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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 5, 2015 11:16:28 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us?
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 5, 2015 11:27:35 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us? You mean like the terrorist attacks on the twin towers? Or doesn't that count as 'fucking with us'?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 5, 2015 11:33:31 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us? Red Dawn fantasies aside, I think it probably has more to do with our gigantic standing military and nuclear capabilities, and less to do with every Tom, Dick and Harry having access to guns.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 5, 2015 11:36:28 GMT -5
I lived in a European country where not even the police routinely carried guns. I only remember seeing one gun there in 11 years, it was after a big bank robbery and they had armed gendarmes on the main streets leaving town looking for the suspected getaway car. The rest of the time, the gendarmes walked around without weapons. Oh I also do remember seeing some hunters with hunting rifles a few times. Somehow they managed to be a very tidy, polite and civil society without everyone being armed all the time. Won't work here, though. We're special. We need to protect ourselves all the time, from everyone else, and especially from the government. Yeah- I keep hearing these lovely Utopian outposts exist, and I cannot help but wonder why people see the need to change the United States when they could just move to one of these totally gun-free, peaceful countries? With No Second Amendment Protections, Europeans Desperate to Arm Themselves Amid Islamist Invasion ... ooops. If I have to move to a peaceful, gun free country rather than hoping my own very violent country would find a way to be less fond of shooting shit up, then you have to move to a country run by religious clerics who don't allow women to have abortions the next time you state that abortions should be illegal in the US. Seems fair - if I can't complain about what I would like to change, you can't either.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 5, 2015 12:14:35 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us? You mean like the terrorist attacks on the twin towers? Or doesn't that count as 'fucking with us'? 88,633 miles of coastline. All watched.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 5, 2015 20:57:12 GMT -5
That is what bothered me- she had to call 911 a second time to tell them the guy she reported earlier was shooting people. Anyone walking down the street with a rifle is a threat IMO. Exceptions of course for rural areas, streets around a gun show, etc. Dispatchers blew this one and people probably died because of it. And of course the underlying blame goes to the politicians and NRA who thought this was a good idea. There is just no good reason to carry a rifle around town- and 'because I can' is an even worse one. Then your definition of "threat" is the problem. What if a guy is walking to a friend's house (assume they both live in the city)... several blocks... to sell (legally) his rifle (maybe he got a new one and doesn't want or think he needs two) to his friend, hus rifle slung (by the sling) over his shoulder? He's not doing anything but walking... he just is in possession of a rifle while he walks. Is he a threat? Depends how they are carrying it to know for sure- but I err on the side of caution and will call the police. Nobody in their right mind walks down streets with a rifle- and if someone needs to sell one they can transport it by car, in a case/bag, etc. So yes- if they are walking down the street with it plainly visible in their hands- that is a legitimate threat- and due to these stupid open carry provisions I would be sure to tell the dispatcher that they are 'pointing it' at stuff to make sure the police respond in a timely fashion.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 5, 2015 20:59:29 GMT -5
Maybe it goes down like this :
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 21:55:34 GMT -5
Then your definition of "threat" is the problem. What if a guy is walking to a friend's house (assume they both live in the city)... several blocks... to sell (legally) his rifle (maybe he got a new one and doesn't want or think he needs two) to his friend, hus rifle slung (by the sling) over his shoulder? He's not doing anything but walking... he just is in possession of a rifle while he walks. Is he a threat? Depends how they are carrying it to know for sure- but I err on the side of caution and will call the police. Nobody in their right mind walks down streets with a rifle- and if someone needs to sell one they can transport it by car, in a case/bag, etc. So yes- if they are walking down the street with it plainly visible in their hands- that is a legitimate threat- and due to these stupid open carry provisions I would be sure to tell the dispatcher that they are 'pointing it' at stuff to make sure the police respond in a timely fashion. So people that don't have cars in your world aren't allowed to own rifles? Gotcha. Are there other things people without cars aren't allowed to own? I'm seriously glad I don't live in your world. A rifle with a sling doesn't NEED a bag. That's the whole point OF the sling... to be used to carry it.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 6, 2015 6:26:22 GMT -5
Well, I grew up in a rural hunting town. And, during hunting season, there were men walking through town all the town with rifles. Just because some of you PERCEIVE that is somehow a threat, that does not make it so.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 6, 2015 11:09:12 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us? You mean like the terrorist attacks on the twin towers? Or doesn't that count as 'fucking with us'? I asked if anyone wondered why we've never been invaded. Does not mean people won't take shots at us, or try to neutralize us on the world stage.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 6, 2015 11:43:33 GMT -5
Do any of you ever wonder why we've never been invaded? Why nobody would dare fuck with us? Red Dawn fantasies aside, I think it probably has more to do with our gigantic standing military and nuclear capabilities, and less to do with every Tom, Dick and Harry having access to guns. No doubt having the most powerful military in the world helps. But to countries like Russia who were repelled from Afghanistan with rocks and AK-47s-- do not think that the thought of dealing with the most heavily armed citizenry in the world hasn't provided a deterrent. Statistics like 90 guns for every 100 people (men, women, and children) strike terror in the hearts of would-be aggressors.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 6, 2015 11:51:40 GMT -5
Red Dawn fantasies aside, I think it probably has more to do with our gigantic standing military and nuclear capabilities, and less to do with every Tom, Dick and Harry having access to guns. No doubt having the most powerful military in the world helps. But to countries like Russia who were repelled from Afghanistan with rocks and AK-47s-- do not think that the thought of dealing with the most heavily armed citizenry in the world hasn't provided a deterrent. Statistics like 90 guns for every 100 people (men, women, and children) strike terror in the hearts of would-be aggressors. We are also fairly isolated. With the exception of Russia, no one is going to be able to get anywhere near our borders (see again huge ass military). I don't see Canada or Mexico looking to invade any time soon, and getting to us by air or sea is going to be a losing proposition. If you want to believe its because we have an armed citizenry, go for it, but I think our military probably has much more to do with it. Armed citizens only play a part in a ground war, and I really can't see anyone successfully managing to put boots on the ground in any number.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 6, 2015 12:02:17 GMT -5
No doubt having the most powerful military in the world helps. But to countries like Russia who were repelled from Afghanistan with rocks and AK-47s-- do not think that the thought of dealing with the most heavily armed citizenry in the world hasn't provided a deterrent. Statistics like 90 guns for every 100 people (men, women, and children) strike terror in the hearts of would-be aggressors. We are also fairly isolated. With the exception of Russia, no one is going to be able to get anywhere near our borders (see again huge ass military). I don't see Canada or Mexico looking to invade any time soon, and getting to us by air or sea is going to be a losing proposition. If you want to believe its because we have an armed citizenry, go for it, but I think our military probably has much more to do with it. Armed citizens only play a part in a ground war, and I really can't see anyone successfully managing to put boots on the ground in any number. An invasion from Mexico and central America is currently underway, though not openly militaristic.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 6, 2015 20:52:34 GMT -5
Depends how they are carrying it to know for sure- but I err on the side of caution and will call the police. Nobody in their right mind walks down streets with a rifle- and if someone needs to sell one they can transport it by car, in a case/bag, etc. So yes- if they are walking down the street with it plainly visible in their hands- that is a legitimate threat- and due to these stupid open carry provisions I would be sure to tell the dispatcher that they are 'pointing it' at stuff to make sure the police respond in a timely fashion. So people that don't have cars in your world aren't allowed to own rifles? Gotcha. Are there other things people without cars aren't allowed to own? I'm seriously glad I don't live in your world. A rifle with a sling doesn't NEED a bag. That's the whole point OF the sling... to be used to carry it. I just told you it depends on how they are carrying it- in a sling over the back may be fine- ridiculous- but not automatically alarming- but if their hands are on it then the cops get a call. That's my policy- of course nobody in my neighborhood has yet to stroll down the street in that fashion. So to the original post- what would you do if someone walked past your home (for arguments sake you live in a dense urban area) with a rifle with both hands on it at the ready- do you not consider that a threat?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 21:43:45 GMT -5
So people that don't have cars in your world aren't allowed to own rifles? Gotcha. Are there other things people without cars aren't allowed to own? I'm seriously glad I don't live in your world. A rifle with a sling doesn't NEED a bag. That's the whole point OF the sling... to be used to carry it. I just told you it depends on how they are carrying it- in a sling over the back may be fine- ridiculous- but not automatically alarming- but if their hands are on it then the cops get a call. That's my policy- of course nobody in my neighborhood has yet to stroll down the street in that fashion. So to the original post- what would you do if someone walked past your home (for arguments sake you live in a dense urban area) with a rifle with both hands on it at the ready- do you not consider that a threat? That depends... Walking like this (yes, I know they are soldiers, and it's a movie screen-grab... pick one and pretend it's a civilian on a "regular" street, but carrying the rifle exactly as the soldier is): Possible (even probable) threat. Walking like this: Not a likely threat.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 6, 2015 23:46:15 GMT -5
I just told you it depends on how they are carrying it- in a sling over the back may be fine- ridiculous- but not automatically alarming- but if their hands are on it then the cops get a call. That's my policy- of course nobody in my neighborhood has yet to stroll down the street in that fashion. So to the original post- what would you do if someone walked past your home (for arguments sake you live in a dense urban area) with a rifle with both hands on it at the ready- do you not consider that a threat? That depends... Walking like this (yes, I know they are soldiers, and it's a movie screen-grab... pick one and pretend it's a civilian on a "regular" street, but carrying the rifle exactly as the soldier is): Possible (even probable) threat. Walking like this: Not a likely threat. In some cornfield no, in a mall yes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 23:51:17 GMT -5
That depends... Walking like this (yes, I know they are soldiers, and it's a movie screen-grab... pick one and pretend it's a civilian on a "regular" street, but carrying the rifle exactly as the soldier is): Possible (even probable) threat. Walking like this: Not a likely threat. In some cornfield no, in a mall yes. Even in a mall... no.
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