Two Shot in Ferguson

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What had been a peaceful demonstration on the anniversary of Michael Brown's death was marred by shootings last night. At this time, it appears two people were shot. One, a young man, is in a St. Louis hospital, in critical condition and taken to surgery. Don't know anything about the other one. Looting was a problem in at least one case but the perpetrators weren't protesters. Don't know much more than that. Got it from a live stream from Ferguson.

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Has anything in Ferguson changed int he last year?  Or has it just been reports and empty talk?  It is sad but the only way Ferguson gets heard if is people there riot.  Voting isn't going to work.  Lots of people there are disenfrachised of the vote. Cops kills someone and "Oh well, he was probably guilty anyway, lets have some other cops look into it and see".  People are looked at as money for the coffers and if they dont like it, too bad.  I think the whole of the US will go that way if good people don't start demanding change. I don't know how to do that, but that is what I think will happen.  Either justice will come because good people demand it or bad people will demand it in destructive ways.

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What is the solution to Ferguson? I saw where a shop owner would not board up his windows because he did not want to live in a Mad Max world.  How could he get on the side of those who are rioting?  Or do you think the rioters are not able open to reason or good will.

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Unfortunate. It does seem some criminals and fringe elements take control of protests like this. But I do wish the real protesters would do more to condemn and root out these people in their midst.

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Aug 10, 2015 21:42:38 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Unfortunate. It does seem some criminals and fringe elements take control of protests like this. But I do wish the real protesters would do more to condemn and root out these people in their midst.

If it were not for the criminals and fringe elements know one would know about the protests in Ferguson. Peaceful demonstrators would just be ignored.  The only reason people pay attention now is because of the violence.

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Aug 10, 2015 21:42:38 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Unfortunate. It does seem some criminals and fringe elements take control of protests like this. But I do wish the real protesters would do more to condemn and root out these people in their midst.

That element really doesn't "take control", Phoenix. The press, however, swarms to them. That's what they're there to see, and to cover. The "real" protesters aren't able to do much about these elements because they don't know where they're going to strike, and the movements of the protesters are controlled. They try. They use bullhorns to try to talk to the fools, if they can get to where the fools are, but it's to no avail. Them what gonna loot - gonna loot. You really have to be there, I think, to understand the logistics and the real difficulty involved, on both sides (protesters and law enforcement), in controlling the mess. Many of the trouble-makers aren't even from Ferguson.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 11, 2015 5:04:41 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Aug 10, 2015 21:42:38 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Unfortunate. It does seem some criminals and fringe elements take control of protests like this. But I do wish the real protesters would do more to condemn and root out these people in their midst.

If it were not for the criminals and fringe elements know one would know about the protests in Ferguson. Peaceful demonstrators would just be ignored.  The only reason people pay attention now is because of the violence.

Maybe if they got NO publicity, it would stop.

There were local reports in WA of the peaceful demonstrations in Ferguson on our news, so what you said about the violence promoting the publicity is not quite correct.  The news also reported when the demonstrations got violent.

I do know that peaceful demonstrations in Seattle get publicity as I see it regularly on the news - just like I saw the demonstrations in Ferguson.  However, when they become violent (and they have, on occasion), it really defeats the purpose of their demonstration.  People that were sympathetic to their cause get pissed at the destruction and ultimate cost to the city.  It really defeats the purpose of their demonstration....too bad they don't realize this.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 11, 2015 12:27:08 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Aug 11, 2015 11:10:26 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Maybe if they got NO publicity, it would stop.

There were local reports in WA of the peaceful demonstrations in Ferguson on our news, so what you said about the violence promoting the publicity is not quite correct.  The news also reported when the demonstrations got violent.

I do know that peaceful demonstrations in Seattle get publicity as I see it regularly on the news - just like I saw the demonstrations in Ferguson.  However, when they become violent (and they have, on occasion), it really defeats the purpose of their demonstration.  People that were sympathetic to their cause get pissed at the destruction and ultimate cost to the city.  It really defeats the purpose of their demonstration....too bad they don't realize this.

Did you see Mr. Sanders get run over by the Black Lives Matter protesters in downtown Seattle

Yes, it was publicized too. 

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The elements that start trouble aren't around in the daytime when the "big press" is there. They want the cover of darkness. You'd be surprised, if you watch, what happens at night when those who have come to rob and, sometimes, to kill have the darkness they seek. The whole atmosphere changes.  What happened to Mr. Sanders wasn't violent but it was certainly disruptive. He was unable to continue because a few activists who felt they had the right to take over someone else's venue to promote their "product" wouldn't give way and allow him to do what he'd come to do. They're not necessarily highly admired by the black community as a whole. They're a splinter faction.

Also, Seattle isn't Ferguson. Not by a long shot. I used to live in St. Louis. I remember Ferguson. It was a long time ago but little has changed from what I can see.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Aug 11, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The elements that start trouble aren't around in the daytime when the "big press" is there. They want the cover of darkness. You'd be surprised, if you watch, what happens at night when those who have come to rob and, sometimes, to kill have the darkness they seek. The whole atmosphere changes.  What happened to Mr. Sanders wasn't violent but it was certainly disruptive. He was unable to continue because a few activists who felt they had the right to take over someone else's venue to promote their "product" wouldn't give way and allow him to do what he'd come to do. They're not necessarily highly admired by the black community as a whole. They're a splinter faction.

Also, Seattle isn't Ferguson. Not by a long shot. I used to live in St. Louis. I remember Ferguson. It was a long time ago but little has changed from what I can see.

I never said Seattle WAS Ferguson.  What I was responding to was that Ferguson does not get the publicity, and yet I was able to see the publicity out of the Seattle networks.  So claiming that they need violence to get publicity is not wholly correct.

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Aug 11, 2015 15:21:50 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 11, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The elements that start trouble aren't around in the daytime when the "big press" is there. They want the cover of darkness. You'd be surprised, if you watch, what happens at night when those who have come to rob and, sometimes, to kill have the darkness they seek. The whole atmosphere changes.  What happened to Mr. Sanders wasn't violent but it was certainly disruptive. He was unable to continue because a few activists who felt they had the right to take over someone else's venue to promote their "product" wouldn't give way and allow him to do what he'd come to do. They're not necessarily highly admired by the black community as a whole. They're a splinter faction.

Also, Seattle isn't Ferguson. Not by a long shot. I used to live in St. Louis. I remember Ferguson. It was a long time ago but little has changed from what I can see.

I never said Seattle WAS Ferguson.  What I was responding to was that Ferguson does not get the publicity, and yet I was able to see the publicity out of the Seattle networks.  So claiming that they need violence to get publicity is not wholly correct.

My point if you were responding to me was  not that they need violence to get publicity.  It was they need violence to get results.  If the police and government authorities can get money out of the blacks unfairly and with no repercussions , they will continue to do so.  I think violence sometimes works.

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Aug 11, 2015 15:21:50 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Aug 11, 2015 13:20:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The elements that start trouble aren't around in the daytime when the "big press" is there. They want the cover of darkness. You'd be surprised, if you watch, what happens at night when those who have come to rob and, sometimes, to kill have the darkness they seek. The whole atmosphere changes.  What happened to Mr. Sanders wasn't violent but it was certainly disruptive. He was unable to continue because a few activists who felt they had the right to take over someone else's venue to promote their "product" wouldn't give way and allow him to do what he'd come to do. They're not necessarily highly admired by the black community as a whole. They're a splinter faction.

Also, Seattle isn't Ferguson. Not by a long shot. I used to live in St. Louis. I remember Ferguson. It was a long time ago but little has changed from what I can see.

I never said Seattle WAS Ferguson.  What I was responding to was that Ferguson does not get the publicity, and yet I was able to see the publicity out of the Seattle networks.  So claiming that they need violence to get publicity is not wholly correct.

Ahh. My bad. I misinterpreted. I don't think they need the violence, either; however, I'm aware of the sensationalism the press feeds on. It's not necessarily the fault of the press, as the public is just as guilty of feeding on the more sensational "news". Still, it is the sensational that makes the big stories most of the time.