorant comments about the man who is choosing to take a few weeks off to take care of his kid. Yes, they don't want their employee off for 3 weeks. But does the wife's employer want her off for 4 weeks? I understand the employer is thinking only of their own organization but the problem is that the wife's employer has a need for their employee too. So, should only unmarried or childless people be employed? Why should it fall all to the mother and her employer to sacrifice? In my experience, men are more likely to out their careers above their family. I would have quit my job if I didn't get flex time because making partner was much less important than being there for my kids. I would have quit my job if my employer wouldn't give me time off with my sick kid. My career was not more important than my children. Counter that with one partner who came in while his son was in the hospital "because there were deadlines". babies were born and the women were out for a minimum of 12 weeks while most of the guys were back the next day if it was busy season Im only speaking from what I have seen. But in my experience, it was the men who put their careers above family time and time again and were the ones making partner. Partner wasn't wlrth missing my kids' lives so the men could have it
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 10, 2015 18:40:50 GMT -5
... But in my experience, it was the men who put their careers above family time and time again ... Or did they put their family above themselves by working to provide the lifestyle that becoming a partner bought for their family?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 10, 2015 18:46:12 GMT -5
My issue is any time this is brought up, especially if it is a woman talking about it you're labeled as whiny and told you need to stop your bitching the war is over. I'd be curious to find out if a man brought up better paternity leave packages and the option to be "daddy tracked" would he be told to quit whining? Or would he be considered innovative and a trail blazer? My guess is probably neither he'd face an entirely different set of cultural biases that are just as problematic for him as those regarding women are for us. There really do need to be more men in this discussion. Dissolving as many of the underlying biases regarding gender would benefit both parties. Replace "woman" with "minority" in your first paragraph and that's the same song and dance about racial/ethnic discrimination.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 18:47:52 GMT -5
... But in my experience, it was the men who put their careers above family time and time again ... Or did they put their family above themselves by working to provide the lifestyle that becoming a partner bought for their family? This is the same thing career women point out to people that say they are putting their career before family. It is equally valid on both sides.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 10, 2015 18:52:41 GMT -5
Or did they put their family above themselves by working to provide the lifestyle that becoming a partner bought for their family? This is the same thing career women point out to people that say they are putting their career before family. It is equally valid on both sides. But it's much more acceptable socially for a man to put his career ahead of his family.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 18:55:08 GMT -5
This is the same thing career women point out to people that say they are putting their career before family. It is equally valid on both sides. But it's much more acceptable socially for a man to put his career ahead of his family. It's much more acceptable for a man's main contribution to his family to be financial. bills is pointing out that the reason people work so hard on their career is for the good of their family.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Nov 10, 2015 18:56:56 GMT -5
I just wish in general people would look at how the person performs. ESPN hired Jessica Mendoza to do baseball analysis on a limited basis in August. She did so well that they asked her to fill in when one of the regulars was suspended. She called 2 of my teams games in August and September and she was knowledgeable, insightful and had a pleasant demeanor. ESPN had her on the call for the AL Wild Card game. Some ignorant people were complaining about "what would she know about hitting a curveball". If they actually listened to her, they would have known she provided a better analysis of the game than the men who played baseball. If you watch gymnastics, no one complains that Tim Dagget has never been on a balance beam, and yet, he's allowed to provide commentary about it. I was just talking about this the other night with my spouse when we were watching MLS soccer. Women's soccer games usually have both male and female (prior) soccer player commentators, like Julie Foudy (prior national team player). Men's games just have men - with the token blonde chick down on the field whose name I don't even recognize (i.e. not a previous USWNT player). Why is that? Is soccer SO different from men's to women's?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 10, 2015 18:58:12 GMT -5
But it's much more acceptable socially for a man to put his career ahead of his family. It's much more acceptable for a man's main contribution to his family to be financial. bills is pointing out that the reason people work so hard on their career is for the good of their family. I hear that said a lot, but is that really true? What do you think would be better for your family - more money or more Mom/Dad? And are you really busting your ass to be successful for your family's welfare... or to stroke your ego?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 10, 2015 19:04:03 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she leave and start her own firm or go work for someone else? Why would she tolerate that kind of treatment? Yes, I understand she wouldn't have the big name firm behind her, but again, we want the change - start the change. She eventually did.
But I do understand her waiting to make partner. Not sure what they make now, but back in the 90s, first year equity partners were making around a half a million a year and it went up from there. After putting in over a decade of 80-100 hour weeks at below market pay, it's very tempting to want to stay that extra year to get the reward you've worked for. And each year, they'd tell her to give it one more year, be less abrasive and it would all be hers...
Oh that is just so so screwed up. Yeah, I totally understand her staying - that's a LOT of money that she really REALLY earned. I just wonder if more women took more aggressive steps in not tolerating that kind of treatment - would we better of. Easier said than done, though, I get that part too.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 10, 2015 19:09:44 GMT -5
I agree it isn't an employer's fault if a woman's partner doesn't step up. What is the employer's fault is when they create a culture where men "aren't real men or dedicated employees" is they take time for their families. Cases like Carl's VP, saying those ignorant comments about the man who is choosing to take a few weeks off to take care of his kid. Yes, they don't want their employee off for 3 weeks. But does the wife's employer want her off for 4 weeks? I understand the employer is thinking only of their own organization but the problem is that the wife's employer has a need for their employee too. So, should only unmarried or childless people be employed? Why should it fall all to the mother and her employer to sacrifice? In my experience, men are more likely to out their careers above their family. I would have quit my job if I didn't get flex time because making partner was much less important than being there for my kids. I would have quit my job if my employer wouldn't give me time off with my sick kid. My career was not more important than my children. Counter that with one partner who came in while his son was in the hospital "because there were deadlines". babies were born and the women were out for a minimum of 12 weeks while most of the guys were back the next day if it was busy season Im only speaking from what I have seen. But in my experience, it was the men who put their careers above family time and time again and were the ones making partner. Partner wasn't wlrth missing my kids' lives so the men could have it I wonder, though, if that's bc for generations that was the expectations that society had of men - make a paycheck.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 10, 2015 19:16:01 GMT -5
I've told this story before...
My husband was working out of state for 2 yrs while I was home with 3 very little kids - 3.5. and under. EVERYONE was ooohing and aahhing about how hard it must be for him and what a great job he was doing.
Remember a thread from a female poster who was wondering if she should get a job out of state.... She didn't get anywhere close to that kind of sympathetic response.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Nov 10, 2015 19:33:23 GMT -5
I've told this story before... My husband was working out of state for 2 yrs while I was home with 3 very little kids - 3.5. and under. EVERYONE was ooohing and aahhing about how hard it must be for him and what a great job he was doing. Remember a thread from a female poster who was wondering if she should get a job out of state.... She didn't get anywhere close to that kind of sympathetic response. Yep. Some of the same posters who talk about how you have to whatever it takes if it want to get ahead and put your career above your family BLASTED her for being away from her kids.
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