why are people against compassion for people who do terrible

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Why are people against compassion for people who do terrible things?  The mother who kills her child should be punished, but she must be living some kind of hell to have done such a horrible thing.  If she is in prison and completely is no longer hurting anyone, why not wish her some hope for redemption?  I see the good of punishment and removal from society.  I see the benefit of not trusting.  I do not see the good of hate. 


If a person does something terrible do you hope they find redemption?  Do you think they cheated punishment if they find meaning in their life in prison?  I am not asking about release from prison or putting the person who did wrong in a position to do wrong again.

[The Captain]

In my case I guess it's because I have a thing about hypocrisy.  Personally, I have a very hard time when people expect compassion or understanding when they fail to give it them selves.

Yes, in most cases I do hope they find redemption. 

I don't think our ideas of punishment are the same, though.  Being honest here, but in some cases I think the death penalty is needed to remove a monster from society that doesn't deserve to drain society further by being supported by society for life through incarceration.  I don't feel "cheated" in punishment if that person gets life in prison, just think it's a waste of societies resources.

It's not about vengeance because that would lower us to the level of the criminal.  Don't know how to describe it better than that.

[Artemis Windsong]

Hate what the person did.  Not the person.

Sounds impossible.  The focus changes to the despicable act.

[mroped]

I in fact feel compassion for someone in a case like hickle presented above. There must be some reason for a mother to do such a horrible thing to her own child and I believe is something absolutely terrible and tormenting.
However punishment and when necessary treatment should be delivered if we ever hope to save someone from their own demons.
Dont feel any remorse or compassion for people that do it in a serial manner or on a hate outburst. Their punishment should be swiftly delivered according to the law. Don't hate them either, just not understanding why?

Prisons where originally created as a place where one can think about his/her past actions, repent and ask for forgiveness from the higher power- God. Hence the original name Penitenciary! 
Penitence- absolving ones guilt through work and prayer

What we have today is mostly an extended vacation. 
Granted, those sentenced to death or life in prison, spend a lot of that time in isolation but in the mean time we as a society foot the bill which turns out to be quite big!
Why not making them work at least for their own keep?
There is more of a chance to redemption and reeducation of an individual who's working than one that is isolated.

[Shooby]

If you find Jesus in prison, I think that is fantastic. But that does not somehow absolve you of your legal guilt or serving the sentence from your crime. ANd, some crimes SHOULD be punished with the death penalty, swiftly and timely and not having some perp lingering in prison.  Pray to God while you are being executed.

[Shooby]

I am confused. Why is someone supposed to 'have compassion" for someone doing terrible things? Must have missed that memo.

[tallguy]

If someone wants to have compassion for people who do terrible things, have at it.  It just won't be me.  Devote as much time and energy as you wish to studying or divining how they arrived at that point in their life.  Or to what becomes of them afterward.  It harms no one to do so.  It also helps no one to do so.  I don't give a damn one way or the other either before or after whatever act they committed.  If you do something wrong, pay the consequences.  I have neither the time, energy, or inclination to worry about anything else with them.  If they are going to get out of prison, I hope they come out better than they went in, but that is solely for the protection of society. 

[cronewitch]

I am sorry they are horrible people and must have had an awful life or mental illness to do terrible things. I was just reading about gang rapes of infants and toddlers in India one with a knife. What kind of group of men think gang raping a 3 year old and leaving her bleeding is a good idea? What about raping a 1 year old with a knife and leaving her on rail road tracks with internal injuries? Sure sorry for the life they must have to allow them to even think of doing these things. Putting them in prison is a waste of money, too expensive for no good at all.

Charles Mansion Spent about 50 years in prison and died. He may have found god so he can go to heaven where those of us who didn't do terrible things will go to hell if you believe Christians. I think we should put down the people who are terrible like we would a mad dog, no hate or mutilation just a shot done as soon as convicted.

[fishy999]

Oct 17, 2015 16:08:33 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am sorry they are horrible people and must have had an awful life or mental illness to do terrible things. I was just reading about gang rapes of infants and toddlers in India one with a knife. What kind of group of men think gang raping a 3 year old and leaving her bleeding is a good idea? What about raping a 1 year old with a knife and leaving her on rail road tracks with internal injuries? Sure sorry for the life they must have to allow them to even think of doing these things. Putting them in prison is a waste of money, too expensive for no good at all.

Charles Mansion Spent about 50 years in prison and died. He may have found god so he can go to heaven where those of us who didn't do terrible things will go to hell if you believe Christians. I think we should put down the people who are terrible like we would a mad dog, no hate or mutilation just a shot done as soon as convicted.

Manson isn't dead- he almost got married a few months ago if I recall.  Just pointing that out.

I agree though- some people need to be put down- I just don't trust the government to do it.  

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Oct 17, 2015 12:26:44 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I am confused. Why is someone supposed to 'have compassion" for someone doing terrible things? Must have missed that memo.

Do you really need someone to tell you what to think?  I thought that was just a  ditto head type joke.  There is no memo.

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2015 16:08:33 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am sorry they are horrible people and must have had an awful life or mental illness to do terrible things. I was just reading about gang rapes of infants and toddlers in India one with a knife. What kind of group of men think gang raping a 3 year old and leaving her bleeding is a good idea? What about raping a 1 year old with a knife and leaving her on rail road tracks with internal injuries? Sure sorry for the life they must have to allow them to even think of doing these things. Putting them in prison is a waste of money, too expensive for no good at all.

Charles Mansion Spent about 50 years in prison and died. He may have found god so he can go to heaven where those of us who didn't do terrible things will go to hell if you believe Christians. I think we should put down the people who are terrible like we would a mad dog, no hate or mutilation just a shot done as soon as convicted.

Lots of the time people who do terrible things had terrible things done to them as children.  Not that that is an excuse.  I just think these people can't be who they want to be.  I like the idea that prison could be a safe place and a place to find some kind of meaning.  I read about those in isolation that drives them crazy.  I read those who want rapists to be raped.   I just don't see how that makes anything better.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I think people have compassion, hickle. They just don't have it across the board. I have tons of compassion for some and absolutely none for others.  I was just reading about that women who drowned her kids because her new boyfriend didn't want them around. She killed her kids for some guy. I can't find any kind of compassion for that woman and it makes no difference to me if she had hard times before. She knew right from wrong because she tried to hide her crime. She just didn't want them around. I do, however, have compassion for the woman who drowned her kids because of severe post-partum depression that nobody even tried to help her with.

You have no compassion for that cop who shot the kid and you won't even entertain the idea that anything else was going on other than come cop out to shoot kids.  Yet, to me, you seem like a very compassionate and caring man.  Just not across the board - like everyone else.

I hate that prisons make people worse, too, but I don't have another answer.  Isolation is sometimes the only solution for those people who will continue to hurt others unless they are no longer in contact with others.  Even people in prison deserve protection from that sort of person.  I'd like to find a better way, too, but I sure don't know what it is.  It appears it's as near-impossible to fully protect them as it is on the outside.

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2015 19:58:04 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I think people have compassion, hickle. They just don't have it across the board. I have tons of compassion for some and absolutely none for others.  I was just reading about that women who drowned her kids because her new boyfriend didn't want them around. She killed her kids for some guy. I can't find any kind of compassion for that woman and it makes no difference to me if she had hard times before. She knew right from wrong because she tried to hide her crime. She just didn't want them around. I do, however, have compassion for the woman who drowned her kids because of severe post-partum depression that nobody even tried to help her with.

You have no compassion for that cop who shot the kid and you won't even entertain the idea that anything else was going on other than come cop out to shoot kids.  Yet, to me, you seem like a very compassionate and caring man.  Just not across the board - like everyone else.  Good point.

I hate that prisons make people worse, too, but I don't have another answer.  Isolation is sometimes the only solution for those people who will continue to hurt others unless they are no longer in contact with others.  Even people in prison deserve protection from that sort of person.  I'd like to find a better way, too, but I sure don't know what it is.  It appears it's as near-impossible to fully protect them as it is on the outside.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Oct 17, 2015 19:58:04 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I think people have compassion, hickle. They just don't have it across the board. I have tons of compassion for some and absolutely none for others.  I was just reading about that women who drowned her kids because her new boyfriend didn't want them around. She killed her kids for some guy. I can't find any kind of compassion for that woman and it makes no difference to me if she had hard times before. She knew right from wrong because she tried to hide her crime. She just didn't want them around. I do, however, have compassion for the woman who drowned her kids because of severe post-partum depression that nobody even tried to help her with.

You have no compassion for that cop who shot the kid and you won't even entertain the idea that anything else was going on other than come cop out to shoot kids.  Yet, to me, you seem like a very compassionate and caring man.  Just not across the board - like everyone else.

I hate that prisons make people worse, too, but I don't have another answer.  Isolation is sometimes the only solution for those people who will continue to hurt others unless they are no longer in contact with others.  Even people in prison deserve protection from that sort of person.  I'd like to find a better way, too, but I sure don't know what it is.  It appears it's as near-impossible to fully protect them as it is on the outside.

I think an aspect of this is that some people want to spend as little as possible on prisoners.  But treatment isn't cheap. 

Guarding the at risk prisoners may mean that the guards are placed into higher risk of being hurt/attacked/killed while on duty.  So it's easier/cheaper to just put someone in isolation for their own protection/good. 

And some people do think that the Old Testament "eye for an eye" is proper punishment.

 

[happyhoix]

I think a lot of the really awful crimes are committed by people who are high on drugs at the time.

I'm sorry they have a drug addiction, especially since I think a big segment of people on drugs do that because they have MH issues or past abuse.

However, there are lots of people with MH issues who managed them through medications or therapy and haven't (and wouldn't) be violent or resort to illegal drugs. And there are a lot of people who suffered abusive childhoods, or childhoods of extreme poverty, and still managed to lead a productive adult life. 

So I can feel compassion that they've struggled with their personal demons, but at the same time, I expect them to be locked away someplace where they can't hurt anyone else. If they can overcome their drug habits and MH issues in prison, maybe they can engage in productive work behind bars (and I think prisons should provide more opportunities for this). But if they did something really heinous, they need to stay behind bars. Kind of like a dog that bites - you don't give him a chance to bite again.

[fishy999]

And there is this guy:


www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/01/16/two-killings-but-just-one-shot-at-redemption/


"That latter bit is detailed in Brantley Hargrove’s 2009 Scene cover story. The murder was brutal — Davis, then 18, nearly beheaded Liles, a 54 year-old Sunday school teacher — and his guilt was never in question. But after claiming a jailhouse conversion and pursuing a defense that blamed his crime on insanity, drug abuse, and the devil himself, a jury found him guilty only of manslaughter, with a maximum sentence of 20 years.

After just eight-and-a-half years, though — during which Davis said he took to preaching to his fellow inmates — thanks to overcrowding and good behavior, Davis was released. A little more than 30 years later, he has cashed in on his redemption story — one which, as Hargrove lays out, has conveniently been edited and embellished to benefit the storyteller. Decades after nearly beheading a Sunday school teacher, he is a mega-church pastor who lives in a mansion and receives invitations to pray at the state legislature."

Apparently there is compassion and forgiveness for some.  Not so much luck for the woman in TX who also converted in prison, did not actually commit the crime, the person who did is alive and well, and she is in the ground.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 17, 2015 8:51:54 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Why are people against compassion for people who do terrible things?  The mother who kills her child should be punished, but she must be living some kind of hell to have done such a horrible thing.  If she is in prison and completely is no longer hurting anyone, why not wish her some hope for redemption?  I see the good of punishment and removal from society.  I see the benefit of not trusting.  I do not see the good of hate. 


If a person does something terrible do you hope they find redemption?  Do you think they cheated punishment if they find meaning in their life in prison?  I am not asking about release from prison or putting the person who did wrong in a position to do wrong again.

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 17, 2015 8:51:54 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Why are people against compassion for people who do terrible things?  The mother who kills her child should be punished, but she must be living some kind of hell to have done such a horrible thing.  If she is in prison and completely is no longer hurting anyone, why not wish her some hope for redemption?  I see the good of punishment and removal from society.  I see the benefit of not trusting.  I do not see the good of hate. 


If a person does something terrible do you hope they find redemption?  Do you think they cheated punishment if they find meaning in their life in prison?  I am not asking about release from prison or putting the person who did wrong in a position to do wrong again.

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I actually don't have compassion for any mom that can do something so awful to her children.  As a mom I cannot understanding hurting my children, let alone killing them.  She is no better than an animal and needs to be put down. 

I do feel compassion...I feel compassion for the children whose last thought is "why is my mommy  hurting me"....my tears go out to that child not the animal that hurt them.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 17, 2015 12:26:44 GMT -5 Shooby said:

I am confused. Why is someone supposed to 'have compassion" for someone doing terrible things? Must have missed that memo.

why shouldn't you?

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 17, 2015 8:51:54 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Why are people against compassion for people who do terrible things?  The mother who kills her child should be punished, but she must be living some kind of hell to have done such a horrible thing.  If she is in prison and completely is no longer hurting anyone, why not wish her some hope for redemption?  I see the good of punishment and removal from society.  I see the benefit of not trusting.  I do not see the good of hate. 


If a person does something terrible do you hope they find redemption?  Do you think they cheated punishment if they find meaning in their life in prison?  I am not asking about release from prison or putting the person who did wrong in a position to do wrong again.

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I agree with the bolded  completely. 
Do you think encouraging prisoners to find meaning in their day to day life is something prisons should do?  Do you think prisons should be safe?  And should prisoners have a way to earn money, to work for a better life for themselves etc?  Or is that inconsistent with being held accountable?  If a  person commits murder and lives out the rest of his life in prison, but is content, has justice been denied?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'd like to see, especially for minor offenses, more attempts to make prisoners productive and give them a shot at life outside without having to resort to crime again.

For the heavier stuff I am fine with it if they want to find Jesus, draw or whatever gives them fulfillment as long as they stay in prison. I agree with the dog bite analogy there are some things you just don't forgive and take the chance of having it happen again.

I think a lot of that is hard to accomplish b/c people don't want to see their tax dollars going to criminals.   They don't see that in the long term it would be better if we made it so people (at least some of them) can re-enter society and be productive rather than continue the cycle.

[Deleted]

Oct 20, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I actually don't have compassion for any mom that can do something so awful to her children.  As a mom I cannot understanding hurting my children, let alone killing them.  She is no better than an animal and needs to be put down. 

I do feel compassion...I feel compassion for the children whose last thought is "why is my mommy  hurting me"....my tears go out to that child not the animal that hurt them.

I cannot understand calculus.  I think it terribly wrong to deliberately hurt children.  I think there is something broken in people who do.  My dad in many ways was a terrible dad and caused a lot of pain in the world.  I think it is terrible and sad that that is the kind of person he chose to be and how to act.  None of that was to say I disagree with your post.  Just posting some things I think.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Oct 20, 2015 11:46:54 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I agree with the bolded  completely. 
Do you think encouraging prisoners to find meaning in their day to day life is something prisons should do?  Do you think prisons should be safe?  And should prisoners have a way to earn money, to work for a better life for themselves etc?  Or is that inconsistent with being held accountable?  If a  person commits murder and lives out the rest of his life in prison, but is content, has justice been denied?

You raise good questions:

I do think prisoners should be encouraged to find meaning in their lives. An unhappy, hopeless prisoner is often the most dangerous prisoner. I think it's a case of "what more can they do to me". As for the prison system being responsible for encouraging it? Sure.  I think there are programs provided for those interested such as on-line education, some vocational training, etc. Only the prisoner, however, can find meaning in any of it.  Nobody can do that for them.

Should prisoners be able to earn money?  Yes.  I think so.  If they are working and producing a product or service, they should be paid a fair wage.  I would have stipulations on that.  For example, if they owe restitution, that should be taken out of their checks.  If they have children, child support should be considered.  A lot of people find satisfaction and meaning in paying their own way.  That would go towards your first point also.

I don't think any of that is inconsistent with being held accountable, although I do see some serious issues with the more dangerous prisoners.  They simply cannot be out in general population to work, attend classes, etc.  I absolutely wish that prisons could be safe, but let's face it.  A number of prisoners are in there because they are violent.  That's not likely to change in prison.  I think we should do everything we can to ensure the safety of other prisoners and the employees there, but it's not always going to happen.  I don't have better ideas than those already being implemented.

Your final point:  Is justice denied because a person is content to stay in prison all their lives?  I don't think so.  It's my opinion that incarceration serves more than one purpose.  It isn't just punishment.  It's also keeping that criminal locked away where there is less chance he/she can harm again.  While they might not consider it punishment and actually don't mind being locked away, at least there is a measure of assurance they aren't out walking the streets.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 20, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I actually don't have compassion for any mom that can do something so awful to her children.  As a mom I cannot understanding hurting my children, let alone killing them.  She is no better than an animal and needs to be put down. 

I do feel compassion...I feel compassion for the children whose last thought is "why is my mommy  hurting me"....my tears go out to that child not the animal that hurt them.

My personal religious beliefs dictate that there's no sin I have not committed myself. Theologically speaking, for me- if I've broken any of the law, I'm guilty of breaking it all. That means there's no person beyond compassion, or redemption.  It doesn't excuse a person from the temporal consequences of their actions, but on a personal level I'm called to love and forgive all people.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 20, 2015 11:46:54 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:25:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I think I understand what you're asking, and I am going to try to answer in a way which I hope readers can understand:  Holding people accountable for their actions is not lacking in compassion.  Remember, in the example you posted children's blood is crying out for justice.  There's future potential victims to think about as well. 

We can have mercy and compassion in our hearts, and on a personal level. But we may still ultimately have to strap the mother that murders her children to a gurney and execute her.

I agree with the bolded  completely. 
Do you think encouraging prisoners to find meaning in their day to day life is something prisons should do?  Do you think prisons should be safe?  And should prisoners have a way to earn money, to work for a better life for themselves etc?  Or is that inconsistent with being held accountable?  If a  person commits murder and lives out the rest of his life in prison, but is content, has justice been denied?

I do think convicts should be given the opportunity to find personal redemption while serving out their sentences.  I actually support Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship for precisely this reason.  I think prisoners should be secure in prison, I don't think rape and other violence should be a part of daily prison life. I don't think the purpose of prison is to torture a person.  It is to protect the public, and I would like to see prison as a place where people can contemplate their crime(s), and hopefully repent of the wrong they've done, and yes- to find some kind of meaning and purpose in their lives.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 20, 2015 13:13:37 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I actually don't have compassion for any mom that can do something so awful to her children.  As a mom I cannot understanding hurting my children, let alone killing them.  She is no better than an animal and needs to be put down. 

I do feel compassion...I feel compassion for the children whose last thought is "why is my mommy  hurting me"....my tears go out to that child not the animal that hurt them.

My personal religious beliefs dictate that there's no sin I have not committed myself. Theologically speaking, for me- if I've broken any of the law, I'm guilty of breaking it all. That means there's no person beyond compassion, or redemption.  It doesn't excuse a person from the temporal consequences of their actions, but on a personal level I'm called to love and forgive all people.

Luckily I'm not religious so it doesn't make me a hypocrite to say "kill the bitch".

[Tennesseer]

Oct 20, 2015 13:13:37 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 20, 2015 9:41:13 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I actually don't have compassion for any mom that can do something so awful to her children.  As a mom I cannot understanding hurting my children, let alone killing them.  She is no better than an animal and needs to be put down. 

I do feel compassion...I feel compassion for the children whose last thought is "why is my mommy  hurting me"....my tears go out to that child not the animal that hurt them.

My personal religious beliefs dictate that there's no sin I have not committed myself. Theologically speaking, for me- if I've broken any of the law, I'm guilty of breaking it all. That means there's no person beyond compassion, or redemption.  It doesn't excuse a person from the temporal consequences of their actions, but on a personal level I'm called to love and forgive all people.

Love and forgive all, eh?

[Angel!]

Oct 20, 2015 13:19:15 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 20, 2015 13:13:37 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

My personal religious beliefs dictate that there's no sin I have not committed myself. Theologically speaking, for me- if I've broken any of the law, I'm guilty of breaking it all. That means there's no person beyond compassion, or redemption.  It doesn't excuse a person from the temporal consequences of their actions, but on a personal level I'm called to love and forgive all people.

Luckily I'm not religious so it doesn't make me a hypocrite to say "kill the bitch".

Yet another reason I'm glad I'm not religious.

For the most part, I'm more worried about having compassion for victims. Screw the assholes who hurt them.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 21, 2015 16:51:24 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Oct 20, 2015 13:19:15 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Luckily I'm not religious so it doesn't make me a hypocrite to say "kill the bitch".

Yet another reason I'm glad I'm not religious.

For the most part, I'm more worried about having compassion for victims. Screw the assholes who hurt them.

Push comes to shove, you bet.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 21, 2015 16:51:24 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Oct 20, 2015 13:19:15 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Luckily I'm not religious so it doesn't make me a hypocrite to say "kill the bitch".

Yet another reason I'm glad I'm not religious.

For the most part, I'm more worried about having compassion for victims. Screw the assholes who hurt them.

i don't see the dichotomy.  do you?