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Post by mmhmm on Sept 13, 2015 12:03:09 GMT -5
Because the real agenda is not marriage equality, but the criminalization of Christianity. yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... What the h e double hockey sticks? There is no conspiracy against Christianity! That's a ridiculous notion. People can believe whatever is right for them. What none of us can do is project our beliefs on others and expect those others to comply. Live your life in the way that serves you best and leave others to do the same. The kind of hyperbole found in statements like the quoted one is destructive to everyone, Christian or not!
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2015 12:26:49 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2015 13:08:49 GMT -5
yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... What the h e double hockey sticks? There is no conspiracy against Christianity! That's a ridiculous notion. People can believe whatever is right for them. What none of us can do is project our beliefs on others and expect those others to comply. Live your life in the way that serves you best and leave others to do the same. The kind of hyperbole found in statements like the quoted one is destructive to everyone, Christian or not! i think that the more realistic view of this holy war is that it is against all religions OTHER than Christianity. in other words, this is about the fear on the left that all religions OTHER than Christianity will be "criminalized". and, of course, in a country where five out of every six people are Christian, this is more than a slight possibility. the only way of preventing it, as Richard correctly states, is to honor the spirit of the 1st amendment and maintain a wall between church and state.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 13, 2015 16:44:44 GMT -5
Plot to jail Christians? So what do you do with gay Christians?
Don't we have religious freedom- and freedom from religion wrapped up in the same document? You take this lady who decides 'her' interpretation of 'her' religion supercedes her oath of office and people back her? Those people are the ones subverting the rule of law in favor of a theocracy- they are no different than the people pushing Sharia law in other countries. No war on religion in this country exists- just a persecution complex by people that can't handle people being free to disagree with them and their powerlessness to stop it.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 13, 2015 17:11:49 GMT -5
Of course we do. Freedom OF religion necessarily entails freedom FROM religion. The two are inextricably entwined. I have had people try to shout me down for that, but all they do is demonstrate their inability to either think logically or divorce their beliefs from their "logic."
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 13, 2015 19:34:04 GMT -5
... - just a persecution complex by people that can't handle people being free to disagree with them and their powerlessness to stop it. I think for some it is the fact for so long they were able to use the power of government to support their religion and they resent that they can't do that any longer.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 13, 2015 21:24:35 GMT -5
Because the real agenda is not marriage equality, but the criminalization of Christianity. yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... It's already happening.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2015 21:54:50 GMT -5
yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... It's already happening. horse feathers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 0:05:28 GMT -5
yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... It's already happening. No it's not. All that's happening is Christianity is being pulled out of government. AND, that's actually a GOOD thing.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 14, 2015 1:06:40 GMT -5
I'll see your horse feathers and raise you a bull puckey!
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Post by tallguy on Sept 14, 2015 1:20:19 GMT -5
yeah, because this is a realistic thing that could happen in a culture that is 84% Christian...... It's already happening. It's not, and no reasonable person could think so, but even if it were, what possible relevance could such a thing ever have for you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 5:08:02 GMT -5
It's not, and no reasonable person could think so, but even if it were, what possible relevance could such a thing ever have for you? "Reasonable" people don't want to force their beliefs on others... (for the record, MOST Christians I know {and likely most of them in general} don't want to force their beliefs on others... so THEY, the ones that DON'T want to, are "reasonable people"... they aren't the ones I'm referring to)
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 14, 2015 7:28:55 GMT -5
It's not, and no reasonable person could think so, but even if it were, what possible relevance could such a thing ever have for you? "Reasonable" people don't want to force their beliefs on others... (for the record, MOST Christians I know {and likely most of them in general} don't want to force their beliefs on others... so THEY, the ones that DON'T want to, are "reasonable people"... they aren't the ones I'm referring to) I would add sane to the mix, as in "no sane and reasonable person could think..."
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Post by tallguy on Sept 15, 2015 21:19:39 GMT -5
Absolutely correct, yet still destined to be totally ignored by the hopelessly myopic....
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 15, 2015 21:34:15 GMT -5
Absolutely correct, yet still destined to be totally ignored by the hopelessly myopic.... I don't post for him. I am the one he has on ignore. I post for the rest of the folks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 21:38:47 GMT -5
Absolutely correct, yet still destined to be totally ignored by the hopelessly myopic.... Unfortunately true... because (as they believe) "Not being allowed to force [their] beliefs on others is repression of [their] ability to force [their] beliefs on others... see? Repression!"
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 16, 2015 0:08:15 GMT -5
I feel so bad for the oppressed Christians in this country What a cross they bear
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 16, 2015 0:19:30 GMT -5
Anyone interested in the multitude of passages in the Bible modern Christians ignore?
Some claim that Jesus cast the Old Testament aside- which is easily proven wrong- but does beg the question why people like Kim Davis has a Bible with both books in it- she is an adulteress according to the good book- don't recall her asking to be stoned to death.
How much longer is modern society going to put up with this bullshit?
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 16, 2015 19:48:54 GMT -5
Let's be careful here. There's no need to attack religion in general. Everyone has a right to their own personal and spiritual beliefs. If you don't believe, that's what's right for you, just as belief is the right thing for those who do believe. Neither side has any right to push their beliefs on others. Cut it out, please, with the smart cracks. Thanks.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 16, 2015 22:45:50 GMT -5
Let's be careful here. There's no need to attack religion in general. Everyone has a right to their own personal and spiritual beliefs. If you don't believe, that's what's right for you, just as belief is the right thing for those who do believe. Neither side has any right to push their beliefs on others. Cut it out, please, with the smart cracks. Thanks. mmhmm, Administrator She is using the Old Testament to defy doing her job- I think it is quite relevant what the Old Testament actually says and as a wiser person said- does her Bible contain the Old Testament, and why, since Jesus changed the rules. Just my opinion but people against same sex marriage are just angry losers that have some need to be assholes to other people.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 16, 2015 22:55:28 GMT -5
Let's be careful here. There's no need to attack religion in general. Everyone has a right to their own personal and spiritual beliefs. If you don't believe, that's what's right for you, just as belief is the right thing for those who do believe. Neither side has any right to push their beliefs on others. Cut it out, please, with the smart cracks. Thanks. mmhmm, Administrator She is using the Old Testament to defy doing her job- I think it is quite relevant what the Old Testament actually says and as a wiser person said- does her Bible contain the Old Testament, and why, since Jesus changed the rules. Just my opinion but people against same sex marriage are just angry losers that have some need to be assholes to other people. Read my post again, please, with special attention to the bolded sentence. The conversation was turning toward insults to religion as a whole, not one person's misuse of it.
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