Walker Wins Again: University Tenure Repealed In Budget

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

One of the most critical things conservative leaders have to accomplish is de-funding the Democratic Party's taxpayer money laundering operation which permits them to continue to stay entrenched in power and govern against the will of the people.  This is another beautiful victory- Rauner could learn a thing or two from Mr. Walker.


dailycaller.com/2015/07/11/walker-wins-new-budget-will-repeal-university-tenure/


Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is poised to win a huge victory on education as the state legislature passed a budget that repeals state tenure guarantees while also slashing the budget of the University of Wisconsin.

The victory was enunciated by the acquiescence of the university, which recognized its defeat by passing a spending plan that implements Walker’s cuts. All that remains is for Walker to consummate his victory by affixing his signature to the budget.

The two-year, $73 billion budget approved Thursday makes a host of changes Walker has sought in the realm of education. Wisconsin’s school voucher program is expanded, and $250 million in funding is taken from the University of Wisconsin. That’s down from the $300 million cut Walker originally sought, but still a substantial haircut.

Bowing to the fait accompli, later on Thursday the University of Wisconsin approved its own budget, implementing the big cuts expected of it. About 400 positions will be laid off or will go unfilled, and the university’s budgets no money for pay hikes. The school’s situation is made tougher because the legislature has also frozen in-state tuition.



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[billisonboard]

I see where this is a win for Walker, but why is there an upright American flag label for this thread? 

[djAdvocate]

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:06:48 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Jul 14, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

Actually the WI economy is doing pretty good right now.   

Job ranking article

From 2011 through 2014, the United States posted a 9.3% total gain in private-sector jobs, while Wisconsin registered a 5.7% increase, according to employment numbers released Wednesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figures, based on a quarterly census of American employers, are the most accurate numbers available.

The four-year period coincides with nearly all of the employment recovery following the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

By the end of 2014, at the end of Walker’s first term, Wisconsin had failed to return to its pre-recession employment peak even as the United States as a whole had surpassed its pre-recession levels. In December 2014, Wisconsin had 2,400,139 private-sector jobs, still shy of its 2,453,887 jobs in June 2007, before the economy began to crash. By contrast, the nation exceeded its pre-recession employment peak, with 117.7 million jobs in December 2014 versus 115.5 million in June 2007.

During the four years of Walker’s first term, Wisconsin ranked last among its peer states in the Midwest, a region that shares a common economy of factory cities and farm towns. Wisconsin’s 35th job-creation ranking trailed Michigan (10th), Indiana (18th), Minnesota (23rd), Ohio (25th), Iowa (31st) and Illinois (33rd).

In manufacturing, the state’s largest single employment sector, Wisconsin added 6.3% to its job total during the four-year period (average weekly wage: $1,112) compared to a 5.9% gain for the nation (average wage: $1,268).

Also, in a composite sector of information technology, engineering and bioscience jobs compiled by the Journal Sentinel, the state added 8.1% to its total (average weekly wage: $1,190) compared to 7.0% nationally ($1,810).

In the generally low-paying sector of leisure and hospitality — which includes fast-food workers, cashiers, wait staff, baristas and hotel workers — Wisconsin added 4.3% (paying $319 a week) while the U.S. added 12.8% ($438).

So in other words,  WI didn't create a lot of jobs but the ones they did are considered better jobs. I would rather see less jobs created, with higher wages than adding a bunch of McJobs with low wages. 

i think that is lipstick in a pig, personally.  job creation has sucked in WI.  it is 38th as of 2015, not 35th.

edit: the worst team in the league can still have great players in it.  kudos to WI manufacturers, but it won't save Walker, imo.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:25:04 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Well... I can't be held accountable for our crack reporting and media here in WI  But you haven't commented on the second part of that.   

Are you saying that the state would be better off if their jobs created were 12% min wage service jobs?

of course not.

are you saying that Wisconsin would be worse off if they were 12th in job creation rather than 38th?

[Value Buy]

For some reason Governor Walker attracts the liberal left, just shy of the attention Donald Trump does.
They want to bury him.
Wisconsin, after manufacturing and education does not have much economically, other than a vacation destination.
With the University of Wisconsin and their staff being so far left in thinking and ideology, you would think they would have started some computer/internet businesses, but unfortunately they are too busy protecting their political power base.
Walker just sends them into a fog emotionally and they lose all reasoning processes.
If Walker did not have to deal with all the political sabotage, the state could move forward much faster.
Incidently, I really like the Lt Governor too.

After what I have seen what Walker has had to put up with, I understand Governor Pence's battle with the left in Indiana much better. The left has a scorched Earth policy right now, and is welling to economically kill a state business climate to get the results they want.
When, not if, the Republicans win the 2016 race, we should see some good business policies put in affect across the country.

[billisonboard]

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
When, not if, the Republicans win the 2016 race, ...

Don't doubt you, ever?

[mmhmm]

Jul 14, 2015 12:24:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
When, not if, the Republicans win the 2016 race, ...

Don't doubt you, ever?

And so it begins ...

OMG! May whatever deities happen to be hanging around with not enough to do concentrate their magical energies on the Politics board.  Please! 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:44:02 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

are you saying that Wisconsin would be worse off if they were 12th in job creation rather than 38th?

If the jobs they were creating were low paying ones I can't say that WI would be a whole lot better off.  


I guess it boils down to the return on investment.  If the state focuses on bringing in and/or creating a climate to create jobs,  I would rather the jobs be higher paying,  this in turn creates less demand for social services, while increasing the tax revenue to the state, which can go back into activities to create more jobs.  

So it boils down to... do you spend time, money and effort to bring in the McJobs with little return, or do you work to create better jobs in lower numbers.  In my opinion I think it's better in the long run to go after the higher pay jobs. 

actually, i would argue that Walker has no control over what jobs are created.  that has to do with the business mix.  what matters to most people is if they can get a job or not.  any job will do if you don't have one.

but fine, i get your point.  you think that bad jobs are worse than no jobs.  got it.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

For some reason Governor Walker attracts the liberal xxxx, just shy of the attention Donald Trump does.

some reason?  really?  that is the best you can do?

this is like saying that the people protesting the Iraq war in 2002 were mad for "some reason".

if you don't know the reason, find it out.  if you do, state it.  but don't make it seem like we have no reason other than his haircut or something.

i deleted out left, because i don't consider myself a leftist. 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

After what I have seen what Walker has had to put up with, I understand Governor Pence's battle with the left in Indiana much better.

Walker has not lost an election since 1990, and is the first governor to survive a recall.  put up?  sheesh.

the persecution complexes are unreal.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 12:24:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
When, not if, the Republicans win the 2016 race, ...

Don't doubt you, ever?

a very dubious assertion.  i give them 1:2 odds right now.

[happyhoix]

Jul 14, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 14, 2015 12:24:42 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Don't doubt you, ever?

a very dubious assertion.  i give them 1:2 odds right now.

I don't know how the GOP is going to settle on a front runner, and when they do, it won't be one that the whole party can get behind.

It's a freakin' herd of cats right now.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 11:47:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Wisconsin, after manufacturing and education does not have much economically, other than a vacation destination.y.

Wisconsin is the largest cheese producer in the US by number of producers and second largest by pounds shipped.  or were you including that in "manufacturing"?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:06:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

a very dubious assertion.  i give them 1:2 odds right now.

I don't know how the GOP is going to settle on a front runner, and when they do, it won't be one that the whole party can get behind.

It's a freakin' herd of cats right now.

i think it will settle out in a bit.  Bush is leading the rest of the field by about a 3:2 margin over his closet competitor.  again, this is quite reminiscent of Romney, who never was seriously challenged, if you get down to brass tacks.  the presidency is not really as much a popularity contest as an organizational one.  there are very few campaigns that have the bodies and the dollars to run in all fifty states.  i can count them on one hand.  and that is going to start becoming quite clear as time progresses.

[billisonboard]

Jul 14, 2015 13:09:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

... Bush ...

Guess you didn't get the memo. He isn't the B word, he is Jeb.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:12:04 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:04:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Walker has not lost an election since 1990, and is the first governor to survive a recall.  put up?  sheesh.

the persecution complexes are unreal.

Even you have to agree that the recall and subsequent shenanigans were brutal. If not I suggest you read up on it.   I'm surprised they didn't start arresting and convicting people of jay walking.  Pence's time in the spotlight looks like a dance recital in comparison. 

not really.  it is just politics.  people have opinions.  emotional ones.  they lost.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:14:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:09:11 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

... Bush ...

Guess you didn't get the memo. He isn't the B word, he is Jeb.

yeah.  my bad.

[djAdvocate]

i suspect Walker will be a serious contender, but i think his economic record is pretty poor.  it will be hard for him to RUN ON IT.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 14, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

Whatever problems the Wisconsin economy is having, they are attributable to long term, systemic changes in the broader US, and world economy.  None of the transition out of the government bubble is going to be painless. Fortunately, Walker has kept Wisconsin ahead of the obvious changes. Would you prefer he take the Illinois route? You don't have to answer that, I know you would. You still think Obama is Reagan Lite and California is an economic Panacea.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 14, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

Wisconsin has some serious challenges- a 7.65% and 7.9% respectively top marginal personal and corporate income tax, not a right to work state, and shitty weather.  It's main industries are manufacturing- which is subject to the lagging US and global economies, and the overall long term trends away from domestic manufacturing, crushing environmental regulations, taxes, and of course the job killer of job killers- SCOTUSCare.  The fact is, no one is going to start a business in Wisconsin when Texas and Florida offer better weather, lower labor costs, 0% personal and 5.5% corporate tax rates.  Wisconsin should end their income tax immediately, and drastically cut spending, and reduce public employee payroll through attrition, and new workers that do come on should be offered defined contribution plans like the private sector.

As I'm fond of pointing out- it's going to happen anyway. Why not get and stay ahead of the collapse of the government bubble?


www.alec.org/wp-content/uploads/RSPS-FL-15.pdf

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 14, 2015 13:06:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

a very dubious assertion.  i give them 1:2 odds right now.

I don't know how the GOP is going to settle on a front runner, and when they do, it won't be one that the whole party can get behind.

It's a freakin' herd of cats right now.

I'm hoping Jeb and Christie will do a nice job splitting the RINO vote and we can nominate someone capable of cleaning up this mess.  I'm supporting Rand Paul, personally- but I could vote for Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, and maybe- just maybe possibly Trump.  I will not, OTOH, ever vote for Jeb, Christie, Huckabee, or Santorum.

[The Captain]

Jul 14, 2015 13:50:34 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 14, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

Wisconsin has some serious challenges- a 7.65% and 7.9% respectively top marginal personal and corporate income tax, not a right to work state, and shitty weather.  It's main industries are manufacturing- which is subject to the lagging US and global economies, and the overall long term trends away from domestic manufacturing, crushing environmental regulations, taxes, and of course the job killer of job killers- SCOTUSCare.  The fact is, no one is going to start a business in Wisconsin when Texas and Florida offer better weather, lower labor costs, 0% personal and 5.5% corporate tax rates.  Wisconsin should end their income tax immediately, and drastically cut spending, and reduce public employee payroll through attrition, and new workers that do come on should be offered defined contribution plans like the private sector.

As I'm fond of pointing out- it's going to happen anyway. Why not get and stay ahead of the collapse of the government bubble?


www.alec.org/wp-content/uploads/RSPS-FL-15.pdf

Florida has an intangibles tax on certain balance sheet items that is pretty hefty. It makes doing business efficiently difficult at times.

The Texas gross margins tax is brutal.  It's not a pure income tax but a blended receipts tax.  And Texas Franchise tax audits are the stuff of nightmares AND it's a unitary state.

You need to consider the overall tax situation, not just the income taxes.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:27:21 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 14, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

having killed the Wisconsin economy, he is moving on to kill the best school system in the US.  jolly good.

Whatever problems the Wisconsin economy is having, they are attributable to long term, systemic changes in the broader US, and world economy.

that would make more sense, were Wisconsin not 38th in the US in job growth.  unless you are claiming that Wisconsin is somehow more affected than other states in the US by the "systemic changes ..... and world economy".

it is interesting to see hyper-partisans stretch Walker's record to the breaking point.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:22:10 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:15:18 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not really.  it is just politics.  people have opinions.  emotional ones.  they lost.

In all seriousness, without snark.  What do you know about the JD investigation.   It has ruined people's lives for nothing more than sending an email on company time.   Houses were invaded and searched in the middle of the night with warrants. Millions of dollars were/are still being spent on it. it went on over a 4 year period (two separate 'investigations')

i don't consider you a very snarky poster.  it is one of the things i like about you.  i don't know ANYTHING about the JD investigation.  or, perhaps i should say, i don't recognize it by name.

It was unprecedented.  To put it into perspective Watergate only took 2 years. 

Watergate would have gone on a lot longer if Nixon had not resigned.  but i get your point.

how long did Whitewater go on?

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 13:53:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:06:45 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I don't know how the GOP is going to settle on a front runner, and when they do, it won't be one that the whole party can get behind.

It's a freakin' herd of cats right now.

I'm hoping Jeb and Christie will do a nice job splitting the RINO vote and we can nominate someone capable of cleaning up this mess.  I'm supporting Rand Paul, personally- but I could vote for Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson, and maybe- just maybe possibly Trump.  I will not, OTOH, ever vote for Jeb, Christie, Huckabee, or Santorum.

i think you can forget about Christie.  right now he is not even making the top 10.  so you had better hope someone else splits Jeb's vote.  Walker has the best shot, imo.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 14, 2015 14:34:10 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:50:34 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Wisconsin has some serious challenges- a 7.65% and 7.9% respectively top marginal personal and corporate income tax, not a right to work state, and shitty weather.  It's main industries are manufacturing- which is subject to the lagging US and global economies, and the overall long term trends away from domestic manufacturing, crushing environmental regulations, taxes, and of course the job killer of job killers- SCOTUSCare.  The fact is, no one is going to start a business in Wisconsin when Texas and Florida offer better weather, lower labor costs, 0% personal and 5.5% corporate tax rates.  Wisconsin should end their income tax immediately, and drastically cut spending, and reduce public employee payroll through attrition, and new workers that do come on should be offered defined contribution plans like the private sector.

As I'm fond of pointing out- it's going to happen anyway. Why not get and stay ahead of the collapse of the government bubble?


www.alec.org/wp-content/uploads/RSPS-FL-15.pdf

Florida has an intangibles tax on certain balance sheet items that is pretty hefty. It makes doing business efficiently difficult at times.

The Texas gross margins tax is brutal.  It's not a pure income tax but a blended receipts tax.  And Texas Franchise tax audits are the stuff of nightmares AND it's a unitary state.

You need to consider the overall tax situation, not just the income taxes.

Agreed.  Florida is still friendlier than Wisconsin.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 14, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 14, 2015 13:27:21 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Whatever problems the Wisconsin economy is having, they are attributable to long term, systemic changes in the broader US, and world economy.

that would make more sense, were Wisconsin not 38th in the US in job growth.  unless you are claiming that Wisconsin is somehow more affected than other states in the US by the "systemic changes ..... and world economy".

it is interesting to see hyper-partisans stretch Walker's record to the breaking point.

And btw- "hyper-partisan" is hyperbole.  It diminishes any minor valid points you may have made.  The fact of the matter is that Wisconsin is moving in the right direction.  Job "growth" can be misleading. If you've got a state that's already 20th in population, with an absolute domestic migration between 2004 - 2013 of 57,000 people and  your population is just over 5 million- you're fortunate if you have any job growth.  Then there's the whole job growth calculation which is problematic to begin with-- if you read another of my threads, you'd know real unemployment is upwards of 42%.  www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/07/02

[Tennesseer]

Jul 14, 2015 16:24:42 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 14, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that would make more sense, were Wisconsin not 38th in the US in job growth.  unless you are claiming that Wisconsin is somehow more affected than other states in the US by the "systemic changes ..... and world economy".

it is interesting to see hyper-partisans stretch Walker's record to the breaking point.

And btw- "hyper-partisan" is hyperbole.  It diminishes any minor valid points you may have made.  The fact of the matter is that Wisconsin is moving in the right direction.  Job "growth" can be misleading. If you've got a state that's already 20th in population, with an absolute domestic migration between 2004 - 2013 of 57,000 people and  your population is just over 5 million- you're fortunate if you have any job growth.  Then there's the whole job growth calculation which is problematic to begin with-- if you read another of my threads, you'd know real unemployment is upwards of 42%.  www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/07/02

need paper towel to wipe coffee off of my computer monitor

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2015 14:50:45 GMT -5 @sroo4 said:

Jul 14, 2015 14:40:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Watergate would have gone on a lot longer if Nixon had not resigned.  but i get your point.

how long did Whitewater go on?

Sorry I was abbreviating.  It's the Walker John Doe (another name for Grand Jury) investigation. 

Not sure how long whitewater went on.. that thing had more twists and turns than a roller coaster, but point taken,  I think it was in the 2-3 year range. 

i think it was in the 4-6 year range.  but i am going to take the old fart's excuse and say i don't precisely recall.