Fox Lake Police officer maybe not murdered?

[happyhoix]

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

[Tennesseer]

I read suicide was a ongoing theory yesterday too.  

[marvholly]

I live in metro Chicago - about 45 min from Fox Lake. Possibility of suicide has been alluded to in the local news for a couple days.

[Deleted]

They are waiting for several tests to come back, I thought it was very easy for the experts to determine a suicide base off the angle of bullet entry, maybe I watched too much CSI.

[Value Buy]

This rumor has been there from about day five.
They had an ex-officer who went ballistic on the police last week demanding they list it as a suicide,  and I think he even threatened them, so the media has taken this a little more serious.

[haapai]

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

I wouldn't call it clever.  I'd call it damned insulting to your fellow officers.  This particular method of disguising a suicide as a death in the line of duty would only work if the police investigating it were incompetent or corrupt. 

[happyhoix]

Sept 17, 2015 9:32:56 GMT -5 haapai said:

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

I wouldn't call it clever.  I'd call it damned insulting to your fellow officers.  This particular method of disguising a suicide as a death in the line of duty would only work if the police investigating it were incompetent or corrupt. 

Maybe he hoped his fellow officers would take pity on someone struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts and let this slip through with minimal investigation.

Wouldn't be the first time a suicide was made to look like something else in order to benefit the family. Technically it's wrong, but wrong along the lines of a doctor giving a lethal dose of morphine to a terminally ill person in a lot of pain, IMHO.

[Tennesseer]

He may have pulled a Susan Smith, but in his case, he was his own victim.  His family gets his life insurances and any monies from the police department.  Plus the wife and family gets indefinite support from his fellow officers and community including money drives for the family.

[haapai]

I don't think that the too much morphine metaphor works here.  The guy wasn't terminally ill.  His mental health issues were probably treatable. 

Asking cops and forensic experts to go with the hero story is bad for cops.  You usually can't pull off whoppers that require so many people to perjure themselves and it terrifies the public when you do succeed.  It's also not good for cops to have the damage caused by that toxic combination of mental health issues, guns, and jobs that require owning a gun buried with honors. 

Perhaps a better metaphor to use here is death by friendly fire or occupational hazard. 

[happyhoix]

Sept 17, 2015 11:44:12 GMT -5 haapai said:

I don't think that the too much morphine metaphor works here.  The guy wasn't terminally ill.  His mental health issues were probably treatable. 

Asking cops and forensic experts to go with the hero story is bad for cops.  You usually can't pull off whoppers that require so many people to perjure themselves and it terrifies the public when you do succeed.  It's also not good for cops to have the damage caused by that toxic combination of mental health issues, guns, and jobs that require owning a gun buried with honors. 

Perhaps a better metaphor to use here is death by friendly fire or occupational hazard. 

Whether or not his MH issues were treatable or not doesn't really matter. We don't know why he committed suicide, he could very well have been diagnosed with some terrible, long term disease and he wanted to spare himself and his family. Perhaps he had done something terrible and couldn't stand to live with himself anymore. Maybe he was chronically depressed and felt like it was harming his family. It doesn't matter why, but he had gotten to the point where living was no longer tenable.

I'm willing to bet, though, that he never expected the public response to be as big as it was. Probably he assumed this would be something that shows up in the local papers for a day or two and then disappears.  Especially if he was chronically depressed, he may have been convinced that he was so worthless and unimportant that his death would be almost unnoticed.

I used the metaphor of a doctor killing a chronically ill patient because I think he was hoping that his coworkers would realize he had committed suicide but would allow the death to remain as a murder - which is a crime, to cover up evidence, just as a doctor giving a patient too much of a drug is a crime, but a crime committed with the best of intentions, and without a victim, unless you count the insurance company.


Maybe if the death hadn't sparked so much interest they could have let it lie, but with so much scrutiny, I don't think they can.  

[chiver78]

Sept 17, 2015 8:48:43 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

This rumor has been there from about day five.
They had an ex-officer who went ballistic on the police last week demanding they list it as a suicide,  and I think he even threatened them, so the media has taken this a little more serious.

I wonder what that guy's problem was...?

[haapai]

Maybe he's been to a lot of funerals for cops that killed themselves?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

Or broke ass Illinois just doesn't want to pay up. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

Another way to consider this is how many police resources have gone into looking for someone who does not exist?  How many people have had been put on the back burner because the cops were trying to find whomever killed one of their own?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

Official: Illinois cop's death will be declared a suicide

[Pants]

Sept 19, 2015 15:42:42 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Sept 16, 2015 10:39:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Interesting twist in the police officer who radioed that he was pursuing three suspects through a woody area and was later found dead - he may have killed himself.

Police are keeping mum, but some of the evidence points to this.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-illinois-police-investigating-if-officer-thought-to-be-killed-actually-committed-suicide/ar-AAelzGD?li=BBieTUX&ocid=iehp

Which would actually be very clever, on his part, if it was true.

If he was struggling with MH issues and wanted to commit suicide, I think that voids your life insurance policy, plus his children would have to live with the memory that their father killed himself.

Instead, his family gets his insurance plus whatever the police pay out for cops murdered in the line of duty,  his wife and kids gets get tons of community support, no one in his family has to find his body, and his kids get to remember him as a hero, not a suicide.

If he did this, he did it in a way that took care of his family. Very clever, but sad if he felt he had to resort to this.

Another way to consider this is how many police resources have gone into looking for someone who does not exist?  How many people have had been put on the back burner because the cops were trying to find whomever killed one of their own?

I've seen over $300k spent on the manhunt. Plus all schools, businesses etc. went into lockdown. People were terrified.

[Tennesseer]

Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz committed suicide two months ago after committing a series of alleged crimes over the course of years, Lake County authorities said Wednesday.

At a news conference, Lake County Major Crime Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko said Gliniewicz, 52, shot himself to death in a "carefully staged suicide" as the result of "extensive criminal acts."

Gliniewicz for years ran the village’s Explorers program, which gave aspiring officers policing experience, and he had been stealing and laundering money for years, Filenko said. He stole thousands of dollars that he used for personal purposes, including mortgage payments, travel and adult websites, Filenko said.

The amount of theft was "in the five-figure range," Filenko said.

"This is the first time as a law enforcement officer...that I’ve felt ashamed by the acts of another police officer," he added.


Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

[zibazinski]

Omg. His poor family.

[ArchietheDragon]

Nov 4, 2015 12:41:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz committed suicide two months ago after committing a series of alleged crimes over the course of years, Lake County authorities said Wednesday.

At a news conference, Lake County Major Crime Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko said Gliniewicz, 52, shot himself to death in a "carefully staged suicide" as the result of "extensive criminal acts."

Gliniewicz for years ran the village’s Explorers program, which gave aspiring officers policing experience, and he had been stealing and laundering money for years, Filenko said. He stole thousands of dollars that he used for personal purposes, including mortgage payments, travel and adult websites, Filenko said.

The amount of theft was "in the five-figure range," Filenko said.

"This is the first time as a law enforcement officer...that I’ve felt ashamed by the acts of another police officer," he added.


Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

man, to kill yourself over $20k....   seems so crazy to me. 

[Tennesseer]

Nov 4, 2015 12:55:50 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Nov 4, 2015 12:41:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz committed suicide two months ago after committing a series of alleged crimes over the course of years, Lake County authorities said Wednesday.

At a news conference, Lake County Major Crime Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko said Gliniewicz, 52, shot himself to death in a "carefully staged suicide" as the result of "extensive criminal acts."

Gliniewicz for years ran the village’s Explorers program, which gave aspiring officers policing experience, and he had been stealing and laundering money for years, Filenko said. He stole thousands of dollars that he used for personal purposes, including mortgage payments, travel and adult websites, Filenko said.

The amount of theft was "in the five-figure range," Filenko said.

"This is the first time as a law enforcement officer...that I’ve felt ashamed by the acts of another police officer," he added.


Fox Lake cop 'staged' suicide to cover criminal acts: officials

man, to kill yourself over $20k....   seems so crazy to me. 

Guilt? Possibly realizing he is about to get nabbed?

People have committed suicide for even lesser reasons.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 4, 2015 12:54:32 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Omg. His poor family.

No insurance payout if suicide cancelled the policy. Probably no police benefits too because it was a suicide. Family will be going through hard times for quite some time because of his actions.

[ArchietheDragon]

Nov 4, 2015 12:58:29 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 4, 2015 12:55:50 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

man, to kill yourself over $20k....   seems so crazy to me. 

Guilt? Possibly realizing he is about to get nabbed?

People have committed suicide for even lesser reasons.

True.  If there was something else going on I understand.  But guilt over $20k..    man.. 

[zibazinski]

Used to be insurance had to pay out after two years regardless of cause of death.

[The Captain]

While I feel for the family, have to admit I'm majorly pissed about this.

We're in this area.  Schools were on lockdown.  I have train friends who knew people whose houses were searched.   People in the area were terrified there were cop killers on the loose.  I was sick about sending my daughter to school for the next few days.

This Dude knew what the reaction would be and didn't give a damn.  What his family will go through now will be far worse than if he'd been found and convicted of relatively minor offenses.

[Deleted]

Pissed off is about right, all of the collection jars are out of the local businesses I have been to today.

[zibazinski]

It's not his family's fault. They need support now more than ever and not just financial. Please don't blame them.

[fishy999]

Probably not the money as much as a police officer faced with doing time- not very popular in prison.

[marvholly]

Nov 4, 2015 13:21:35 GMT -5 The Captain said:

While I feel for the family, have to admit I'm majorly pissed about this.

We're in this area.  Schools were on lockdown.  I have train friends who knew people whose houses were searched.   People in the area were terrified there were cop killers on the loose.  I was sick about sending my daughter to school for the next few days.

This Dude knew what the reaction would be and didn't give a damn.  What his family will go through now will be far worse than if he'd been found and convicted of relatively minor offenses.

I am in northern Cook County so about 45 min-1 hr away.  At first I, too, felt sorry for the family because of probable insurance & pension issues.  However, per the late news on Wed eve the wife & oldest son are being investigated as do-conspirators.

Dumb, Dumber & Dumbest to lose all the benefits of a LONG career over 20K.

[zibazinski]

No kidding. We have in the newspaper employees who steal way more than that and they not only avoid jail, they pay it back at such a ridiculous rate that no one will ever get their money back.

[Tennesseer]

This just gets more sordid.


Detective: 'Hero' cop sought hit-man to cover up thefts


FOX LAKE, Ill. — Months before an Illinois police officer staged his suicide to look like murder, prompting an expensive manhunt that put his community under siege, he tried to find a hit man to kill a village administrator he feared would expose him as a thief, a detective told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Det. Chris Covelli said Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz sent a text in April asking a woman to contact a "high ranking gang member to put a hit on the village manager." Gliniewicz also texted that perhaps the hit man could "plant something" on the manager, Covelli said.

Investigators found small packages of cocaine in his desk, "not linked to any case that we could find," and believe Gliniewicz may have sought to frame the manager, Anne Marrin, as a drug criminal before she exposed him as an embezzler, the detective said.

Marrin, the village's first professional administrator, was auditing Fox Lake's finances, including the Police Explorers program that authorities say he secretly embezzled from for seven years.

Full article here:
Detective: 'Hero' cop sought hit-man to cover up thefts