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Post by kent on Aug 10, 2015 14:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 10, 2015 14:14:18 GMT -5
Well...she had a right to an education also and she didn't take advantage of that one!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 14:20:08 GMT -5
Well, there's no telling what he might have had to deal with if they'd allowed him to make the delivery. So I can go along with them telling him not to make the delivery. But I would have preferred if if they had also refused to send another driver and refunded her money.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 10, 2015 14:23:41 GMT -5
I don't know the rules about this to be honest. I do know when I volunteered in a nursing home the residents had the "right" to demand that only certain demographics be allowed to assist them.
Not sure if that is still the case, though.
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Post by imawino on Aug 10, 2015 14:37:50 GMT -5
And there's on of the top problems with US society today. Guess what....you do NOT have the right to whatever the hell you want. Ignorant f'ing racist. ugh I don't know why anything surprises me anymore.
On a positive note - I read the link and they fired the manager who made the decision to accommodate this particular customer. Although he may have at some point been told by his boss that "the customer is always right" and was just trying to abide by that.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Aug 10, 2015 14:37:59 GMT -5
If I knew the customer had made this request, I would be inclined to not send a black driver, because I would not want my employee to confront a bigot and possibly racist customer. But I probably would have simply told the customer we can not honor his request and he needs to make other delivery arrangements or he can get a refund.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 10, 2015 14:48:42 GMT -5
Yeah I was just thinking, no way would I let my black employee make this delivery. This jackass might meet him at the door with a shot gun.
But I would have told the guy we don't send out our delivery people based on their race, so I can't make a home delivery for him. He would be welcome to come to the store, buy his crap and haul it himself, as long as the presence of other races at the store didn't freak him out too much.
There are such horrible people in the world. Too bad there isn't an 'unlike' button, and if enough of us pushed it for someone, God would smite them dead.
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Post by imawino on Aug 10, 2015 14:55:58 GMT -5
Yeah I was just thinking, no way would I let my black employee make this delivery. This jackass might meet him at the door with a shot gun. But I would have told the guy we don't send out our delivery people based on their race, so I can't make a home delivery for him. He would be welcome to come to the store, buy his crap and haul it himself, as long as the presence of other races at the store didn't freak him out too much. There are such horrible people in the world. Too bad there isn't an 'unlike' button, and if enough of us pushed it for someone, God would smite them dead.
I like this idea in theory - but I would probably have to start acting a lot nicer.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 10, 2015 15:06:33 GMT -5
Well, there's no telling what he might have had to deal with if they'd allowed him to make the delivery. So I can go along with them telling him not to make the delivery. But I would have preferred if if they had also refused to send another driver and refunded her money. This is exactly what should have been done.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2015 15:51:58 GMT -5
Well, there's no telling what he might have had to deal with if they'd allowed him to make the delivery. So I can go along with them telling him not to make the delivery. But I would have preferred if if they had also refused to send another driver and refunded her money. This is exactly what should have been done. I agree and tell the customer the sale is cancelled and his cc has been credited.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:54:13 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah I was just thinking, no way would I let my black employee make this delivery. This jackass might meet him at the door with a shot gun. But I would have told the guy we don't send out our delivery people based on their race, so I can't make a home delivery for him. He would be welcome to come to the store, buy his crap and haul it himself, as long as the presence of other races at the store didn't freak him out too much. There are such horrible people in the world. Too bad there isn't an 'unlike' button, and if enough of us pushed it for someone, God would smite them dead.
Because God needs us to let Him know what is right and what is wrong. Stupid God.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 10, 2015 16:13:44 GMT -5
WTF is wrong with people??
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Post by The Captain on Aug 10, 2015 16:28:54 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Sad thing is (depending on how much your grandmother weighed) he may have been the most gentle/stongest while handling her. Two big strong dudes can do a bed transfer/change sheets much more quickly (and with less bumps) than four lightweight chicks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 16:32:43 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Sad thing is (depending on how much your grandmother weighed) he may have been the most gentle/stongest while handling her. Two big strong dudes can do a bed transfer/change sheets much more quickly (and with less bumps) than four lightweight chicks. She was born in 1901 and lived in a different world. She probably weighed maybe 80 pounds. She was ~5' 2" at her tallest and shrank with age. She was petite. The guy was very gracious and kind.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 10, 2015 16:37:31 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Sometimes, the ONLY staff we have on a floor is black. What are we to do then?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 10, 2015 16:39:51 GMT -5
We did have an old woman who didn't want a black nursing aide. We gave her a choice....sit in your own filth all day, or accept the help. She accepted the help.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 10, 2015 16:43:35 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Sometimes, the ONLY staff we have on a floor is black. What are we to do then? Send them out to the fields to pick the cotton, duh!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 10, 2015 16:45:07 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Would she have asked for a different NA if he was a big white guy?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 16:49:38 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Would she have asked for a different NA if he was a big white guy? No, it was because he was black. I never knew her to say a bad thing about anyone, but apparently that bothered her. I am not defending her except to say that she grew up in a different time with different thinking. She has been dead now for awhile. I said mid 90's and she was 88, but that was wrong. She died when she was 88 and was born in '01 so would have been late 80's, not that that matters.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 10, 2015 16:52:07 GMT -5
I think the manager would have been fired if they'd refunded the money and refused delivery. There's no winning this one for the manager.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2015 16:54:19 GMT -5
My (white) old, slightly demented grandmother got confused and wondered into the street during the winter night only wearing her nightgown. It was a black man who picked her up and carried her to safety. She and her family were thankful someone took the time to take good care of her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:00:44 GMT -5
Had I been that Lowe's manager, I'd've refused to deliver the item, and I would have given them the following offer: "Because we can't deliver the item to you at your request, AND the delivery was already en-route, you can either come pick up your item at {address of delivery warehouse}, or we will refund your purchase minus the delivery charge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:03:46 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Having someone help take care of you is much more personal, and I can give a little old lady a pass on preferring to have someone assist her that she wasn't a little afraid of. I can make some sense out of an 88yo woman feeling vulnerable, even if the reason is off-base. Demanding that a company not send someone black to make a delivery to your property just because you think you can, is not the same thing to me.
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Post by kent on Aug 10, 2015 17:07:02 GMT -5
My (white) old, slightly demented grandmother got confused and wondered into the street during the winter night only wearing her nightgown. It was a black man who picked her up and carried her to safety. She and her family were thankful someone took the time to take good care of her. Oh, crud. That's a touching story Tenn. Too bad racists don't experience kind of thing early on in life - I think their would be fewer of them running around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:11:13 GMT -5
My grandmother went to a nursing home in the mid 90's when she was 88. She had a big black man who was a nursing assistant of some kind and she asked for a different person, because he was big and black. He was gracious about it. She got a different person. In her defense she was a bit scared, maybe not rightfully so, though. Having someone help take care of you is much more personal, and I can give a little old lady a pass on preferring to have someone assist her that she wasn't a little afraid of. I can make some sense out of an 88yo woman feeling vulnerable, even if the reason is off-base. Demanding that a company not send someone black to make a delivery to your property just because you think you can, is not the same thing to me. I thought it was different too and wasn't really comparing the two. The guy in the OP was a jerk and way more wrong.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 10, 2015 17:13:58 GMT -5
My (white) old, slightly demented grandmother got confused and wondered into the street during the winter night only wearing her nightgown. It was a black man who picked her up and carried her to safety. She and her family were thankful someone took the time to take good care of her. Oh, crud. That's a touching story Tenn. Too bad racists don't experience kind of thing early on in life - I think their would be fewer of them running around. In the thirty odd years I knew her, Kent, I never knew her to say an unkind thing about anyone or any thing. She was a lovely woman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:14:52 GMT -5
It's the exact same thing. If I'm afraid of large black men I could be legitimately afraid of one being sent to my house. Especially if I'm home alone. They're either both ignorant and wrong, or neither are. We're more likely to give the little old lady a pass, but she's still being a racist. For all we know the customer demanding a white deliveryman is also a little old lady, does that make her request acceptable? its not the same thing at all. Both are racist, but one is about being in very close proximity to someone who scares you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:21:16 GMT -5
its not the same thing at all. Both are racist, but one is about being in very close proximity to someone who scares you. Don't really have a horse in this race opinion-wise... but have to ask. You don't think having someone in your house is close proximity? My grandmother would have been in a bed with the nursing assistant doing whatever it is they do, to her. If someone delivers something to my house, they don't have to get any closer then handing me a paper to sign. It seems like a different vulnerability to me. If the guy was really scared, he could put a pistol in his back pocket. And people born 114 years ago just thought about race different.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 17:23:23 GMT -5
It's the exact same thing. If I'm afraid of large black men I could be legitimately afraid of one being sent to my house. Especially if I'm home alone. They're either both ignorant and wrong, or neither are. We're more likely to give the little old lady a pass, but she's still being a racist. For all we know the customer demanding a white deliveryman is also a little old lady, does that make her request acceptable? I said it's not the same thing to me. It's ok if other people see it differently. An 88yo woman in a nursing home is probably there because she needs some help taking care of herself, meaning she probably didn't have much choice but to be in one. I didn't say her request was acceptable, I said I can make some sense out of it since he said she was afraid. Shopping and having things delivered is usually voluntary. If the Lowe's customer was a little old lady making the demand because she was afraid, she should probably be in a nursing home too.
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