Robert not Bobby
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Sept 4, 2015 13:28:47 GMT -5
A Pledge is symbolic...I guess that counts for something.
What leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the use of pledges, by powerful interest groups, to define what a President can and cannot do...or "he/she broke the pledge".
Stupid games.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 4, 2015 16:20:31 GMT -5
Where there any showgirls at 'Trump! The news conference!'?
Sounds like a Las Vegas auto show.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2015 16:24:35 GMT -5
me too, Bobby. but we elect presidents on what they are going to do, not who they are. that is how we distinguish them: at the policy level. i am starting to think that Trump has no specific policy ideas, and that this is all blather- unless he can demonstrate some detail, and some understanding of the job at hand, he is not going to make it. he might be able to run a casino, but i don't know if he can govern. that is what he has to show. so far, i am thinking he would make a really fine dictator, but i am deeply unsure of what kind of president he would make. Well DJ, Trump may be many things but a policy wonk is not one of them. He is a populist...throwing out some big ideas that resonate with many people. He doesn't want to be confused by details. He would make an atrocious President, but then Presidents have advisers who are more level headed. my thoughts on this: Bush was an atrocious president who relied on advisers which appeared to be high quality. because he had no real core as a person (imo), and no real solid ideas of his own (imo), and was not detail oriented, the details were left to people like Cheney and Rumsfeld. so, i guess, if he is going to preside through advisers, i need to evaluate THEM rather than Trump. if he continues to say "the best people", that is not really cutting it. i am sure that Stalin surrounded himself with very capable men, as well. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 4, 2015 16:54:36 GMT -5
Well DJ, Trump may be many things but a policy wonk is not one of them. He is a populist...throwing out some big ideas that resonate with many people. He doesn't want to be confused by details. He would make an atrocious President, but then Presidents have advisers who are more level headed. my thoughts on this: Bush was an atrocious president who relied on advisers which appeared to be high quality. because he had no real core as a person (imo), and no real solid ideas of his own (imo), and was not detail oriented, the details were left to people like Cheney and Rumsfeld. so, i guess, if he is going to preside through advisers, i need to evaluate THEM rather than Trump. if he continues to say "the best people", that is not really cutting it. i am sure that Stalin surrounded himself with very capable men, as well. So did 'He-who-must-not-be-named' (Godwin's Law). |
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 4, 2015 22:35:20 GMT -5
A Trump pledge- or a pledge in general is worth squat. One thing he said the other day was about the Iran deal- and comparing it to a contract- A pledge is no contract- and he knows it. He is trolling the GOP and has no plans to be president. And even if he was serious- he would hardly be a conservative president if the impossible happened.
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2015 22:04:50 GMT -5
A Pledge is symbolic...I guess that counts for something. What leaves a sour taste in my mouth is the use of pledges, by powerful interest groups, to define what a President can and cannot do...or "he/she broke the pledge". Stupid games. Exactly. He and they should ignore it, along with all other pledges. If you are a good candidate you are a good candidate. If you're not, you're not. A pledge won't make any difference to that. And worse, all it does is take away options. Look at the Grover Norquist pledge to never raise taxes. A blind devotion to never raising taxes regardless of economic result or utility is silly. There are times when it is appropriate, even necessary, and to blindly take away a weapon at your disposal is lunacy. Look how well taking the pledge worked out for George Bush Sr. Weak candidates pandering to an uninformed and unthinking electorate. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2015 21:50:12 GMT -5
you don't think he would get sued, at a minimum? Sued for what? Breaking a legally non-binding pledge? Good luck with that. Republicans and Democrats have broken with the party before over lots of issues. There's no legal recourse. All they can do is withdraw party support. If he runs as an independent he wouldn't get Republican party support anyway. Whoever gets the Republican nomination could beat him up with it during the election. That's really all they could do though. if this is a toothless pledge, then why would the GOP care if he signed it? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 6, 2015 22:06:30 GMT -5
if this is a toothless pledge, then why would the GOP care if he signed it? So they can beat him over the head with it during the election of he breaks the pledge. Remember how Romney was called a flip-flopper every two seconds. They want to be able to do that if he breaks the pledge. ok, that makes sense. |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 6, 2015 22:22:02 GMT -5
If the reason for breaking the pledge makes sense to Trump's supporters, it will make no difference if those who gave him that reason attempt to beat him over the head with it.
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