So,you thought you lived in a really liberal or conservative

[Value Buy]

city. Maybe, maybe not.
Here is a list of most conservative and liberal cities in the U.S.A.


www3.forbes.com/lifestyle/the-most-conservative-and-most-liberal-cities-in-america/3/

[Value Buy]

Number seven conservative city
Anaheim California 
Was a surprise to me.

[Peace Of Mind]

Where is the list of a nice 50/50 mix?  I don't care for extremes either way but I live in extreme right conservative land.  I no likey. 

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2015 19:43:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Number seven conservative city
Anaheim California 
Was a surprise to me.

Anaheim is part of Orange County, a Republican stronghold. And Orange County has not voted for a Democratic president since FDR.

[djAdvocate]

they also sent B1 Bob to congress a few times.  what a character.

edit: actually, much of the interior region of CA is quite conservative.  it is also fairly rural.

[Tennesseer]

Boston was only the 5th most liberal city.  

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2015 20:01:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

they also sent B1 Bob to congress a few times.  what a character.

edit: actually, much of the interior region of CA is quite conservative.  it is also fairly rural.

Hence the reason some Californians would like to break up the state into 3 or 4 new states.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 20:06:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:01:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

they also sent B1 Bob to congress a few times.  what a character.

edit: actually, much of the interior region of CA is quite conservative.  it is also fairly rural.

Hence the reason some Californians would like to break up the state into 3 or 4 new states.

the most common split is to make Jefferson a new state (roughly 1/4 of the Northern part).  but yes, there have been lots of proposals, including one that is quite active right now. 

[chiver78]

Oct 11, 2015 20:03:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Boston was only the 5th most liberal city.  

that surprised me, until I remembered the "nouveau riche" that have infested MetroWest where I grew up. take a look at the big mall I went to as a kid - it was rebranded the Collection when they built a high-end wing that included the likes of Neiman Marcus and other stores that had traditionally been found in places like Snooton.   those sort of people that buy an older ranch or Cape and tear it down to build a McMansion on the 1/4 acre lot in walking distance to the commuter rail.....but they drive their Infinity or Lexus to the station and pay $4/day to park. it's been my experience that these newcomers want nothing to do with making the town better, just stashing their cash while they take the tax breaks of home ownership and commute in to the city. we just had an override vote in my new town, and it failed. the discussion breakdowns have been interesting, to say the least.

and that's probably more than I should have said... oh well.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2015 20:12:52 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:03:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Boston was only the 5th most liberal city.  

that surprised me, until I remembered the "nouveau riche" that have infested MetroWest where I grew up. take a look at the big mall I went to as a kid - it was rebranded the Collection when they built a high-end wing that included the likes of Neiman Marcus and other stores that had traditionally been found in places like Snooton.   those sort of people that buy an older ranch or Cape and tear it down to build a McMansion on the 1/4 acre lot in walking distance to the commuter rail.....but they drive their Infinity or Lexus to the station and pay $4/day to park. it's been my experience that these newcomers want nothing to do with making the town better, just stashing their cash while they take the tax breaks of home ownership and commute in to the city. we just had an override vote in my new town, and it failed. the discussion breakdowns have been interesting, to say the least.

and that's probably more than I should have said... oh well.

Snooton, as in Snooton HighPriceLands?

[chiver78]

that's one of the 11 "villages", yes.

ETA: I just sanity-checked myself, there's actually 13. whoops.

[Ombud]

Not surprised that SF was #1 but Oakland as #4 most liberal city is a shocker!! San Jose is far more liberal

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 20:32:23 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Not surprised that SF was #1 but Oakland as #4 most liberal city is a shocker!! San Jose is far more liberal

Berkeley didn't make the list, either.

but remember.  this is Forbes.  they think liberal means "evil". 

[Ombud]

Oct 11, 2015 20:49:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:32:23 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Not surprised that SF was #1 but Oakland as #4 most liberal city is a shocker!! San Jose is far more liberal

Berkeley didn't make the list, either.

but remember.  this is Forbes.  they think liberal means "evil". 

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:49:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Berkeley didn't make the list, either.

but remember.  this is Forbes.  they think liberal means "evil". 

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

i was mostly kidding, but Berkeley is a strange place......

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:49:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Berkeley didn't make the list, either.

but remember.  this is Forbes.  they think liberal means "evil". 

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

What do you equate with conservative if liberal means tolerant/open minded?

[Ombud]

Conservative - tradionalists, limiting change

I'm a traditionalist (my version) in that I believe in the preamble trumps all

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 21:49:05 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Conservative - tradionalists, limiting change

I'm a traditionalist (my version) in that I believe in the preamble

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ombud, would you mind having a word with Virgil and Paul..... ?

(just kidding.  i am just shocked that i agree with ANYONE after all of the pages i have argued with them about this subject!)

[Ombud]

Edited to say: trumps all

Now you might not agree

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 21:53:48 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Edited to say: trumps all

Now you might not agree

i was referring to the definition of liberal/conservative, so no.  it had no impact at all. 

[mroped]

The way I see it Ombud, the Preamble promotes tolerance so,  that makes you a liberal!
Not or necesarily a democrat but a liberal nonetheless.

[tallguy]

So, you thought you lived in a really liberal or conservative city?

Uhhh, yeah.  

[Ombud]

A liberal Republican? I vascillate between states rights and federal rights .... whichever gives more. All the while believing that we measure a person by how they contribute to society, care for their family, and the length of their rap sheet. That's what I tell the kids

[djAdvocate]

Oct 11, 2015 22:53:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

A liberal Republican? I vascillate between states rights and federal rights .... whichever gives more. All the while believing that we measure a person by how they contribute to society, care for their family, and the length of their rap sheet. That's what I tell the kids

why not?  i am a liberal Republican.  perfectly content with that description. 

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 11, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Oct 11, 2015 20:49:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Berkeley didn't make the list, either.

but remember.  this is Forbes.  they think liberal means "evil". 

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

Based on the posts I see on these boards, liberals are very tolerant as long as you think just like they do. Otherwise, not so tolerant

[Ombud]

Oct 12, 2015 0:36:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 11, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

Based on the posts I see on these boards, liberals are very tolerant as long as you think just like they do. Otherwise, not so tolerant

I don't think left of center necessarily means liberal.

[msventoux]

I would have said that I live in a pretty conservative place, but that's been changing for a number of years.  I know a few people who now want to move out of state to retire someplace that's much more conservative than here.  Good riddance. 

[djAdvocate]

Oct 12, 2015 0:36:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 11, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5 Ombud said:

I'm unusual in that I equate liberal with tolerant / open minded. Berkeley isn't tolerant of anyone other than those they approve of

Based on the posts I see on these boards, liberals are very tolerant as long as you think just like they do. Otherwise, not so tolerant

oh come ON!  when have ever told you or anyone else what to think?

on the contrary, my goal is to make everyone think more and think differently, including MYSELF.

sheesh.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 12, 2015 0:40:36 GMT -5 Ombud said:

Oct 12, 2015 0:36:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Based on the posts I see on these boards, liberals are very tolerant as long as you think just like they do. Otherwise, not so tolerant

I don't think left of center necessarily means liberal.

spot on.  left wingers can be authoritarians, but authoritarians canNOT be liberals.  no matter what Ann Coulter thinks.

[tallguy]

Oct 12, 2015 1:14:51 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 12, 2015 0:36:04 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Based on the posts I see on these boards, liberals are very tolerant as long as you think just like they do. Otherwise, not so tolerant

oh come ON!  when have ever told you or anyone else what to think?

on the contrary, my goal is to make everyone think more and think differently, including MYSELF.

sheesh.

Exactly.  The big concern is when others feel entitled or authorized to think for them.  Liberals will be very consistent that you can think or believe whatever you want.  They may argue or fight against actions (particularly or even exclusively if those actions harm someone else) but generally consider thoughts or beliefs to be one's own. 

And as a general rule, ANYONE who tries to tell you what to think is NOT a liberal in any sense of the term.  They can be a lot of things, but liberal is not one of them.