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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 30, 2015 12:13:47 GMT -5
Labor is about 20K, misc materials another 10K including floors, a new window (moving walls, load bearing beam (we're opening up a pass-through area) tile backsplash, take out a full window and build up a knee wall and put in a smaller window (for more cabinet space). Putting in a 10ft (not a typo) island with a raised end/eating area at one end and a separate prep sink at the other end. Undercabinet and task lightening. Quartz countertops. Yes, I could save about 3-4K going cheaper on the countertops but quartz is another hill I decided to die on.
As a head's up, the quartz countertops and tile back splash we put in last summer ran about $10,000 when all was said and done. We have a large island that has the sink at one end and an eating area at the other but this was already in place.
The way it broke down was that the quartz, it's installation, the limestone back splash and it's installation ran about $7800. We replaced the sink ($600), hot water tap, faucet, garbage disposal ($600ish). The plumber that we got to set the sink and install the faucets/garbage disposal was $500. Finish carpenter that we got in to take down the cabinets (appliance garage, so needed to pull out 3 cabinets to pull this out for the countertops) and reinstall after the counters were in and back splash tiled was $300. $200 was probably a week worth of take out while the kitchen was useless.
For the quartz, the island is about 10' long and 4' wide. We have about 12' of linear counter space so around 64 sq ft of quartz.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jul 30, 2015 12:56:23 GMT -5
Ugh! Quite the battle you're having. If you're that busy during Jan - March, what if you and the fam moved into like a long term Marriott's suite for a month and let the contractors work two full shifts to get it done more quickly? You might break even on the cost if they are able to work during their slow season and get it done quickly?
*disclaimer--I have never ever ever done such a thing. I just watch a lot of HGTV and that's one of the Property Brothers strategies.
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Post by Bonny on Jul 30, 2015 18:04:46 GMT -5
Labor is about 20K, misc materials another 10K including floors, a new window (moving walls, load bearing beam (we're opening up a pass-through area) tile backsplash, take out a full window and build up a knee wall and put in a smaller window (for more cabinet space). Putting in a 10ft (not a typo) island with a raised end/eating area at one end and a separate prep sink at the other end. Undercabinet and task lightening. Quartz countertops. Yes, I could save about 3-4K going cheaper on the countertops but quartz is another hill I decided to die on.As a head's up, the quartz countertops and tile back splash we put in last summer ran about $10,000 when all was said and done. We have a large island that has the sink at one end and an eating area at the other but this was already in place. The way it broke down was that the quartz, it's installation, the limestone back splash and it's installation ran about $7800. We replaced the sink ($600), hot water tap, faucet, garbage disposal ($600ish). The plumber that we got to set the sink and install the faucets/garbage disposal was $500. Finish carpenter that we got in to take down the cabinets (appliance garage, so needed to pull out 3 cabinets to pull this out for the countertops) and reinstall after the counters were in and back splash tiled was $300. $200 was probably a week worth of take out while the kitchen was useless. For the quartz, the island is about 10' long and 4' wide. We have about 12' of linear counter space so around 64 sq ft of quartz. I was able to snag a sale on my Quartz at Home Depot.
We had four slabs altogether; 10' x 26" counter, 6' x 26" counter that forms an "L" with a 7 1/2' x 4 1/2' peninsula, and a 27" x 51" island. Not sure how one calculates linear feet given the different widths (sq.ft. is 78) but the cost was about $5k including quartz backsplash.
Biggest cost was cabinets. All have drawers and I retrofitted the existing island and breakfast room cabinets with roll-out drawers. I think they came to about $18k.
My big savings was keeping the existing tile floor which only needed a minor repairs due to the wall removal.
Kept the sink in the same location. Got my Kohler over-sized single basin sink from Amazon.
Fridge in the same location. Plumber only had to pull gas line from stub-out we did 12 years before when we did an addition. Plus hook up the sink, faucet, garbage disposal.
Got mid-range appliances; French door fridge with water only dispenser, slide in 5 burner cooktop/convection oven, over cooktop venting convection microwave and Bosch dishwasher at Sears during one of the holiday sales for about $5k.
And of course my wonderful local contractors for another $5k.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 31, 2015 9:10:27 GMT -5
Ugh! Quite the battle you're having. If you're that busy during Jan - March, what if you and the fam moved into like a long term Marriott's suite for a month and let the contractors work two full shifts to get it done more quickly? You might break even on the cost if they are able to work during their slow season and get it done quickly?
*disclaimer--I have never ever ever done such a thing. I just watch a lot of HGTV and that's one of the Property Brothers strategies. Seriously woman?!? Are you trying to drive me over the edge . DH has me nailed. I'm a cat. I HATE having my routine disrupted. Any disruption in my life makes my fur stand on end. During the busy season I need as much normalcy as possible. I was only kinda kidding about sleeping at the office, but in truth I need the comfort of my home and my own bed more so then, than at any other time. Not having a working kitchen then actually wouldn't be so bad because I do miss a lot of weeknight dinners. We could set up a temporary kitchen in the basement, so I could cope with that. In addition, there are no long-term temporary housing out where we're at that's close to DD's school and my train line. (Yea - I checked because maybe I couldn't treated it like a mini vacation - but no go). Good idea, though.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 31, 2015 10:02:37 GMT -5
Ugh! Quite the battle you're having. If you're that busy during Jan - March, what if you and the fam moved into like a long term Marriott's suite for a month and let the contractors work two full shifts to get it done more quickly? You might break even on the cost if they are able to work during their slow season and get it done quickly?
*disclaimer--I have never ever ever done such a thing. I just watch a lot of HGTV and that's one of the Property Brothers strategies. Seriously woman?!? Are you trying to drive me over the edge . DH has me nailed. I'm a cat. I HATE having my routine disrupted. Any disruption in my life makes my fur stand on end. During the busy season I need as much normalcy as possible. I was only kinda kidding about sleeping at the office, but in truth I need the comfort of my home and my own bed more so then, than at any other time. Not having a working kitchen then actually wouldn't be so bad because I do miss a lot of weeknight dinners. We could set up a temporary kitchen in the basement, so I could cope with that. In addition, there are no long-term temporary housing out where we're at that's close to DD's school and my train line. (Yea - I checked because maybe I couldn't treated it like a mini vacation - but no go). Good idea, though. Well LOL - you sound JUST like DH. He hates disruption to the house, and the last time we undertook some remodeling (two years ago) he turned into a full-blown crazy person. He acknowledged that it needed to be done, but it still drove him batty (grumpy, on-edge, little things set him off). When I finally get around to facelifting my kitchen (not a full re-do), I SWEAR I'm sending him on a mini-vacation! And I'm going to work with the contractor to make sure everything is planned out, scheduled, measured, ordered and onsite before anyone ever picks up a hammer. And I'm going to offer a bonus to the contractor if he can get it done in two weeks or less. THAT's how much DH hates his environment disrupted!
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 8:36:35 GMT -5
Ok, another quote in and another in progress. The latest quote was still jaw dropping but doable. This place comes highly recommended by a friend. Then we had another place come out last night. I previously mentioned our drama to one of my train friends and she told me her bff just redid her kitchen and was thrilled with it. I asked her if she would get the name of the company from the bff and she agreed. Well, not only was the bff willing to share the name of the company, but she was so pleased with the work she invited me (a total stranger) into her house to show off her new kitchen. It was nice! We had a glass of wine and chatted for over two hours while she showed me every detail and talked me through their process. I was so impressed with the quality of the work and I (unfortunately) tend to see the flaws right away. Construction is such a bitch I figure anyone that can still be happy at the end of it had to have a pretty good contractor, right? So that's the place that came last night. To be honest, most put-together of them all so far. It will take us two weeks to get a detailed (line item - yea!) quote from them. Then DH and I will decide on appliances and pick out the cabinets. EEEK! EEEK! EEEK! Appliances? I'm thinking a bosch dishwasher and cooktop. Have to go with a different mfg for the range hood because bosch doesn't make a 42" hood for their 36" cooktop. Then for fridge and microwave. Maybe this for the fridge: www.abt.com/product/68287/GE-PWE23KSDSS.htmlThis for the micro?: www.abt.com/product/71824/GE-PVM9195SFSS.htmlThis for the oven?: www.abt.com/product/70446/GE-JT3500SFSS.html
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 28, 2015 10:05:18 GMT -5
I hate that you have to reach for the controls over the burners, though. That's my dealbreaker on a new range. Dials have to be in front of the burners.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 28, 2015 10:36:44 GMT -5
Appliances? I'm thinking a bosch dishwasher and cooktop. Have to go with a different mfg for the range hood because bosch doesn't make a 42" hood for their 36" cooktop. Then for fridge and microwave.
LOVE the Bosch dishwasher we just put in. We went midrange, about $800 from Lowe's. There were 2, one was about $100 less but I wanted the dishwasher that had the recessed handle. I told TD that I'd be running my hip regularly into the handle if it stuck out.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 10:39:03 GMT -5
Appliances? I'm thinking a bosch dishwasher and cooktop. Have to go with a different mfg for the range hood because bosch doesn't make a 42" hood for their 36" cooktop. Then for fridge and microwave.LOVE the Bosch dishwasher we just put in. We went midrange, about $800 from Lowe's. There were 2, one was about $100 less but I wanted the dishwasher that had the recessed handle. I told TD that I'd be running my hip regularly into the handle if it stuck out. Why do you think I choose that brand? I'm more than happy to have someone else do my homework for me (Thanks BTW!!!)
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 10:39:45 GMT -5
I hate that you have to reach for the controls over the burners, though. That's my dealbreaker on a new range. Dials have to be in front of the burners. Ohhh, good point and one I didn't consider. I have to start writing this stuff down.! Thanks!!! Other suggestions anyone?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 28, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -5
Appliances? I'm thinking a bosch dishwasher and cooktop. Have to go with a different mfg for the range hood because bosch doesn't make a 42" hood for their 36" cooktop. Then for fridge and microwave.LOVE the Bosch dishwasher we just put in. We went midrange, about $800 from Lowe's. There were 2, one was about $100 less but I wanted the dishwasher that had the recessed handle. I told TD that I'd be running my hip regularly into the handle if it stuck out. Why do you think I choose that brand? I'm more than happy to have someone else do my homework for me (Thanks BTW!!!) If you want the model number......
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 12:21:55 GMT -5
Why do you think I choose that brand? I'm more than happy to have someone else do my homework for me (Thanks BTW!!!) If you want the model number...... Yes please!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 28, 2015 12:32:20 GMT -5
Sent you a PM.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 28, 2015 12:37:47 GMT -5
I hate that you have to reach for the controls over the burners, though. That's my dealbreaker on a new range. Dials have to be in front of the burners. Ohhh, good point and one I didn't consider. I have to start writing this stuff down.! Thanks!!! Other suggestions anyone? I only mention it because I've been there, gotten burned. Literally. Oh, and speaking of Bosch, I want this one:
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 12:55:28 GMT -5
NancysSummerSip- We actually want a gas cooktop and a double wall oven. The current dishwasher is on it's last legs so I don't feel bad about scrapping that. The oven (electric - blech!) is electric cooktop and oven. We might put that in storage and swap out when a rental needs a new one. Same for the fridge. It's nice, works, but is a side by side and we HATE that. I prefer French doors and we want to go cabinet depth (the current one sticks out and I worry about people bumping into it). This is the kinda expensive "ouch" that we're swapping out and really don't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 12:57:25 GMT -5
Hope the latest bid comes in at a price point you can work with.
Just an FYI from recently researching refrigerators, GE has a tendency to be loud. That is fine if your kitchen is separate, but if it opens into the family room, it can be annoying. My last kitchenaid fridge was loud, even though it didn't have an ice maker, so quiet was a priority for my last refrigerator purchase.
ETA: I love my Bosch dishwasher!
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Post by saveinla on Aug 28, 2015 13:02:28 GMT -5
NancysSummerSip- We actually want a gas cooktop and a double wall oven. The current dishwasher is on it's last legs so I don't feel bad about scrapping that. The oven (electric - blech!) is electric cooktop and oven. We might put that in storage and swap out when a rental needs a new one. Same for the fridge. It's nice, works, but is a side by side and we HATE that. I prefer French doors and we want to go cabinet depth (the current one sticks out and I worry about people bumping into it). This is the kinda expensive "ouch" that we're swapping out and really don't need to. Keep an eye on Home Depot for the fridge. We got ours on a 50% off deal last winter - French Door fridge (no water or ice on the door) and 150$ rebate from our power company on top of it. It was such a popular deal that it was on back order and we got ours 2 months after we ordered. It was Whirlpool/Maytag - www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool-25-2-cu-ft-French-Door-Refrigerator-in-Monochromatic-Stainless-Steel-WRF535SMBM/204177400
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 28, 2015 13:23:51 GMT -5
You have fewer family members than I do, but consider that the counter-depth fridges are REALLY shallow and don't hold nearly as much food -- or large items such as pans or turkeys, etc. -- as the deeper fridges do. One of our rentals had a counter-depth fridge and it was a total PITA to fit my regular weekly grocery shopping into. But, I am feeding teenage boys with hollow legs, so my regular weekly grocery shopping would wipe local grocery stores out of food as if a hurricane was coming. Since you're basically gutting the room, can you find a way to "enclose" the fridge in deeper cabinets so that you can get a deeper fridge?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 28, 2015 13:37:48 GMT -5
NancysSummerSip- We actually want a gas cooktop and a double wall oven. The current dishwasher is on it's last legs so I don't feel bad about scrapping that. The oven (electric - blech!) is electric cooktop and oven. We might put that in storage and swap out when a rental needs a new one. Same for the fridge. It's nice, works, but is a side by side and we HATE that. I prefer French doors and we want to go cabinet depth (the current one sticks out and I worry about people bumping into it). This is the kinda expensive "ouch" that we're swapping out and really don't need to. No gas in my vicinity. There is a gas storage facility in town, but no lines to any homes. Go the heck figure. I'd have gas in a second if there was. I could have installed my own tank and lines, but the cost was about half my entire renovation budget at the time.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2015 14:07:39 GMT -5
You have fewer family members than I do, but consider that the counter-depth fridges are REALLY shallow and don't hold nearly as much food -- or large items such as pans or turkeys, etc. -- as the deeper fridges do. One of our rentals had a counter-depth fridge and it was a total PITA to fit my regular weekly grocery shopping into. But, I am feeding teenage boys with hollow legs, so my regular weekly grocery shopping would wipe local grocery stores out of food as if a hurricane was coming. Since you're basically gutting the room, can you find a way to "enclose" the fridge in deeper cabinets so that you can get a deeper fridge? We may have one or two in-law situations in a few years and I'm trying to make everything as easily accessible as possible. I've noticed how Dad is getting a little unsteady on his feet and I really want to reduce the bumping hazards. Even if our folks never move in, I'll still get fewer bruises given how clumsy I am. That's why we're not going with any bump outs in the kitchen. Rounded corners and molding on the countertops with as little overhang as possible. No transitions in the floors and wide openings in all the rooms. Once we get one more wall opened up the whole main floor will be wheelchair accessible if need be. I only have one teenaged girl eating machine. Some counter depth fridges actually hold a decent amount. www.abt.com/product/68287/GE-PWE23KSDSS.html This isn't bad, right? I actually have no idea how big our current fridge is.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 28, 2015 19:39:57 GMT -5
Appliances? I'm thinking a bosch dishwasher and cooktop. Have to go with a different mfg for the range hood because bosch doesn't make a 42" hood for their 36" cooktop. Then for fridge and microwave.
We are redoing our kitchen right now and tomorrow I'll order our appliances ..... dishwasher, microwave, dual oven range ....... all KitchenAid. We looked at Bosch and like what we saw but they don't make the dual oven range and KitchenAid does. We have a separate cooktop and range now but it's awkward in our kitchen, so a single unit is best for us.
We looked at all the ratings until our eyes crossed so we finally went to Best Buy and started talking. That's were we'll go tomorrow to get these items.
We have all electric and while I agree with reaching over for the controls can be hazardous, front controls are not good for kiddos.
The cost of the kitchen is $37,500 plus appliances. The person building our cabinets is the same one that built the wall unit for the family room and we are real happy with the results.
Good luck and go with your gut feeling.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 29, 2015 18:56:16 GMT -5
Well, we got the appliances ordered today ......... but not at Best Buy. In the Phoenix area is a family owned appliance and TV company and we stopped at one of their stores. Spencer's.
Sales people personable and knowledgeable. And have the appliances on display. Went to BB and felt it was a big box store that didn't need our business.
Went back to Spencer's and got everything ordered ..... now waiting for a date for delivery. And Spencer's beat BB price by $150, which is the cost of delivery and installation.
Plus a $300 rebate from KitchenAid. Labor Day weekend sales.
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