One Liberal's View On Gun Control.

[OldCoyote]

Hmmm, I wonder just how well this would work out?

newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/spencer-raley/2015/07/24/boston-globe-slate-freelancer-it-would-be-funny-if-all-gun-rights#.waxz0h:Qgyy 

Now I remember why I support the NRA.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 27, 2015 11:13:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Hmmm, I wonder just how well this would work out?

newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/spencer-raley/2015/07/24/boston-globe-slate-freelancer-it-would-be-funny-if-all-gun-rights#.waxz0h:Qgyy 

Now I remember why I support the NRA.

i disagree with this "liberal".  anyone who advocates violence against others should be taken out of circulation.

you can support the NRA all you wish, but don't think for a second that this guy represents the rest of us liberals, oc.

he doesn't.

[kent]

So, he hates guns but think they would be the appropriate "tool" to "resolve" his concerns and ownership objections? Makes perfect sense to a moron I guess.

Chicago has tough gun laws and that seems to be working out just fine.  Maybe this loon should just start a campaign to emulate those laws.

Oh, wait - maybe those laws don't work so well after all - this past weekend as an example:

Three men have been killed and at least 16 other people have been wounded in separate shootings since Saturday evening across the city, police said.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-men-killed-at-least-16-hurt-in-shootings-across-chicago/ar-AAdwTSx

[mollyanna58]

It is one idiot's view on gun control.

[kent]

you can support the NRA all you wish, but don't think for a second that this guy represents the rest of us liberals, oc.

he doesn't.

Agree 100% DJ.  My neighbor is as liberal as you can get and if you knew how much firepower he has, you'd think he was a founding father of the NRA

[OldCoyote]

Didn't you know that all of those deaths were caused by the NRA?

[Deleted]

Jul 27, 2015 11:18:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 27, 2015 11:13:09 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Hmmm, I wonder just how well this would work out?

newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/spencer-raley/2015/07/24/boston-globe-slate-freelancer-it-would-be-funny-if-all-gun-rights#.waxz0h:Qgyy 

Now I remember why I support the NRA.

i disagree with this "liberal".  anyone who advocates violence against others should be taken out of circulation.

you can support the NRA all you wish, but don't think for a second that this guy represents the rest of us liberals, oc.

he doesn't.

And how do you suggest he is to be taken "out of circulation"  ?

[kent]

Jul 27, 2015 13:49:24 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jul 27, 2015 11:18:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i disagree with this "liberal".  anyone who advocates violence against others should be taken out of circulation.

you can support the NRA all you wish, but don't think for a second that this guy represents the rest of us liberals, oc.

he doesn't.

And how do you suggest he is to be taken "out of circulation"  ?

While it would be easy to jump on that one and spin it, I think DJ means incarceration but it's not my position to defend his response - he's MORE than capable of doing that himself.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 27, 2015 13:49:24 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Jul 27, 2015 11:18:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i disagree with this "liberal".  anyone who advocates violence against others should be taken out of circulation.

you can support the NRA all you wish, but don't think for a second that this guy represents the rest of us liberals, oc.

he doesn't.

And how do you suggest he is to be taken "out of circulation"  ?

as far as i can tell, he is a menace.  at the very least, he should be approached about his "opinion" that people should be killed.

if he is SERIOUS about that threat, then i think he could be arrested for it.

[mroped]

First of all, that guy Luke something that is saying that he'd like to use a gun/s to shoot all second amendment supporters is not much of a liberal. He's just another idiot with a grudge!

And I believe I said it in the past but I see the need to reiterate: not all liberals are against second amendment!!!
It just happens that I am a liberal and I own guns(quite a few I might add) and I love them and I would like to see the poor SOB that's coming after my guns if we ever get there. It won't be prety!
However, all my weapons were acquired thru legal channels and with complete background check each time. Also all of them fall under "legal for civilian possession and use" as in no fully automatic weapons or any military provenience.
I have no intention or desire to purchase Bazookas, rocket launchers, tanks, drones, Gatling guns, etc. those are and should remain just in the possession of the military.
There are those that would like to have some of the above mentioned toys and because the government in its stuberness refuses to allow them, they keep screaming " overreaching and gun control!" which is not.

I would like to be part of NRA if the organization would ever stop using scare tactics and lies when approaching people.

And since we are on the subject of gun control, this is how I see it:

-universal background check even if you buy privately-mandatory! If you are in public with a weapon that was not purchased doing that, then the weapon should be confiscated without compensation. Even if we are talking about a hunting rifle, the same del applies.
-no automatic weapons in the possession of civilians
-no military grade weapons for civilians
-gun owners should be periodically subject to a psych test or at least randomly
-all gun owners should prove that they understand and practice safety measure when handling weaponry

And last but not least: no weapon brandishing in public. All weapons should be in carrying cases or concealed while in public. 
That means that all those people that walk around town with a M16 hanging on the shoulder should end up in psych ward or jail or both!

[OldCoyote]

And since we are on the subject of gun control, this is how I see it:

-universal background check even if you buy privately-mandatory! If you are in public with a weapon that was not purchased doing that, then the weapon should be confiscated without compensation. Even if we are talking about a hunting rifle, the same del applies.

How are you going to enforce this?

-no automatic weapons in the possession of civilians

Where are all these automatic weapons that the civilian have?

-no military grade weapons for civilians

Do you mean my WWII bolt action Russian Mosin Nagant rifle?  Or Today's semi auto production look alike?
 
-gun owners should be periodically subject to a psych test or at least randomly

We could extend this into many areas, Drivers for an example.

-all gun owners should prove that they understand and practice safety measure when handling weaponry

Would this mean all the gang bangers would need to line for their education proper handling of their weapon?   How are you going to enforce this?

And last but not least: no weapon brandishing in public. All weapons should be in carrying cases or concealed while in public.
That means that all those people that walk around town with a M16 hanging on the shoulder should end up in psych ward or jail or both!

You feel better that they have the weapon stuck inside of their pants??


With all this said,    Are you going to enforce it like we do drugs, That work so well.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2015 8:56:46 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

With all this said,    Are you going to enforce it like we do drugs, That work so well.

i totally agree.  drugs should be just as legal and available as guns.

[OldCoyote]

Illegal drugs are far more available than guns and NO background check.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2015 18:17:04 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Illegal drugs are far more available than guns and NO background check.

you are not making the case against illegal drugs worse.  you realize that, right?

[OldCoyote]

I am all for the legalization of drugs.  

Legalize it, tax it,  Provide programs for those that want out of an addiction.

[billisonboard]

Jul 29, 2015 9:39:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I am all for the legalization of drugs.  

Legalize it, tax it,  Provide programs for those that want out of an addiction.

I would add: institute quality control standards.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2015 9:48:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 29, 2015 9:39:23 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I am all for the legalization of drugs.  

Legalize it, tax it,  Provide programs for those that want out of an addiction.

I would add: institute quality control standards.

precisely.  most overdoses and fatalities have to do with purity issues.  if junkies knew what dose they were taking, and what purity they were taking, they would rarely OD.

[mroped]

Military grade weaponry means just that!
Does not include weapons that are outdated such as your Mosin Nagant- side note: is it a 9mm?
It means M16, AR15 just to name the most common that after being classified as "unfit" for the military and scheduled to be destroyed, end up in some nut case possession.
That makes it twice illegal!
I hope you understand the difference between an M16 or AR15 made specifically for the military and a "similar" made for civilian use. First would be automatic versus semi, material grade, options etc. 
Automatic weapons- there are plenty of people that have them although they are federally banned for civilian use. Most if not all were obtained illegally!

- no weapons brandishing: concealed weapons if the individual has the proper approvals.
For that mater the Police should be allowed to check your papers on it if you come in public with one. But showing in the public market(or airport like some) with your rifle makes you look stupid not to mention that you scare some people. Yes, it is your second amendment right but how about my right to feel safe? 
Oh, wait, there is no amendment for that but there is a law that allows me to perform a citizens arrest or at least call you names and get straight up in your face telling you dumb shit!

Background check-there is a law in place for it but it is just that our law abiding citizens choose not to abide by it! And all for the fear of having to pay a few dollars in taxes or transfer fees or maybe is it because we might not pass a background check?

Do you still want me to keep explaining why for the rest of the points or you get it?

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2015 11:48:28 GMT -5 mroped said:

Military grade weaponry means just that!
Does not include weapons that are outdated such as your Mosin Nagant- side note: is it a 9mm?
It means M16, AR15 just to name the most common that after being classified as "unfit" for the military and scheduled to be destroyed, end up in some nut case possession.
That makes it twice illegal!
I hope you understand the difference between an M16 or AR15 made specifically for the military and a "similar" made for civilian use. First would be automatic versus semi, material grade, options etc. 
Automatic weapons- there are plenty of people that have them although they are federally banned for civilian use. Most if not all were obtained illegally!

- no weapons brandishing: concealed weapons if the individual has the proper approvals.
For that mater the Police should be allowed to check your papers on it if you come in public with one. But showing in the public market(or airport like some) with your rifle makes you look stupid not to mention that you scare some people. Yes, it is your second amendment right but how about my right to feel safe? 
Oh, wait, there is no amendment for that but there is a law that allows me to perform a citizens arrest or at least call you names and get straight up in your face telling you dumb shit!

Background check-there is a law in place for it but it is just that our law abiding citizens choose not to abide by it! And all for the fear of having to pay a few dollars in taxes or transfer fees or maybe is it because we might not pass a background check?

Do you still want me to keep explaining why for the rest of the points or you get it?

You do not have a "right" to feel safe.  The debate about trigger words and nonsense like that is from people who think they have a "right" to feel safe.  No such right exists.

[mroped]

"...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

does it it ring a bell?
Having someone toting an AR15 around does not make me happy!

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2015 17:57:23 GMT -5 alwaysbeoptimizing said:

Jul 29, 2015 15:31:18 GMT -5 mroped said:

"...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

does it it ring a bell?
Having someone toting an AR15 around does not make me happy!

it's pursuit of happiness, not a guarantee of happiness or even us helping you be happy. The government is just not supposed to get in the way of you being happy.

not unless you are talking about England, since that line appears in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

[OldCoyote]

Here, this going to help the gun problem.  Going to get rid of high capacity magazines.

www.aol.com/article/2015/07/29/los-angeles-leaders-outlaw-high-capacity-gun-magazines/21215488/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D-1405108970

I am sure that this man is going to comply with the new law!

www.google.com/search?q=gangbanger&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS521US523&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=979&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIweKwi9uCxwIVzJqACh2YfgMa&dpr=1#imgrc=XC_TGCch81paTM%3A


 We are all much safer now.

[mroped]

I honestly don't care how many rounds your magazine holds or that you walk around with a gun strapped to your shoulder or on your heap. But that is me.
However we have many that are not feeling so comfortable around people that carry weapons "on display" in public areas. Why? Because they don't know said individual and don't trust him/her either unless said individual wears a military uniform or identifies himself as a LEO.
What are we suppose to do about THOSE people? Turn a blind eye to their fear? Where is the respect for others?

[Deleted]

Jul 30, 2015 16:27:20 GMT -5 mroped said:

I honestly don't care how many rounds your magazine holds or that you walk around with a gun strapped to your shoulder or on your heap. But that is me.
However we have many that are not feeling so comfortable around people that carry weapons "on display" in public areas. Why? Because they don't know said individual and don't trust him/her either unless said individual wears a military uniform or identifies himself as a LEO.
What are we suppose to do about THOSE people? Turn a blind eye to their fear? Where is the respect for others?

What if some people are scared of fast cars?  Should we outlaw them out of respect for others?

[mroped]

I don't believe Jane down the street is afraid of a fast car but if she is all she has to do is stay away from the race track.
Your Chevy Novelle or Mustang or what not are not fast cars. They are called sports cars and people have a legal drivers license obtained throu an exam.
I don't believe that people that are somewhat afraid of guns go to the shooting range.
The streets or airports or train stations are not shooting ranges either.

Aples and pears hickle!

[Deleted]

Jul 30, 2015 21:28:24 GMT -5 mroped said:

I don't believe Jane down the street is afraid of a fast car but if she is all she has to do is stay away from the race track.
Your Chevy Novelle or Mustang or what not are not fast cars. They are called sports cars and people have a legal drivers license obtained throu an exam.
I don't believe that people that are somewhat afraid of guns go to the shooting range.
The streets or airports or train stations are not shooting ranges either.

Aples and pears hickle!

Maybe Jane needs a little information  www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjABahUKEwiUgoyXhIbHAhXFHD4KHW9FCzQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aaafoundation.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2011Unlicensed2Kill.pdf&ei=6cK7VdTpLMW5-AHviq2gAw&usg=AFQjCNFdiIYGVejcR7IfpvpD9qJ0KHKowQ&bvm=bv.99261572,d.cWw

[mroped]

By that logic Diogenes 23 we should all take alligators for pets because they kill fewer people per year than guns.
Or maybe we should let Bratva operate legally and give them some tax credit too while we are at it!
Again, Aples and Pears!

[Deleted]

Jul 30, 2015 21:28:24 GMT -5 mroped said:

I don't believe Jane down the street is afraid of a fast car but if she is all she has to do is stay away from the race track.
Your Chevy Novelle or Mustang or what not are not fast cars. They are called sports cars and people have a legal drivers license obtained throu an exam.
I don't believe that people that are somewhat afraid of guns go to the shooting range.
The streets or airports or train stations are not shooting ranges either.

Aples and pears hickle!

My motorbike will do 150mph.  A chevy nova or Ford Mustang could do well over 100mph.   But that is beside the point.  You understand the point I was trying to make.  Should we regulate things because they are scary to some?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 31, 2015 15:23:37 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Jul 30, 2015 21:28:24 GMT -5 mroped said:

I don't believe Jane down the street is afraid of a fast car but if she is all she has to do is stay away from the race track.
Your Chevy Novelle or Mustang or what not are not fast cars. They are called sports cars and people have a legal drivers license obtained throu an exam.
I don't believe that people that are somewhat afraid of guns go to the shooting range.
The streets or airports or train stations are not shooting ranges either.

Aples and pears hickle!

My motorbike will do 150mph.  A chevy nova or Ford Mustang could do well over 100mph.   But that is beside the point.  You understand the point I was trying to make.  Should we regulate things because they are scary to some?

We do have laws which regulate the speed vehicles may operate on our roads and highways. You can call roads and highways common areas, for use by all drivers.

Speed is not regulated at auto racetracks and visitors are away and (mostly) protected from the racing vehicles and any potential dangers which may and do occur.

[mroped]

Thanks Tenn!